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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:37 pm

Skeptikosia wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:most people would like to believe I'm a knife welding hoody. :(


I find that hard to believe.


Why.


Because here on NS you sound just like every other socialist sissy I've ever met.

Not a one of them had the stones to stand up for their beliefs. They'd only ever stand up for something if there was a faceless mob around that shared their opinion, and only then after somebody told them what to do or what opinion to hold.

:rofl:
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:41 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Woolio wrote:You're in a public space. Are you claiming then that a police officer wouldn't be allowed to look at you in the street for fear of breaching this 'right' you've decided you have? Would I be allowed to look at you?


Yes. Though you don't record my every move though do you?
Or do you? O_O

No, I'm concentrating on MHiJ for now...
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Postby Skeptikosia » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:12 pm

Red Blooded Uhmericuh wrote:
Mykola wrote:Well Britain I just have one thing so say to you guys and your police state.

America is right behind you.

I hope its a God fearing Police state. That would be the bees knees.


Yeah, theocracy is such an awesome idea. I wonder why no one has tried it?
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Postby Skeptikosia » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:14 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:most people would like to believe I'm a knife welding hoody. :(


I find that hard to believe.


Why.


Because here on NS you sound just like every other socialist sissy I've ever met.

Not a one of them had the stones to stand up for their beliefs. They'd only ever stand up for something if there was a faceless mob around that shared their opinion, and only then after somebody told them what to do or what opinion to hold.


*cough cough* tea party *cough*


Those are new, I'm waiting to see how people settle out. If they keep the sheeple mentality, I'll call them out on it as well.

The sissies have been doing this since the 60's and their still the same old sissies.


Social unrest movements are, by their very nature, communal.


True enough, but one mindset appears to be run by a bunch of people who want their lives run for them, and the other is, at least ostensibly, about wanting to be left alone.
"(DISCLAIMER: A Statement of a problem is not an endorsement of it, nor is it the solution to it. But the solution cannot be found with the statement, for unless a problem is stated, who is to say that there is one? And if there is, what is it? I'm stating here.)" The Enlightened Caveman

"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." Louis D. Brandeis

Economic Left/Right: 4.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:32 pm

Skeptikosia wrote:True enough, but one mindset appears to be run by a bunch of people who want their lives run for them, and the other is, at least ostensibly, about wanting to be left alone.


If you're going to misrepresent both perspectives to avoid reality, why would I bother addressing it?

The people you're referring to as 'socialists' don't want other people thinking for them any more than anyone else does - they want a community that offers support.

The people you're referring to as 'the other' don't want to be left alone, they don't want to support their community.

Personally - I'll take socialists over unpatriotic parasites any day.
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Postby Skeptikosia » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:18 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:True enough, but one mindset appears to be run by a bunch of people who want their lives run for them, and the other is, at least ostensibly, about wanting to be left alone.


If you're going to misrepresent both perspectives to avoid reality, why would I bother addressing it?

The people you're referring to as 'socialists' don't want other people thinking for them any more than anyone else does - they want a community that offers support.

The people you're referring to as 'the other' don't want to be left alone, they don't want to support their community.

Personally - I'll take socialists over unpatriotic parasites any day.


You and I appear to have diametrically opposing views regarding the nature of the primary positions in the discussion at hand.

I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.
"(DISCLAIMER: A Statement of a problem is not an endorsement of it, nor is it the solution to it. But the solution cannot be found with the statement, for unless a problem is stated, who is to say that there is one? And if there is, what is it? I'm stating here.)" The Enlightened Caveman

"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." Louis D. Brandeis

Economic Left/Right: 4.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:24 pm

Skeptikosia wrote:I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.


You realise that your first claim and your second claim are mutually exclusive, yes?
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Postby Skeptikosia » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:26 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.


You realise that your first claim and your second claim are mutually exclusive, yes?


How so?
"(DISCLAIMER: A Statement of a problem is not an endorsement of it, nor is it the solution to it. But the solution cannot be found with the statement, for unless a problem is stated, who is to say that there is one? And if there is, what is it? I'm stating here.)" The Enlightened Caveman

"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." Louis D. Brandeis

Economic Left/Right: 4.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:33 pm

Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.


You realise that your first claim and your second claim are mutually exclusive, yes?


How so?


You claimed you didn't misrepresent either side, and then went straight on to misrepresent one side?
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Postby Skeptikosia » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:34 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.


You realise that your first claim and your second claim are mutually exclusive, yes?


How so?


You claimed you didn't misrepresent either side, and then went straight on to misrepresent one side?


Ah...

I disagree.
"(DISCLAIMER: A Statement of a problem is not an endorsement of it, nor is it the solution to it. But the solution cannot be found with the statement, for unless a problem is stated, who is to say that there is one? And if there is, what is it? I'm stating here.)" The Enlightened Caveman

"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." Louis D. Brandeis

Economic Left/Right: 4.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:42 pm

Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.


You realise that your first claim and your second claim are mutually exclusive, yes?


How so?


You claimed you didn't misrepresent either side, and then went straight on to misrepresent one side?


Ah...

I disagree.


And you're a socialist, so your opinion matters?
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Postby Skeptikosia » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:44 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.


You realise that your first claim and your second claim are mutually exclusive, yes?


How so?


You claimed you didn't misrepresent either side, and then went straight on to misrepresent one side?


Ah...

I disagree.


And you're a socialist, so your opinion matters?


I'm not a socialist.
"(DISCLAIMER: A Statement of a problem is not an endorsement of it, nor is it the solution to it. But the solution cannot be found with the statement, for unless a problem is stated, who is to say that there is one? And if there is, what is it? I'm stating here.)" The Enlightened Caveman

"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." Louis D. Brandeis

Economic Left/Right: 4.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:52 pm

Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.


You realise that your first claim and your second claim are mutually exclusive, yes?


How so?


You claimed you didn't misrepresent either side, and then went straight on to misrepresent one side?


Ah...

I disagree.


And you're a socialist, so your opinion matters?


I'm not a socialist.


So, you're just making up your 'representation' of socialists, then?

I'm shocked. You were so convincing. I really thought you knew what you were talking about.
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Postby Skeptikosia » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:22 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Skeptikosia wrote:I'm not misrepresenting either side in my opinion.

Socialists don't want a community that offers support, they want to force people to support the community in governmentally approved ways, which is opposed to fundamental property and personal rights.


You realise that your first claim and your second claim are mutually exclusive, yes?


How so?


You claimed you didn't misrepresent either side, and then went straight on to misrepresent one side?


Ah...

I disagree.


And you're a socialist, so your opinion matters?


I'm not a socialist.


So, you're just making up your 'representation' of socialists, then?

I'm shocked. You were so convincing. I really thought you knew what you were talking about.


Your sarcasm is duly noted.
"(DISCLAIMER: A Statement of a problem is not an endorsement of it, nor is it the solution to it. But the solution cannot be found with the statement, for unless a problem is stated, who is to say that there is one? And if there is, what is it? I'm stating here.)" The Enlightened Caveman

"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy." Louis D. Brandeis

Economic Left/Right: 4.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.33

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