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Is this a good idea?

YES, Kokesh and those marching with him are patriots!!
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NO, They will all end up dead or arrested
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 11:27 am

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Irredento wrote:I've voted for a Muslim candidate for Scottish Parliament before if this makes you feel any better. Not a secret Muslim either. A real one.

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Postby Neo Art » Mon May 06, 2013 11:28 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:poll after poll after poll, performed all over the country, with very simple wording, has shown that background checks have more support than APPLE FUCKING PIE.


In fairness, the only support I saw for apple fucking pie was some movie that came out, like, 15 fucking years ago.
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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 11:28 am

Seriously though, when did support for the Second Amendment become "racist" in the eyes of leftists? You use that term a whole lot but it really makes no sense whatsoever this time.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon May 06, 2013 11:29 am

Irredento wrote:Seriously though, when did support for the Second Amendment become "racist" in the eyes of leftists? You use that term a whole lot but it really makes no sense whatsoever this time.


... Have you been paying attention?

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 11:30 am

Neo Art wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:poll after poll after poll, performed all over the country, with very simple wording, has shown that background checks have more support than APPLE FUCKING PIE.


In fairness, the only support I saw for apple fucking pie was some movie that came out, like, 15 fucking years ago.

I've never seen it. I've heard all sorts of things about that scene, but never once have I lowered myself to watching that movie.

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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 11:30 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Irredento wrote:Seriously though, when did support for the Second Amendment become "racist" in the eyes of leftists? You use that term a whole lot but it really makes no sense whatsoever this time.


... Have you been paying attention?

Yes. I've heard a whole lot of straw men and false equivalency but nothing suggesting that anything about the Second Amendment is racist.

It's just kind of odd that you guys keep throwing that word around in a debate over gun control. I would feel the same way about a white guy trying to do the things the Obama administration is doing. In fact, I'm not exactly a fan of Joe "buy a shotgun" Biden and I'm pretty sure he's white.

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Postby Choronzon » Mon May 06, 2013 11:30 am

Irredento wrote:Seriously though, when did support for the Second Amendment become "racist" in the eyes of leftists?

Irredento wrote: nothing suggesting that anything about the Second Amendment is racist.

Do you honestly think thats whats going on here?

Do you really think, deep down, honestly and truly, that this is why people are talking about racism?

Because if so, and I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but if this is really and truly why you think racism has come up then whoever was supposed to teach you reading comprehension and critical thinking has failed you horribly.

In fact, I'm not exactly a fan of Joe "buy a shotgun" Biden and I'm pretty sure he's white.

And I'm sure the fact that he's the black guy's VP has nothing to do with it.

But seriously, what self respecting White Man lets a black guy be the boss of him?
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Postby Algonquin Ascendancy » Mon May 06, 2013 11:30 am

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Choronzon wrote:TED said that such measures had a wide degree of support. You asked if there was a referendum, as if that was the only way to gauge public support. There has not been, but you can learn how the public feels from a poll. I was trying to point this out to you, since you apparently were unaware.

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

What is it with gun nuts and their inability to comprehend polls and surveys?
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon May 06, 2013 11:31 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
In fairness, the only support I saw for apple fucking pie was some movie that came out, like, 15 fucking years ago.

I've never seen it. I've heard all sorts of things about that scene, but never once have I lowered myself to watching that movie.

What I never understood was how it spawned sequels.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon May 06, 2013 11:31 am

Irredento wrote:Yes. I've heard a whole lot of straw men and false equivalency but nothing suggesting that anything about the Second Amendment is racist.


Maybe because no one has said the Second Amendment is racist at all?

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 11:32 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I've never seen it. I've heard all sorts of things about that scene, but never once have I lowered myself to watching that movie.

What I never understood was how it spawned sequels.

It what now? Seriously?

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Postby Khadgar » Mon May 06, 2013 11:32 am

Irredento wrote:Seriously though, when did support for the Second Amendment become "racist" in the eyes of leftists? You use that term a whole lot but it really makes no sense whatsoever this time.


Where in the depths of your ass did you pull that from?

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon May 06, 2013 11:32 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:What I never understood was how it spawned sequels.

It what now? Seriously?


American Pie?

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 11:32 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:It what now? Seriously?


American Pie?

I believe that's the movie we're discussing, yes.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 11:33 am

Khadgar wrote:
Irredento wrote:Seriously though, when did support for the Second Amendment become "racist" in the eyes of leftists? You use that term a whole lot but it really makes no sense whatsoever this time.


Where in the depths of your ass did you pull that from?

And did you get any polyps on the way out?

Remember, get the polyp, get the cure.

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Postby Agritum » Mon May 06, 2013 11:33 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:It what now? Seriously?


American Pie?

Stiffler's mom *nods*

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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 11:33 am

Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:
Irredento wrote:You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

What is it with gun nuts and their inability to comprehend polls and surveys?

I could hold a poll on Stormfront asking if whites are the master race then post it here but would you accept it as fact? Polls are always problematic. Unrepresentative samples and biased question phrasing are the two biggest issues and they're common as all hell.

Also, if the public goes against the constitution, that doesn't necessarily make it right. The US was never intended to be ruled through tyranny of the majority.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon May 06, 2013 11:33 am

Agritum wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
American Pie?

Stiffler's mom *nods*


Haven't seen either the original nor any sequels.

But hell, that shouldn't be a surprise.

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Postby Choronzon » Mon May 06, 2013 11:33 am

Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:
Irredento wrote:You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

What is it with gun nuts and their inability to comprehend polls and surveys?

Everyone knows numbers are socialist anyway

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Postby Algonquin Ascendancy » Mon May 06, 2013 11:33 am

Choronzon wrote:
Irredento wrote:It's like you're actually starting to understand!

So you have evidence to suggest that TED's poll had some problems with its methodology?

Oui. He didn't do the necessary legwork.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 11:34 am

Irredento wrote:
Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:What is it with gun nuts and their inability to comprehend polls and surveys?

I could hold a poll on Stormfront asking if whites are the master race then post it here but would you accept it as fact? Polls are always problematic. Unrepresentative samples and biased question phrasing are the two biggest issues and they're common as all hell.

Also, if the public goes against the constitution, that doesn't necessarily make it right. The US was never intended to be ruled through tyranny of the majority.

.....You aren't big on reading are you?

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Postby Ensiferum » Mon May 06, 2013 11:34 am

I hope this march brings about a positive outcome. That being many Americans turning away from the batshit crazy NRA and the like. The whole thing is rather dumb, I will never get the American obsession with guns I mean it's gotten to the point where the U.S. Army told Congress they don't need nor want more tanks and Congress is forcing them to make more tanks. Utter stupidity.

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon May 06, 2013 11:34 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:What I never understood was how it spawned sequels.

It what now? Seriously?

I think there were like two sequels, a spinoff, a sequel to the spinoff and a "reunion".
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 11:34 am

Algonquin Ascendancy wrote:
Choronzon wrote:So you have evidence to suggest that TED's poll had some problems with its methodology?

Oui. He didn't do the necessary legwork.
Sorry TED... I couldn't resist...

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Postby Choronzon » Mon May 06, 2013 11:34 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:.....You aren't big on reading are you?

Reading is for liberals. Actually comprehending what you read is for fucking communists.

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