NATION

PASSWORD

London is offering Taliban a ceasefire

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Hairless Kitten II
Senator
 
Posts: 4198
Founded: Jun 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

London is offering Taliban a ceasefire

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:42 am

That's what Stern (Germany) is saying.

London will accept Quetta Schura and will stop all going on fights, it is also offering amnesty for all Taliban members.
In return they demand a ceasefire and the Taliban should break all relationships with al-Qaida.

I have mixed feelings with this one. Maybe it's a demonstration of realpolitik and is this one of the few solutions left.

However, on the long-term it means that we sacrifice the Afghan people.

Links:
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/21391/150 ... r_stern_de
http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/str ... 20502.html
Last edited by Hairless Kitten II on Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:47 am, edited 1 time in total.

• Vote for The NationStates Razzies 2009
• Any similarities with reality is a mere coincidence
• No mods were harmed during the making of this posting
• Protégez les enfants: ne leur faites pas respirer votre commentaires`
• Quand tous les dégoûtés seront partis, il ne restera plus que les dégoûtants
• Please report me at the Moderation Section because I'm spoiling your day

User avatar
The Norse Hordes
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1269
Founded: Sep 08, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby The Norse Hordes » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:46 am

Bad on London.
Neesika wrote:Spongebob Squarepants turned my daughters into faggots.

Economic Left/Right: -9.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

User avatar
Vetok
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1986
Founded: Oct 24, 2009
Democratic Socialists

Postby Vetok » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:46 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:That's what Stern (Germany) is saying.

London will accept Quetta Schura and will stop all going on fights, it is also offering amnesty for all Taliban members.
In return they demand a ceasefire and the Taliban should break all relationships with al-Qaida.

http://www.presseportal.de/pm/21391/150 ... r_stern_de

I have mixed feelings with this one. Maybe it's a demonstration of realpolitik and is this one of the few solutions left.

However, on the long-term it means that we sacrifice the Afghan people.


Know where I can find a good translator?

User avatar
Lord Tothe
Minister
 
Posts: 2632
Founded: Dec 19, 2007
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Lord Tothe » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:48 am

Arm the Afghan people so they can defend themselves against Taliban aggression. Move all US, UK, and other NATO forces out. Let the consequences play out. Our meddling isn't doing anything, and our puppet government there is worthless anyway.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:[...] TLDR; welcome to the internet. Bicker or GTFO.
"Why is self-control, autonomy, such a threat to authority? Because the person who controls himself, who is his own master, has no need for an authority to be his master. This, then, renders authority unemployed. What is he to do if he cannot control others? To be sure, he could mind his own business. But that is a fatuous answer, for those who are satisfied to mind their own business do not aspire to become authorities." ~ Thomas Szasz

User avatar
Skeptikosia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 772
Founded: Sep 17, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Skeptikosia » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:49 am

Vetok wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:That's what Stern (Germany) is saying.

London will accept Quetta Schura and will stop all going on fights, it is also offering amnesty for all Taliban members.
In return they demand a ceasefire and the Taliban should break all relationships with al-Qaida.

http://www.presseportal.de/pm/21391/150 ... r_stern_de

I have mixed feelings with this one. Maybe it's a demonstration of realpolitik and is this one of the few solutions left.

However, on the long-term it means that we sacrifice the Afghan people.


Know where I can find a good translator?


"Thank you sir may I have another!"

Or google "dhimmitude".
"(DISCLAIMER: A Statement of a problem is not an endorsement of it, nor is it the solution to it. But the solution cannot be found with the statement, for unless a problem is stated, who is to say that there is one? And if there is, what is it? I'm stating here.)" The Enlightened Caveman

"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." Louis D. Brandeis

Economic Left/Right: 4.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

User avatar
Hairless Kitten II
Senator
 
Posts: 4198
Founded: Jun 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:49 am

Vetok wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:That's what Stern (Germany) is saying.

London will accept Quetta Schura and will stop all going on fights, it is also offering amnesty for all Taliban members.
In return they demand a ceasefire and the Taliban should break all relationships with al-Qaida.

http://www.presseportal.de/pm/21391/150 ... r_stern_de

I have mixed feelings with this one. Maybe it's a demonstration of realpolitik and is this one of the few solutions left.

However, on the long-term it means that we sacrifice the Afghan people.


Know where I can find a good translator?


Try this link:

http://translate.google.be/translate?pr ... ry_state0=

• Vote for The NationStates Razzies 2009
• Any similarities with reality is a mere coincidence
• No mods were harmed during the making of this posting
• Protégez les enfants: ne leur faites pas respirer votre commentaires`
• Quand tous les dégoûtés seront partis, il ne restera plus que les dégoûtants
• Please report me at the Moderation Section because I'm spoiling your day

User avatar
Knorway
Secretary
 
Posts: 39
Founded: Nov 06, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Knorway » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:50 am

The British Press is saying nothing about this, so I'm doubting the veracity of the thread title.

User avatar
The Norse Hordes
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1269
Founded: Sep 08, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby The Norse Hordes » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:51 am

Knorway wrote:The British Press is saying nothing about this, so I'm doubting the veracity of the thread title.




Im inclined to agree if thats the case.
Neesika wrote:Spongebob Squarepants turned my daughters into faggots.

Economic Left/Right: -9.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

User avatar
EvilDarkMagicians
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13456
Founded: Jul 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:52 am

Hmmmmmm.

User avatar
Ordo Mallus
Diplomat
 
Posts: 641
Founded: Aug 31, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Ordo Mallus » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:54 am

I sence Epic Fail.
A small mind is easily filled with faith.

“It is only the dead who have seen the end of war” Plato

User avatar
Hairless Kitten II
Senator
 
Posts: 4198
Founded: Jun 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:57 am

The Norse Hordes wrote:
Knorway wrote:The British Press is saying nothing about this, so I'm doubting the veracity of the thread title.




Im inclined to agree if thats the case.


Of course, we can only trust British press and not some international famous magazine as Stern.

Belgian newspapers brought the news as well...

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail. ... 091109_065
Last edited by Hairless Kitten II on Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:05 pm, edited 3 times in total.

• Vote for The NationStates Razzies 2009
• Any similarities with reality is a mere coincidence
• No mods were harmed during the making of this posting
• Protégez les enfants: ne leur faites pas respirer votre commentaires`
• Quand tous les dégoûtés seront partis, il ne restera plus que les dégoûtants
• Please report me at the Moderation Section because I'm spoiling your day

User avatar
Woolio
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 421
Founded: Nov 06, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Woolio » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:07 pm

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
The Norse Hordes wrote:
Knorway wrote:The British Press is saying nothing about this, so I'm doubting the veracity of the thread title.




Im inclined to agree if thats the case.


Of course, we can only trust British press and not some international famous magazine as Stern.

Belgian newspapers brought the news as well...

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail. ... 091109_065


You're on a majority English speaking forum and wonder why people tend not to trust articles they can't read. Interesting.

User avatar
Andaluciae
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5766
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Andaluciae » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:08 pm

First off, the article is not claiming that the Brits are offering the Talib's a ceasefire. It's claiming that the Brown government is encouraging Karzai to accept some members of the Taliban into his government.

Secondly, the stern.de article is extremely short on sources. Their claims are largely based on a photo of a partial document whose veracity has yet to be confirmed.

Thirdly, stern.de has more delightful boobage on their front page than playboy.com.

Some other sources on the matter:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... th-Taliban

Oh, wait, I can't find anything about it anywhere else. I'd expect something like this would be big damn news. It's absence makes me think poor reporting and question the veracity of stern.de.

At least on matters not pertaining to boobs.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

User avatar
Hairless Kitten II
Senator
 
Posts: 4198
Founded: Jun 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:11 pm

Woolio wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
The Norse Hordes wrote:
Knorway wrote:The British Press is saying nothing about this, so I'm doubting the veracity of the thread title.




Im inclined to agree if thats the case.


Of course, we can only trust British press and not some international famous magazine as Stern.

Belgian newspapers brought the news as well...

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail. ... 091109_065


You're on a majority English speaking forum and wonder why people tend not to trust articles they can't read. Interesting.


There are a lot online free translators available. They are not perfect, but you'll be able to understand about what they are talking.

• Vote for The NationStates Razzies 2009
• Any similarities with reality is a mere coincidence
• No mods were harmed during the making of this posting
• Protégez les enfants: ne leur faites pas respirer votre commentaires`
• Quand tous les dégoûtés seront partis, il ne restera plus que les dégoûtants
• Please report me at the Moderation Section because I'm spoiling your day

User avatar
Woolio
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 421
Founded: Nov 06, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Woolio » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:14 pm

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
There are a lot online free translators available. They are not perfect, but you'll be able to understand about what they are talking.


I've used them before and a lot is lost in the translation. Thanks but no thanks

User avatar
Andaluciae
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5766
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Andaluciae » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:14 pm

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
The Norse Hordes wrote:
Knorway wrote:The British Press is saying nothing about this, so I'm doubting the veracity of the thread title.




Im inclined to agree if thats the case.


Of course, we can only trust British press and not some international famous magazine as Stern.

Belgian newspapers brought the news as well...

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail. ... 091109_065


Yeah, you're lovely quality Belgian newspaper. Haven't we been over this, like, three times?

As far as Stern, this is a magazine known for such delightful yellow journalism as front page articles including: "We had an abortion!", "I am a masochist" and the delightful "Hitler Diaries" incident, wherein the diaries where shortly found to be totally fraudulent.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

User avatar
Hairless Kitten II
Senator
 
Posts: 4198
Founded: Jun 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:20 pm

Andaluciae wrote:First off, the article is not claiming that the Brits are offering the Talib's a ceasefire. It's claiming that the Brown government is encouraging Karzai to accept some members of the Taliban into his government.

Secondly, the stern.de article is extremely short on sources. Their claims are largely based on a photo of a partial document whose veracity has yet to be confirmed.

Thirdly, stern.de has more delightful boobage on their front page than playboy.com.

Some other sources on the matter:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... th-Taliban

Oh, wait, I can't find anything about it anywhere else. I'd expect something like this would be big damn news. It's absence makes me think poor reporting and question the veracity of stern.de.

At least on matters not pertaining to boobs.


Those 'some' members are not only the small fishes and their local commanders, but also the top commanders and the members of the shadow governments, thus rather 'all'.

• Vote for The NationStates Razzies 2009
• Any similarities with reality is a mere coincidence
• No mods were harmed during the making of this posting
• Protégez les enfants: ne leur faites pas respirer votre commentaires`
• Quand tous les dégoûtés seront partis, il ne restera plus que les dégoûtants
• Please report me at the Moderation Section because I'm spoiling your day

User avatar
Andaluciae
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5766
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Andaluciae » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:21 pm

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:First off, the article is not claiming that the Brits are offering the Talib's a ceasefire. It's claiming that the Brown government is encouraging Karzai to accept some members of the Taliban into his government.

Secondly, the stern.de article is extremely short on sources. Their claims are largely based on a photo of a partial document whose veracity has yet to be confirmed.

Thirdly, stern.de has more delightful boobage on their front page than playboy.com.

Some other sources on the matter:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... th-Taliban

Oh, wait, I can't find anything about it anywhere else. I'd expect something like this would be big damn news. It's absence makes me think poor reporting and question the veracity of stern.de.

At least on matters not pertaining to boobs.


Those 'some' members are not only the small fishes and their local commanders, but also the top commanders and the members of the shadow governments, thus rather 'all'.


Once again, this isn't London offering the Taliban a ceasefire, this is the Brits encouraging the Afghan government to consider it.

Second, the veracity of the claim has yet to be proven. Until then, I am skeptical.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

User avatar
Yootopia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8410
Founded: Dec 28, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby Yootopia » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:22 pm

It's a good idea. Worked in Malaya, for one thing.
End the Modigarchy now.

User avatar
Hairless Kitten II
Senator
 
Posts: 4198
Founded: Jun 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:22 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
The Norse Hordes wrote:
Knorway wrote:The British Press is saying nothing about this, so I'm doubting the veracity of the thread title.




Im inclined to agree if thats the case.


Of course, we can only trust British press and not some international famous magazine as Stern.

Belgian newspapers brought the news as well...

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail. ... 091109_065


Yeah, you're lovely quality Belgian newspaper. Haven't we been over this, like, three times?

As far as Stern, this is a magazine known for such delightful yellow journalism as front page articles including: "We had an abortion!", "I am a masochist" and the delightful "Hitler Diaries" incident, wherein the diaries where shortly found to be totally fraudulent.


Indeed. I know many newspapers that claimed that there were WMDs in Iraq. Mostly it were American and British ones. :)

Newspapers make mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they do it all the time.

• Vote for The NationStates Razzies 2009
• Any similarities with reality is a mere coincidence
• No mods were harmed during the making of this posting
• Protégez les enfants: ne leur faites pas respirer votre commentaires`
• Quand tous les dégoûtés seront partis, il ne restera plus que les dégoûtants
• Please report me at the Moderation Section because I'm spoiling your day

User avatar
Woolio
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 421
Founded: Nov 06, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Woolio » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:24 pm

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Indeed. I know many newspapers that claimed that there were WMDs in Iraq. Mostly it were American and British ones. :)

Newspapers make mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they do it all the time.


Newspapers reported the governments claims. T'is a very different thing to making up news

User avatar
Hairless Kitten II
Senator
 
Posts: 4198
Founded: Jun 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:28 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:First off, the article is not claiming that the Brits are offering the Talib's a ceasefire. It's claiming that the Brown government is encouraging Karzai to accept some members of the Taliban into his government.

Secondly, the stern.de article is extremely short on sources. Their claims are largely based on a photo of a partial document whose veracity has yet to be confirmed.

Thirdly, stern.de has more delightful boobage on their front page than playboy.com.

Some other sources on the matter:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/ ... th-Taliban

Oh, wait, I can't find anything about it anywhere else. I'd expect something like this would be big damn news. It's absence makes me think poor reporting and question the veracity of stern.de.

At least on matters not pertaining to boobs.


Those 'some' members are not only the small fishes and their local commanders, but also the top commanders and the members of the shadow governments, thus rather 'all'.


Once again, this isn't London offering the Taliban a ceasefire, this is the Brits encouraging the Afghan government to consider it.

Second, the veracity of the claim has yet to be proven. Until then, I am skeptical.


According Stern it's London who's pushing and it's London who's designing the modalities of the ceasefire. If Stern is correct then London is the puppet master.

I think odds are high that the article is correct since Stern published a part of the secret memo.

• Vote for The NationStates Razzies 2009
• Any similarities with reality is a mere coincidence
• No mods were harmed during the making of this posting
• Protégez les enfants: ne leur faites pas respirer votre commentaires`
• Quand tous les dégoûtés seront partis, il ne restera plus que les dégoûtants
• Please report me at the Moderation Section because I'm spoiling your day

User avatar
Hairless Kitten II
Senator
 
Posts: 4198
Founded: Jun 30, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:31 pm

Woolio wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Indeed. I know many newspapers that claimed that there were WMDs in Iraq. Mostly it were American and British ones. :)

Newspapers make mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they do it all the time.


Newspapers reported the governments claims. T'is a very different thing to making up news


Stern is having the secret memo, so...

• Vote for The NationStates Razzies 2009
• Any similarities with reality is a mere coincidence
• No mods were harmed during the making of this posting
• Protégez les enfants: ne leur faites pas respirer votre commentaires`
• Quand tous les dégoûtés seront partis, il ne restera plus que les dégoûtants
• Please report me at the Moderation Section because I'm spoiling your day

User avatar
Call to power
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6908
Founded: Apr 13, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby Call to power » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:34 pm

we've been trying to do something like this for awhile now always goes tits up and a ton of squaddies get to die for it (like when the US ordered in air strikes without British authorization because we had a "cease fire" ie Terrys shoot, goodies beg for mercy)

Lord Tothe wrote:Arm the Afghan people so they can defend themselves against Taliban aggression. Move all US, UK, and other NATO forces out. Let the consequences play out. Our meddling isn't doing anything, and our puppet government there is worthless anyway.


that worked perfectly the last time we tried it and the Taliban just moved right in

tell you what how about we heavily arm all British towns and shut down the police what could possibly go wrong?
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

Tubbsalot wrote:replace my opinions with CtP's.


User avatar
Woolio
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 421
Founded: Nov 06, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Woolio » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:38 pm

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Woolio wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Indeed. I know many newspapers that claimed that there were WMDs in Iraq. Mostly it were American and British ones. :)

Newspapers make mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they do it all the time.


Newspapers reported the governments claims. T'is a very different thing to making up news


Stern is having the secret memo, so...


They're claiming an unverified document is a secret memo originating from a government source.

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Belogorod, Continental Free States, Margraviate of Moravia, Norse Inuit Union, Notanam, Senkaku, Stellar Colonies, Upper Ireland, Washington-Columbia, Xind

Advertisement

Remove ads