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Is this a good idea?

YES, Kokesh and those marching with him are patriots!!
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NO, They will all end up dead or arrested
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon May 06, 2013 10:41 am

Us heterosexual white males are losing all our freedumbs. :v(
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon May 06, 2013 10:41 am

I don't think that's an especially relevant issue for Americans and hasn't for some centuries.
Probably why no-one bangs on about it and why I never knew what it was until a couple months ago.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 10:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:"There seems to be an implication that one can't be black and Irish."

In my experience one cannot.

...Black Irish does kind of mean something other than the color of their skin. We all know this right? We're all just playing with the term, yes?

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Postby Choronzon » Mon May 06, 2013 10:43 am

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Choronzon wrote:So, tell me, when people held up pictures of Obama's face imposed over a witch doctor, what policy of his were they criticizing exactly? And what is the political symbolism behind the witch doctor?

Because obviously if KKK type extremists dislike Obama, all of his opponents must be like that!

Nope.

Just some of them.

I dislike the man because he's a smirking POS who jokes about drone strikes on women and children

Lets be honest, we both know you don't care about civilian casualties. I mean, they live in the Middle East, so they're at least guilty of Terrorist By Proximity, right?
while attempting to disarm his own people.

Racist, paranoid talking points.
I never realised this made me a racist until now. Thanks for enlightening me,

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I like that you throw that on there at the end in a manner which suggests I ought to take offense.
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Postby Sociobiology » Mon May 06, 2013 10:45 am

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Samozaryadnyastan wrote:"There seems to be an implication that one can't be black and Irish."

In my experience one cannot.


because a black person and an Irish person would never have sex?
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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 10:46 am

Choronzon wrote:
Irredento wrote:while attempting to disarm his own people.

Racist, paranoid talking points.

Do explain how respect for the Second Amendment is racist.

Choronzon wrote:
Irredento wrote:comrade.

I like that you throw that on there at the end in a manner which suggests I ought to take offense.

Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. A spade is a spade and a red is a red. And I am a racist apparently.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 10:46 am

Sociobiology wrote:
Ifreann wrote:In my experience one cannot.


because a black person and an Irish person would never have sex?

Crossbreeding our niggers? Are you insane?

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Postby Sociobiology » Mon May 06, 2013 10:47 am

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Sociobiology wrote:
because a black person and an Irish person would never have sex?

Crossbreeding our niggers? Are you insane?

I has been illegal before.
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Postby Xsyne » Mon May 06, 2013 10:48 am

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Xsyne wrote:I wonder if violating D.C.'s laws against open-carry is a felony.

http://dcguncase.com/blog/dc-gun-laws/

§ 7-2507.06. Penalties

Any person convicted of a violation of any provision of this unit shall be fined not more than $ 1,000 or imprisoned for not more than 1 year, or both; except that:

(1) A person who knowingly or intentionally sells, transfers, or distributes a firearm, destructive device, or ammunition to a person under 18 years of age shall be fined not more than $ 10,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.

(2) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B) of this paragraph, any person who is convicted a second time for possessing an unregistered firearm shall be fined not more than $ 5,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(B) A person who in the person’s dwelling place, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, possesses a pistol, or firearm that could otherwise be registered, shall be fined not more than $ 1,000 or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(3) A person convicted of knowingly possessing restricted pistol bullets in violation of § 7-2506.01(3) may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not to exceed 10 years and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a mandatory-minimum term of not less than 1 year and shall not be released from prison or granted probation or suspension of sentence prior to serving the mandatory-minimum sentence, and, in addition, may be fined an amount not to exceed $ 10,000.

I think the relevant section is actually the next one.
§ 22-4504. Carrying concealed weapons; possession of weapons during commission of crime of violence; penalty

(a) No person shall carry within the District of Columbia either openly or concealed on or about their person, a pistol, without a license issued pursuant to District of Columbia law, or any deadly or dangerous weapon capable of being so concealed. Whoever violates this section shall be punished as provided in § 22-4515, except that:

(1) A person who violates this section by carrying a pistol, without a license issued pursuant to District of Columbia law, or any deadly or dangerous weapon, in a place other than the person’s dwelling place, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, shall be fined not more than $ 5,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both; or

(2) If the violation of this section occurs after a person has been convicted in the District of Columbia of a violation of this section or of a felony, either in the District of Columbia or another jurisdiction, the person shall be fined not more than $ 10,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.

(b) No person shall within the District of Columbia possess a pistol, machine gun, shotgun, rifle, or any other firearm or imitation firearm while committing a crime of violence or dangerous crime as defined in § 22-4501. Upon conviction of a violation of this subsection, the person may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not to exceed 15 years and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a mandatory-minimum term of not less than 5 years and shall not be released on parole, or granted probation or suspension of sentence, prior to serving the mandatory-minimum sentence.

Doesn't seem to be a felony, but if the second use of "deadly or dangerous weapon" not being qualified with "capable of being so concealed" is meaningful, then the penalty is a fine of up to $5000, imprisonment of up to 5 years, or both.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 10:49 am

Xsyne wrote:

I think the relevant section is actually the next one.
§ 22-4504. Carrying concealed weapons; possession of weapons during commission of crime of violence; penalty

(a) No person shall carry within the District of Columbia either openly or concealed on or about their person, a pistol, without a license issued pursuant to District of Columbia law, or any deadly or dangerous weapon capable of being so concealed. Whoever violates this section shall be punished as provided in § 22-4515, except that:

(1) A person who violates this section by carrying a pistol, without a license issued pursuant to District of Columbia law, or any deadly or dangerous weapon, in a place other than the person’s dwelling place, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, shall be fined not more than $ 5,000 or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both; or

(2) If the violation of this section occurs after a person has been convicted in the District of Columbia of a violation of this section or of a felony, either in the District of Columbia or another jurisdiction, the person shall be fined not more than $ 10,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.

(b) No person shall within the District of Columbia possess a pistol, machine gun, shotgun, rifle, or any other firearm or imitation firearm while committing a crime of violence or dangerous crime as defined in § 22-4501. Upon conviction of a violation of this subsection, the person may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not to exceed 15 years and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a mandatory-minimum term of not less than 5 years and shall not be released on parole, or granted probation or suspension of sentence, prior to serving the mandatory-minimum sentence.

Doesn't seem to be a felony, but if the second use of "deadly or dangerous weapon" not being qualified with "capable of being so concealed" is meaningful, then the penalty is a fine of up to $5000, imprisonment of up to 5 years, or both.

I don't do law reading. All I know is Ctrl+F didn't show the word "Felony". :)

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Postby Choronzon » Mon May 06, 2013 10:50 am

Irredento wrote:Do explain how respect for the Second Amendment is racist.

Thats not whats racist.

Thinking that the black guy is going to take away your liberties, despite having done very little (until recently) to address the gun violence epidemic in this country is what makes your shrieking about your boomsticks nothing but racist talking points.

I'll bet you were one of those people stockpiling guns and ammo the day after the 2008 election.
Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. A spade is a spade and a red is a red.

I'm going to ignore the fact that nothing I've said is particularly socialist (nothing that would be considered socialist among normal people anyway- I'm well aware that in the mind of conservatives anything they disagree with is commie) and just say that I am, in fact, redder than the Soviet flag.

Thats why I laughed. Because you meant to imply an insult. I'm not insulted at all.
And I am a racist apparently.

I don't know if you are. You are certainly acting like one.
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Postby Xsyne » Mon May 06, 2013 10:50 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Xsyne wrote:I think the relevant section is actually the next one.

Doesn't seem to be a felony, but if the second use of "deadly or dangerous weapon" not being qualified with "capable of being so concealed" is meaningful, then the penalty is a fine of up to $5000, imprisonment of up to 5 years, or both.

I don't do law reading. All I know is Ctrl+F didn't show the word "Felony". :)

Strange, because it shows up in the bit I quoted, which was on the page you linked. Weird.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 10:51 am

Xsyne wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I don't do law reading. All I know is Ctrl+F didn't show the word "Felony". :)

Strange, because it shows up in the bit I quoted, which was on the page you linked. Weird.

That's because it isn't spelled Feolny.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon May 06, 2013 10:52 am

Irredento wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Racist, paranoid talking points.

Do explain how respect for the Second Amendment is racist.

Choronzon wrote:I like that you throw that on there at the end in a manner which suggests I ought to take offense.

Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. A spade is a spade and a red is a red. And I am a racist apparently.

The gun control efforts if the Obama administration are literally identical to those proposed by the fucking NRA and republicans have proposed in the past. The opposition is because Barack Obama supports it now. Why? Hmm, I wonder... Also why the theories that he is from Kenya? Or that he is "un American"? A Muslim? A terror hiding in your closet, waiting to sap your precious freedom and bodily fluids?
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Postby Choronzon » Mon May 06, 2013 10:54 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Irredento wrote:Do explain how respect for the Second Amendment is racist.


Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. A spade is a spade and a red is a red. And I am a racist apparently.

The gun control efforts if the Obama administration are literally identical to those proposed by the fucking NRA and republicans have proposed in the past. The opposition is because Barack Obama supports it now. Why? Hmm, I wonder... Also why the theories that he is from Kenya? Or that he is "un American"? A Muslim? A terror hiding in your closet, waiting to sap your precious freedom and bodily fluids?

I'm not a racist! I just think the illegal Kenyan with the funny name who probably worships a different god (read: the exact same god but with a different name) is trying to take away my rights so he can have my white women oppress me, so I need to stockpile guns and ammo in preparation for the race war inevitable revolution launched to make the White House white again restore our liberty!
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 06, 2013 10:56 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Ifreann wrote:In my experience one cannot.

...Black Irish does kind of mean something other than the color of their skin. We all know this right? We're all just playing with the term, yes?

Yes, but now you've ruined it.


Sociobiology wrote:
Ifreann wrote:In my experience one cannot.


because a black person and an Irish person would never have sex?

A ginger black might ensue, and thus bring about the end of days.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon May 06, 2013 10:56 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Irredento wrote:Do explain how respect for the Second Amendment is racist.


Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. A spade is a spade and a red is a red. And I am a racist apparently.

The gun control efforts if the Obama administration are literally identical to those proposed by the fucking NRA and republicans have proposed in the past. The opposition is because Barack Obama supports it now. Why? Hmm, I wonder... Also why the theories that he is from Kenya? Or that he is "un American"? A Muslim? A terror hiding in your closet, waiting to sap your precious freedom and bodily fluids?

Actually, much of it has to do with the proposal of a renewed assault weapons ban and Feinstein and Schumer backing the Machin-Toomey compromise (at least, that's what the NRA mailer and call I got talked about).

No need to create new boogeymen when there's a premade one in Feinstein pushing for gun control.

But, this is somewhat off-topic I suppose.
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Postby Xsyne » Mon May 06, 2013 10:57 am

Choronzon wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:The gun control efforts if the Obama administration are literally identical to those proposed by the fucking NRA and republicans have proposed in the past. The opposition is because Barack Obama supports it now. Why? Hmm, I wonder... Also why the theories that he is from Kenya? Or that he is "un American"? A Muslim? A terror hiding in your closet, waiting to sap your precious freedom and bodily fluids?

I'm not a racist! I just think the illegal Kenyan with the funny name who probably worships a different god (read: the exact same god but with a different name) is trying to take away my rights so he can have my white women oppress me, so I need to stockpile guns and ammo in preparation for the race war inevitable revolution launched to make the White House white again restore our liberty!

Not even a different name. Same name, different language.
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Postby Choronzon » Mon May 06, 2013 10:57 am

Xsyne wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I'm not a racist! I just think the illegal Kenyan with the funny name who probably worships a different god (read: the exact same god but with a different name) is trying to take away my rights so he can have my white women oppress me, so I need to stockpile guns and ammo in preparation for the race war inevitable revolution launched to make the White House white again restore our liberty!

Not even a different name. Same name, different language.

Good point.

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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 10:59 am

Choronzon wrote:
Irredento wrote:Do explain how respect for the Second Amendment is racist.

Thats not whats racist.

Thinking that the black guy is going to take away your liberties, despite having done very little (until recently) to address the gun violence epidemic in this country is what makes your shrieking about your boomsticks nothing but racist talking points.

They don't think he wants to take away their civil liberties. They know. If you want to argue that some elements in the Tea Party have been "racist", so be it, but people like Adam Kokesh are totally justified in their recent opposition to the administration's attempts at instituting more oppressive gun control laws.

Choronzon wrote:I'll bet you were one of those people stockpiling guns and ammo the day after the 2008 election.

I'm actually Scottish but part of a small group of people who wish to see gun control laws repealed here.

If I did hypothetically own a SIG Sauer P226 for hypothetical home protection, this would hypothetically be illegal and that would be hypothetically terrible since I know that only cops are smart and morally just enough to own guns and I would never break the law. Honest.

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Irredento wrote:Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. A spade is a spade and a red is a red.

I'm going to ignore the fact that nothing I've said is particularly socialist (nothing that would be considered socialist among normal people anyway- I'm well aware that in the mind of conservatives anything they disagree with is commie) and just say that I am, in fact, redder than the Soviet flag.

Your opposition to one of the freedoms that makes your country great among the first world nations is something you have in common with a lot of other socialists and so I made an assumption. It wasn't intended to be an insult. It was just me pointing out that I could recognise your type from your accusations of racism for no particular reason along with your praise of the Obama administrations attempt to take guns from decent law-abiding people.

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Irredento wrote:And I am a racist apparently.

I don't know if you are. You are certainly acting like one.

See, there you go doing it again. Nothing I've said would be construed by an ordinary person as "racist" but in the eyes of someone like yourself, just being white and opposing something a black guy does must make me racist, even if the black guy's actions are reprehensible.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon May 06, 2013 11:00 am

Choronzon wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:The gun control efforts if the Obama administration are literally identical to those proposed by the fucking NRA and republicans have proposed in the past. The opposition is because Barack Obama supports it now. Why? Hmm, I wonder... Also why the theories that he is from Kenya? Or that he is "un American"? A Muslim? A terror hiding in your closet, waiting to sap your precious freedom and bodily fluids?
I'm not a racist! I just think the illegal Kenyan with the funny name who probably worships a different god (read: the exact same god but with a different name) is trying to take away my rights so he can have my white women oppress me, so I need to stockpile guns and ammo in preparation for the race war inevitable revolution launched to make the White House white again restore our liberty!

I'm a white person and I am sick of white people. Racism exists. Stop acting so fucking defensive and start growing as a person, Jesus Christ this persecution complex just drives home the punt and makes you seem even more racist and/or dumb.
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Postby Sociobiology » Mon May 06, 2013 11:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:...Black Irish does kind of mean something other than the color of their skin. We all know this right? We're all just playing with the term, yes?

Yes, but now you've ruined it.


Sociobiology wrote:
because a black person and an Irish person would never have sex?

A ginger black might ensue, and thus bring about the end of days.

Image


then you have Australian Abo's and native Africans who have red hair all the time.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon May 06, 2013 11:01 am

Irredento wrote:They don't think he wants to take away their civil liberties. They know. If you want to argue that some elements in the Tea Party have been "racist", so be it, but people like Adam Kokesh are totally justified in their recent opposition to the administration's attempts at instituting more oppressive gun control laws.


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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon May 06, 2013 11:02 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I'm not a racist! I just think the illegal Kenyan with the funny name who probably worships a different god (read: the exact same god but with a different name) is trying to take away my rights so he can have my white women oppress me, so I need to stockpile guns and ammo in preparation for the race war inevitable revolution launched to make the White House white again restore our liberty!

I'm a white person and I am sick of white people. Racism exists. Stop acting so fucking defensive and start growing as a person, Jesus Christ this persecution complex just drives home the punt and makes you seem even more racist and/or dumb.

Where does the punt live?

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Postby Irredento » Mon May 06, 2013 11:03 am

Ifreann wrote:A ginger black might ensue, and thus bring about the end of days.

Oh God. It all makes so much sense now:
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