Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th

[The Emerald Dawn]

Yes, how dare he follow public opinion on something this important. How dare he advocate for something that over 90% of his country supports, in increasing background checks.

Well, fuck. I guess we're just going to keep going around this teacup ride.

So now you admit that he is pushing for new gun control measures? Also, I wasn't aware that they had held a referendum on the issue?

A background check? Yeah. Him and 90% of the nation would like to see an expansion of them. I'm pretty confident that we can say it's not controversial to anyone who doesn't work for the NRA.

[Khadgar]

So now you admit that he is pushing for new gun control measures? Also, I wasn't aware that they had held a referendum on the issue?

A background check? Yeah. Him and 90% of the nation would like to see an expansion of them. I'm pretty confident that we can say it's not controversial to anyone who doesn't work for the NRA.

Well the NRA gun manufacturers and gun store owners. Oh and ammo suppliers.

[Choronzon]

A background check? Yeah. Him and 90% of the nation would like to see an expansion of them. I'm pretty confident that we can say it's not controversial to anyone who doesn't work for the NRA.

Well the NRA gun manufacturers and gun store owners. Oh and ammo suppliers.

So Real Americans?

[Irredento]

A "poll" is not a "referendum".

TED said that such measures had a wide degree of support. You asked if there was a referendum, as if that was the only way to gauge public support. There has not been, but you can learn how the public feels from a poll. I was trying to point this out to you, since you apparently were unaware.

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

[Choronzon]

TED said that such measures had a wide degree of support. You asked if there was a referendum, as if that was the only way to gauge public support. There has not been, but you can learn how the public feels from a poll. I was trying to point this out to you, since you apparently were unaware.

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

"I REJECT THEM CAUSE I DONT LIKE WHAT THEY SAY!"

Cause there is no such thing as a reliable poll.

[Samuraikoku]

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

How many polls favored Obama before the last election?

[Snoringen]

I feel that the 2nd amendment is important.

I also feel that peaceful acts of civil disobedience can be healthy and sobering to a drunk, large monolithic Government.

[Irredento]

there is no such thing as a reliable poll.

It's like you're actually starting to understand!

[Khadgar]

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

"I REJECT THEM CAUSE I DONT LIKE WHAT THEY SAY!"

Cause there is no such thing as a reliable poll.

Seems to be a running gag don't it? The poll disagrees with me, therefore it's clearly not only wrong, but was conducted on opposite day.

[Samuraikoku]

there is no such thing as a reliable poll.

It's like you're actually starting to understand!

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

How many polls favored Obama before the last election?

[Neo Art]

NSG minds can not comprehend anything not related to race,religion or gender..

Some of us can, but whenever we try and discuss it people like you muddy the waters with ignorance and half truths.

Are you suggesting that just because these fine upstanding citzens who are just concerned that the president is trying to strip their god given rights, JUST SO HAPPEN to be the same guys who were walking around with "get the black man out of the white house" signs, that their recent concerns might have SOMETHING to do with racism?

Mr. Choronzon, I think we discovered who the REAL bigot is here.

It's you. You're the bigot.

....the hammer is my penis

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

while attempting to disarm his own people.

As he should.

[Choronzon]

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

How many polls favored Obama before the last election?

There were serious methodology issues with a lot of polls last election cycle.

But unless Irredento wants to provide some evidence to suggest that the polls TED is talking about have some serious methodology issues, I'll just keep believing the numbers.

[The Emerald Dawn]

TED said that such measures had a wide degree of support. You asked if there was a referendum, as if that was the only way to gauge public support. There has not been, but you can learn how the public feels from a poll. I was trying to point this out to you, since you apparently were unaware.

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

Yes, actually, you can. You see,

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/2451
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 70954.html
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... gly-suppo/
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-an ... aseID=1843

poll after poll after poll, performed all over the country, with very simple wording, has shown that background checks have more support than APPLE FUCKING PIE.

[Khadgar]

Some of us can, but whenever we try and discuss it people like you muddy the waters with ignorance and half truths.

Are you suggesting that just because these fine upstanding citzens who are just concerned that the president is trying to strip their god given rights, JUST SO HAPPEN to be the same guys who were walking around with "get the black man out of the white house" signs, that their recent concerns might have SOMETHING to do with racist?

Mr. Choronzon, I think we discovered who the REAL bigot is here.

It's you. You're the bigot.

It's true! He's so prejudiced against those fine upstanding folks!

[Occupied Deutschland]

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

Yes, actually, you can. You see,

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/2451
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 70954.html
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... gly-suppo/
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-an ... aseID=1843

poll after poll after poll, performed all over the country, with very simple wording, has shown that background checks have more support than APPLE FUCKING PIE.

Then the elected representatives of the people who voted against them will be fucked in the next election, won't they.

Welcome to representative democracy.

[Khadgar]

You can't outright claim that 90% of the nation supports something without conducting a referendum. Despite being useful, polls are often worded in biased ways and aren't always an accurate measure of public opinion.

Yes, actually, you can. You see,

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/2451
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 70954.html
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... gly-suppo/
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-an ... aseID=1843

poll after poll after poll, performed all over the country, with very simple wording, has shown that background checks have more support than APPLE FUCKING PIE.

To be fair Apple pie is as boring as mom and baseball.

[Irredento]

the same guys who were walking around with "get the black man out of the white house" signs

I can honestly say I've never done that.

[Choronzon]

there is no such thing as a reliable poll.

It's like you're actually starting to understand!

So you have evidence to suggest that TED's poll had some problems with its methodology?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Yes, actually, you can. You see,

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/2451
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 70954.html
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... gly-suppo/
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-an ... aseID=1843

poll after poll after poll, performed all over the country, with very simple wording, has shown that background checks have more support than APPLE FUCKING PIE.

Then the elected representatives of the people who voted against them will be fucked in the next election, won't they.

Welcome to representative democracy.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/29/poll-num ... nd-checks/

You're right. They shouldn't be.

[Samuraikoku]

the same guys who were walking around with "get the black man out of the white house" signs

I can honestly say I've never done that.

You're from Scotland, you've said.

[Choronzon]

the same guys who were walking around with "get the black man out of the white house" signs

I can honestly say I've never done that.

No, you just happen to agree with the guys who did, buy their arguments without question, and repeat their talking points.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Yes, actually, you can. You see,

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/2451
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 70954.html
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... gly-suppo/
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-an ... aseID=1843

poll after poll after poll, performed all over the country, with very simple wording, has shown that background checks have more support than APPLE FUCKING PIE.

To be fair Apple pie is as boring as mom and baseball.

Your mom's not boring at all. Now baseball? That shit's boring.

[Irredento]

I can honestly say I've never done that.

You're from Scotland, you've said.

I've voted for a Muslim candidate for Scottish Parliament before if this makes you feel any better. Not a secret Muslim either. A real one.

[Choronzon]

You're from Scotland, you've said.

I've voted for a Muslim candidate for Scottish Parliament before if this makes you feel any better. Not a secret Muslim either. A real one.

"I have a black friend."