Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th

[SainsburysBasicVodkaTopia]

As someone from the other side of the pond, (and speaking with the best of intentions) I don't see how this march would in any way relate to any previous civil rights marches; after all, they were famous for being nonviolent. Whilst this march may be well-intentioned, there's no logical way of looking at it as peaceful disobedience if you are carrying weapons in an area where you are not allowed to carry them (whether unloaded or not-how will the police/security forces tell if everyone has unloaded weapons?). It won't make anti-gun activists change their stance, and runs the risk of fulfilling the pro-gun stereotype that the US occasionally projects abroad. Wouldn't it be a more powerful act (whilst respecting DC law) for the protesters to march carrying their holsters/gun cases, as that would show them as the responsible, trustworthy civilians they are?
Apologies if I sound condescending.

[Anarcho-Leftist States of Horseflip]

Not yet; This'll be my first. Regardless, I feel it's about time I've attended one being that I am a man of politics.

Okay. I've been in more than a few on various sides of any number of issues.

First, as you're likely aware, a few idiots tend to feel more powerful when they're holding firearms, and can get a bit reckless. A miniscule minority of gun owners, to be sure, but remember my one-half of one percent comment.

Second, in a situation where people are demonstrating, moods tend to be contagious. It's group psychology, and can affect both those with no self-control and those who are usually like rocks. And it's never the calm moods that catch on. It's always the excitable ones, with people getting caught up in the moment.

Add to that everything else that I said earlier regarding crowds, the timing, the heat, and the alcohol, along with a police force that's more than usually alert due to recent events.

Stay safe.

I appreciate the concern, which I label as concern and not a scare tactic by any means. Needless to say it's 7 AM here and I've been posting since 3, so I'd be lying pretty heavily to say the whole thing doesn't get me antsy as all hell.

Nevertheless, I want to be there and stand for my ideals. I want it all to go by peacefully. I think it will all go by peacefully. I know there's a definite chance it won't. I don't want to see my parents, friends, or my lady suffer from my decision. Because of all that, I do not begrudge you your concern.

At any rate, I'll be among the unarmed due to my lack of a rifle that doesn't fire plastic and don't plan on making myself any bigger a target than I need to. I want to make that drive home later that evening. Regardless, I find the most important thing here is to make the drive up there in the first place. At any rate, thanks.

[The UK in Exile]

And I'm sure that firing on people who have not yet taken any actual action against the government, and claim to be exercising their Constitutional rights, will in no way, shape, or form lead to innocent bloodshed.

What they CLAIM is immaterial.
They'd be violating a law and having an armed political rally in the capital. That's reason enough to chuck them in jail, and to shoot them if they resist arrest.
I know that in America it's generally only black and hispanic people who get shot when suspected of a crime and supposedly armed; maybe it's high time to shoot also any people who are committing a crime and are clearly armed.

The march is a stupid and reckless idea. Escalating the situation is equally as moronic an idea.

When a person is a problem, remove the person and you'll remove the problem.

this is true. after all guns aren't the problem, people are the problem.

these people. specifically.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Okay. I've been in more than a few on various sides of any number of issues.

First, as you're likely aware, a few idiots tend to feel more powerful when they're holding firearms, and can get a bit reckless. A miniscule minority of gun owners, to be sure, but remember my one-half of one percent comment.

Second, in a situation where people are demonstrating, moods tend to be contagious. It's group psychology, and can affect both those with no self-control and those who are usually like rocks. And it's never the calm moods that catch on. It's always the excitable ones, with people getting caught up in the moment.

Add to that everything else that I said earlier regarding crowds, the timing, the heat, and the alcohol, along with a police force that's more than usually alert due to recent events.

Stay safe.

I appreciate the concern, which I label as concern and not a scare tactic by any means. Needless to say it's 7 AM here and I've been posting since 3, so I'd be lying pretty heavily to say the whole thing doesn't get me antsy as all hell.

Nevertheless, I want to be there and stand for my ideals. I want it all to go by peacefully. I think it will all go by peacefully. I know there's a definite chance it won't. I don't want to see my parents, friends, or my lady suffer from my decision. Because of all that, I do not begrudge you your concern.

At any rate, I'll be among the unarmed due to my lack of a rifle that doesn't fire plastic and don't plan on making myself any bigger a target than I need to. I want to make that drive home later that evening. Regardless, I find the most important thing here is to make the drive up there in the first place. At any rate, thanks.

That's fair. It's not a scare tactic. Remember, I do think that it's most likely that everything will turn out just fine, and even be a bit anticlimactic. Just be aware of what's going on around you, and if you think that things are getting a bit antsy, don't be ashamed to duck down an alley somewhere. That's saved me from many a nightstick whomping when my fellow demonstrators got out of hand, and in your case, it would save you from somewhat nastier possibilities. But so long as things remain calm, keep marching and stay strong. Oh, and take lots of water. D.C. in the summer is indescribably muggy.

It's inevitable that people get hurt in life, but if I can help minimize damage without directly interfering with people's lives, I'll do so.

[Neutraligon]

I appreciate the concern, which I label as concern and not a scare tactic by any means. Needless to say it's 7 AM here and I've been posting since 3, so I'd be lying pretty heavily to say the whole thing doesn't get me antsy as all hell.

Nevertheless, I want to be there and stand for my ideals. I want it all to go by peacefully. I think it will all go by peacefully. I know there's a definite chance it won't. I don't want to see my parents, friends, or my lady suffer from my decision. Because of all that, I do not begrudge you your concern.

At any rate, I'll be among the unarmed due to my lack of a rifle that doesn't fire plastic and don't plan on making myself any bigger a target than I need to. I want to make that drive home later that evening. Regardless, I find the most important thing here is to make the drive up there in the first place. At any rate, thanks.

That's fair. It's not a scare tactic. Remember, I do think that it's most likely that everything will turn out just fine, and even be a bit anticlimactic. Just be aware of what's going on around you, and if you think that things are getting a bit antsy, don't be ashamed to duck down an alley somewhere. That's saved me from many a nightstick whomping when my fellow demonstrators got out of hand, and in your case, it would save you from somewhat nastier possibilities. But so long as things remain calm, keep marching and stay strong. Oh, and take lots of water. D.C. in the summer is indescribably muggy.

It's inevitable that people get hurt in life, but if I can help minimize damage without directly interfering with people's lives, I'll do so.

I'll second the water thing. DC on the fourth is normally in the nineties with terrible humidity. Oh and bring bug spray, we get giant mosquitoes around here. If you have free time before the march, see the folk life festival, it's a lot of fun, and free (have to pay for food if you don't bring your own).

[Anarcho-Leftist States of Horseflip]

I appreciate the concern, which I label as concern and not a scare tactic by any means. Needless to say it's 7 AM here and I've been posting since 3, so I'd be lying pretty heavily to say the whole thing doesn't get me antsy as all hell.

Nevertheless, I want to be there and stand for my ideals. I want it all to go by peacefully. I think it will all go by peacefully. I know there's a definite chance it won't. I don't want to see my parents, friends, or my lady suffer from my decision. Because of all that, I do not begrudge you your concern.

At any rate, I'll be among the unarmed due to my lack of a rifle that doesn't fire plastic and don't plan on making myself any bigger a target than I need to. I want to make that drive home later that evening. Regardless, I find the most important thing here is to make the drive up there in the first place. At any rate, thanks.

That's fair. It's not a scare tactic. Remember, I do think that it's most likely that everything will turn out just fine, and even be a bit anticlimactic. Just be aware of what's going on around you, and if you think that things are getting a bit antsy, don't be ashamed to duck down an alley somewhere. That's saved me from many a nightstick whomping when my fellow demonstrators got out of hand, and in your case, it would save you from somewhat nastier possibilities. But so long as things remain calm, keep marching and stay strong. Oh, and take lots of water. D.C. in the summer is indescribably muggy.

It's inevitable that people get hurt in life, but if I can help minimize damage without directly interfering with people's lives, I'll do so.

I'll remember to pack my brains along with my testicles that day, comrade

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That's fair. It's not a scare tactic. Remember, I do think that it's most likely that everything will turn out just fine, and even be a bit anticlimactic. Just be aware of what's going on around you, and if you think that things are getting a bit antsy, don't be ashamed to duck down an alley somewhere. That's saved me from many a nightstick whomping when my fellow demonstrators got out of hand, and in your case, it would save you from somewhat nastier possibilities. But so long as things remain calm, keep marching and stay strong. Oh, and take lots of water. D.C. in the summer is indescribably muggy.

It's inevitable that people get hurt in life, but if I can help minimize damage without directly interfering with people's lives, I'll do so.

I'll remember to pack my brains along with my testicles that day, comrade

Good. It's a winning combination.

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

This march is a rather bad idea. I'm fine with them expressing their political views, but do they have to go about it with such a dangerous display of force, and in a way that's just going to make people look upon them as extremists? Not to mention the questionable nature of having ten thousand people or more with open guns in defiance of a region's law, and in our capital as well... And angry people probably, given the type that would show up for this. Couldn't they have figured out something more tactful instead? Why not just buy the region's government or something, and have them change the laws?

[Risottia]

Surely you're trolling. You're practically asking me to check my privilege.

Privileges are of no consequences. Law and rights matters. Privileges are a relic not pertaining to countries with rule-of-law and equality of citizens.

[Anarcho-Leftist States of Horseflip]

Surely you're trolling. You're practically asking me to check my privilege.

Privileges are of no consequences. Law and rights matters. Privileges are a relic not pertaining to countries with rule-of-law and equality of citizens.

I was referencing the 'social justice' movement, camarada.

[Risottia]

Privileges are of no consequences. Law and rights matters. Privileges are a relic not pertaining to countries with rule-of-law and equality of citizens.

I was referencing the 'social justice' movement, camarada.

I fail to see how this "social justice movement" matters in the present issue.

[Anarcho-Leftist States of Horseflip]

I was referencing the 'social justice' movement, camarada.

I fail to see how this "social justice movement" matters in the present issue.

I was referring to your "only minorities get punished by the law unfairly" (which is a potential exaggeration) comment.

[Risottia]

I fail to see how this "social justice movement" matters in the present issue.

I was referring to your "only minorities get punished by the law unfairly" (which is a potential exaggeration) comment.

So, let me understand you: do you mean
a) standards of law enforcement in the US are too harsh, and people suspected of having committed a crime and of being armed, and who fail to surrender immediately should NOT be shot upon, or
b) people who rally in clearly illegal way with weapons for a political purpose get a special "break the law for free" permit?

[Anarcho-Leftist States of Horseflip]

I was referring to your "only minorities get punished by the law unfairly" (which is a potential exaggeration) comment.

So, let me understand you: do you mean
a) standards of law enforcement in the US are too harsh, and people suspected of having committed a crime and of being armed, and who fail to surrender immediately should NOT be shot upon, or
b) people who rally in clearly illegal way with weapons for a political purpose get a special "break the law for free" permit?

I do not expect them to not face any consequences. I rather expect them to face them gracefully and thus make their point nonaggressively.

[Ashmoria]

Libertarian radio host Adam Kokesh has planned an armed 2nd Amendment march through DC for Independence Day. The march is an act of civil disobedience against DC gun laws which prohibits open carry of rifles.

https://www.facebook.com/events/252728144871259/

If the event reaches 10,000 attendees by June 1st then Adam will go through with the event as planned

This is a great show of power in the face of the current government. We should make this a yearly event!

this is an extremely bad idea.

such a march is a magnet for nutz who hope to end up with shooting someone.

[Pope Joan]

Here's Bill Maher (sorry if already quoted):
"Can we get to, first of all, how ridiculous it is for people to think that the Second Amendment protects them from tyranny. Didn’t Waco solve that? We just had the anniversary a couple of weeks ago. Remember Waco? You know what they had in Waco? They had like 1.9 million rounds of ammunition; they had .50 caliber machine guns; they had grenades…What did the government have? Everything else. The winner and still champion – the United States government. Thinking the Second Amendment protects you from tyranny is like thinking the First Amendment protects you from Thor. It’s quaint. It’s ridiculous. It’s nonsensical. And they never get called [on] it!"

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/0 ... ashington/

Sure it's a biased source, but I just used it for the quote.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The quote's not only probably wrong, but it doesn't show much understanding of anything, really.

Mass civil disobedience as a form of protest is an established tactic.

But this could be construed as dangerous because of the nature of the disobedience and it could be used (unjustifiably) as an excuse to do something awful to the protestors.

Unless someone actually intends on shooting someone, then this is really just akin to getting your entire student body to turn up to school in gang colours.

[Ashmoria]

The quote's not only probably wrong, but it doesn't show much understanding of anything, really.

But this could be construed as dangerous because of the nature of the disobedience and it could be used (unjustifiably) as an excuse to do something awful to the protestors.

Unless someone actually intends on shooting someone, then this is really just akin to getting your entire student body to turn up to school in gang colours.

it turns out that a crowd dressed in the same color is far less dangerous than a crowd with loaded guns.

if violence breaks out at your school event, someone gets a bloody nose. if violence breaks out in a gun march someone gets shot.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Libertarian radio host Adam Kokesh has planned an armed 2nd Amendment march through DC for Independence Day. The march is an act of civil disobedience against DC gun laws which prohibits open carry of rifles.

https://www.facebook.com/events/252728144871259/

If the event reaches 10,000 attendees by June 1st then Adam will go through with the event as planned

This is a great show of power in the face of the current government. We should make this a yearly event!

They should all be arrested.

[Neo Art]

Libertarian radio host Adam Kokesh has planned an armed 2nd Amendment march through DC for Independence Day. The march is an act of civil disobedience against DC gun laws which prohibits open carry of rifles.

https://www.facebook.com/events/252728144871259/

If the event reaches 10,000 attendees by June 1st then Adam will go through with the event as planned

This is a great show of power in the face of the current government. We should make this a yearly event!

They should all be arrested.

As I said before, the people who go through with this are terrorists. They should be treated as such.

[Samuraikoku]

The only thing missing from the OP was a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! warcry.

[Farnhamia]

The only thing missing from the OP was a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! warcry.

Truly. We'll see how it goes. I hope these guys are making their hotel reservations now, though. The Washington can be booked solid for the Fourth of July. And I hope their dear ... organizer has filed for his permit to hold a march. It's going to be awfully embarrassing if they get turned away not because they're carrying loaded rifles but because they don't have a permit.

And I make a present of this, my 60,000th post, to you, my friend.

[Samuraikoku]

The only thing missing from the OP was a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! warcry.

Truly. We'll see how it goes. I hope these guys are making their hotel reservations now, though. The Washington can be booked solid for the Fourth of July. And I hope their dear ... organizer has filed for his permit to hold a march. It's going to be awfully embarrassing if they get turned away not because they're carrying loaded rifles but because they don't have a permit.

And I make a present of this, my 60,000th post, to you, my friend.

[Neo Art]

The only thing missing from the OP was a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! warcry.

Truly. We'll see how it goes. I hope these guys are making their hotel reservations now, though. The Washington can be booked solid for the Fourth of July. And I hope their dear ... organizer has filed for his permit to hold a march. It's going to be awfully embarrassing if they get turned away not because they're carrying loaded rifles but because they don't have a permit.

And I make a present of this, my 60,000th post, to you, my friend.

One for every summer eh?

[Farnhamia]

Truly. We'll see how it goes. I hope these guys are making their hotel reservations now, though. The Washington can be booked solid for the Fourth of July. And I hope their dear ... organizer has filed for his permit to hold a march. It's going to be awfully embarrassing if they get turned away not because they're carrying loaded rifles but because they don't have a permit.

And I make a present of this, my 60,000th post, to you, my friend.

One for every summer eh?

I don't think I look that old, do I? No, more like about 3.5 for every summer.