Where is this all coming from? 1984, CCTV, Police State? O_O

[Fartsniffage]

Brits LOVE to complain. Oh god, we grumble from morning to night... but we don't mean it.

When we mean it, it gets really obvious, really fast, and the Poll Tax gets dropped (or whatever it might happen to be).

The 'troubling ramification' is that some people have started attaching some significance to it, now that we live in a worldwide media age. There is none. It's just bellyaching.

This is something I haven't done for quite a while.

I agree with GnI.

[Skeptikosia]

Any country where you have to develop this sort of thing is answer enough.

What is that O_O

The picture is a link to an article.

It blinds IR cameras.

[South Lorenya]

Keep in mind that EVERY decision will have some loonies (no, not OMRLP members, strangely enough...) protesting.

Politician: Once again, it's not legal to buy an M1 Abrams without going through official channels.
Protester: But imagine how cool it would be going down the highway!

Politician: For security reasons, nuclear launch codes will not be made public.
Protestor: Dude! Information like, totally wants to be free!

Politician: If your team is defeated at the world cup, please do not follow Thich Quang Duc's example.
Protestor: Those claims that it's painful are totally overrated, ya pansy!

[EvilDarkMagicians]

The problem is not the NHS, which should just provide healthcare, it is the interest groups and think tanks who persuade the government that it is its duty to take preventative measures rather than just heal the sick.

Yes. Why bother preventing obesity in the first place, when we can just give everyone obscenely expensive heart transplants and quadruple bypasses.

You nanny-state alarmists are a bunch of crackpots... goodness, the government is providing affordable healthcare for all and reminding us to eat healthy! THIS IS AN UNACCEPTABLE INTRUSION INTO THE RIGHTS OF THE POPULACE ARGHGAHGRHAGHGASDKHLASD

And honestly, the cameras are a bit odd (and I suspect highly ineffective) but it's not like your bedroom is bristling with cameras. I don't see the big deal. Is it somehow worse when people see you through a camera rather than in person?

The cameras are fine. It is stuff like this that irks me.

What has that video got to do with anything.

[Manango]

Brits LOVE to complain. Oh god, we grumble from morning to night... but we don't mean it.

When we mean it, it gets really obvious, really fast, and the Poll Tax gets dropped (or whatever it might happen to be).

The 'troubling ramification' is that some people have started attaching some significance to it, now that we live in a worldwide media age. There is none. It's just bellyaching.

Complaining is important. It helps the evolution of our state. It is a sad moment when you can think of nothing that needs improving.

[Yootopia]

Brits LOVE to complain. Oh god, we grumble from morning to night... but we don't mean it.

When we mean it, it gets really obvious, really fast, and the Poll Tax gets dropped (or whatever it might happen to be).

The 'troubling ramification' is that some people have started attaching some significance to it, now that we live in a worldwide media age. There is none. It's just bellyaching.

Complaining is important. It helps the evolution of our state. It is a sad moment when you can think of nothing that needs improving.

I dunno, I usually complain about things like the weather, which doesn't help the state all that much.

[LOL ANARCHY NUBZ]

Servaylunce r t3h ebil!

But seriously, there's too much.

[Woolio]

Servaylunce r t3h ebil!

But seriously, there's too much.

What's the optimum level then if the current situation is "too much" for you

[Almagarde]

I've developed a Blackhole weapon...you get a car battery and a old style sealed beam headlight for a car and sith the Battery in a carry frame with the headlight mounted like a heavy Jim Beam torch, any you pop off to Parliament and all gather in the dark outside in the street and turn on the spotlights at the same time.

Because i am being exposed to black hole radiation to exterminate my commonwealth where every citizen must vote directly and regularly, I transfer that event shape to you and your Torch. You then create a black hole where the torch beam ceases to exist theyrby pulling the entire parliament building into a black hole in Earth Atmosphere...of course then you have to get all the scientists who work for the Eurofacist state in their black hole project because they aere attempting to do the same to you.

[Almagarde]

I was under the impression that the UK, the USA, Canada, and Australia worked together to spy on our emails, mobile phone calls, internet use etc..

Now I am assuming that this group of nations are not just monitoring the UK. It isn't just about speed cameras and cameras watching drunks in city centres.

You are not suppoed to know about Echelon...

[Greater Americania]

Why do people hold these opinions?
Why do you hold them, what is happening that I am so oblivious to?
Explain.

Now son, I think it's time we have a talk about a certain group of people called 'Libertarians'...

[Skeptikosia]

Servaylunce r t3h ebil!

But seriously, there's too much.

Surveillance is inevitable I believe. But I'm of the opinion that the Brin model would be acceptable.

http://www.davidbrin.com/transparent.htm

[Natapoc]

You know the one good thing about CCTV? If you were hurt by the cops and your lawyer is fast enough to get to the tapes before the cops "lose them" you can prove your innocence and that the cop is lying. (yes if a cop hurts you often you have to prove you are innocent or they may put you in jail for having put them in the difficult situation of explaining why they hurt you...)

If the lighting was really good and if all the angles were covered from the cameras to prove you did not instigate it from an area outside of the cameras view and if the judge allows the footage to be shown and if it can be verified to be unmodified there is a really good chance that the case against you will be dropped. As a bonus there is a very small chance the cop may be charged for hurting you for no reason if so he or she may be demoted or go on a vacation for a couple days.

[Skeptikosia]

You know the one good thing about CCTV? If you were hurt by the cops and your lawyer is fast enough to get to the tapes before the cops "lose them" you can prove your innocence and that the cop is lying. (yes if a cop hurts you often you have to prove you are innocent or they may put you in jail for having put them in the difficult situation of explaining why they hurt you...)

If the lighting was really good and if all the angles were covered from the cameras to prove you did not instigate it from an area outside of the cameras view and if the judge allows the footage to be shown and if it can be verified to be unmodified there is a really good chance that the case against you will be dropped. As a bonus there is a very small chance the cop may be charged for hurting you for no reason if so he or she may be demoted or go on a vacation for a couple days.

See my post above.

If all the camera feeds are public, what Big Brother sees, Little Brother sees.

[The Halseyist Faction]

*returns to derail the thread*

You know it would be amusing to put the negative evidence fromthis thread into the British verses American thread?

But to the point, we are British, we -DO- like to complain about everything. And we are heading towards a dubious line.We do have an od government, and a -Lot- of survilence, and some creepy anti-terrorist laws the local council uses to spy on people who don't pay their taxes

But we're not gone. Yet.

[Urzamalandi]

CCTV evidence in the UK is only applicable if signs are up notifying people they are being recorded and the recordings are not publicly viewable. If it is to be used in a criminal or civil trial any innocent parties have to be digitally removed.

CCTV doesn't really solve any crimes either, most of the time the picture quality is too low for positive identification. I'm sure the police wish they had the tech CSI does, it'd make their jobs alot easier...

cue CSI jpeg/png....

[Fiduses and Diuses]

Becaz thez arz montz z interz

[Dyakovo]

most people would like to believe I'm a knife welding hoody.

You're not?!?

[Skeptikosia]

most people would like to believe I'm a knife welding hoody.

I find that hard to believe.

[Fredrikshamn]

are the british people willing to sacrifice their personal space and privacy in the name of security and safty? just a friendly question idk... I dont live there...

...any thoughts???

[Angleter]

are the british people willing to sacrifice their personal space and privacy in the name of security and safty? just a friendly question idk... I dont live there...

...any thoughts???

We aren't really that keen on it, but the government's doing it anyway. It makes them feel powerful and allows them to accuse the Tories of being soft on crime.

[Conserative Morality]

Politician: Once again, it's not legal to buy an M1 Abrams without going through official channels.
Protester: But imagine how cool it would be going down the highway!

I see you haven't considered how great it would be for escaping those annoying little 'traffic jams' with only a major loss in human life.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

most people would like to believe I'm a knife welding hoody.

I find that hard to believe.

Why.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

are the british people willing to sacrifice their personal space and privacy in the name of security and safty? just a friendly question idk... I dont live there...

...any thoughts???

Yes.
Well, kind of but were losing our personal space and privacy without even knowing it.

[Red Blooded Uhmericuh]

I heard people mention time and time again that the U.K is:

Slowly slipping into a police state.

Being watched by CCTV all the time

and

Becoming like what George Orwell predicted for 1984

Why do people hold these opinions?
Why do you hold them, what is happening that I am so oblivious to?
Explain.

Because the Anti-Christ Illuminati NWO is conspiring with Obama to make the world a globalist regime of totalitarinosity! Its true, Glenn Beck said it, it must be true!