Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I seem to need to say it again, I'm not trying to absolve the NRA of anything.
I just don't think they should have been a factor.

But they were. So, when discussing real world factors and how events played out in the real world what you think "should" have happened is totally irrelevant.

I'm clearly unable to find the word I want, because you're still not understanding me.

[Choronzon]

Oh of course! Racists and misogynists invariably have our interests at heart, and only want the very best for us.

You're just intolerant of their racism. Who's the REAL bigot now, huh? You are. You're the bigot.

How's that feel?

WHY ARE YOU INTOLERANT OF MUH INTOLERANCE STATIST?!?

[Chernoslavia]

Libertarian radio host Adam Kokesh has planned an armed 2nd Amendment march through DC for Independence Day. The march is an act of civil disobedience against DC gun laws which prohibits open carry of rifles.

https://www.facebook.com/events/252728144871259/

If the event reaches 10,000 attendees by June 1st then Adam will go through with the event as planned

This is a great show of power in the face of the current government. We should make this a yearly event!

Of all the places, why did they have to post it on Fecesbook?

[Occupied Deutschland]

I see you are unable to justify your own ignorant opinions by referencing any of that information you supposedly observe from reality.

Seriously, we're not going to 'source' the existence of gratuitous racism in the USA for you, any more than we are going to source the fact that Washington, DC is adjacent to Maryland and Virginia. Stop wasting time.

Funnily enough, you might be correct.

Just not for the stupid reason you've given.

[Sociobiology]

I wonder if violating D.C.'s laws against open-carry is a felony.

http://dcguncase.com/blog/dc-gun-laws/

§ 7-2507.06. Penalties

Any person convicted of a violation of any provision of this unit shall be fined not more than $ 1,000 or imprisoned for not more than 1 year, or both; except that:

(1) A person who knowingly or intentionally sells, transfers, or distributes a firearm, destructive device, or ammunition to a person under 18 years of age shall be fined not more than $ 10,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.

(2) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B) of this paragraph, any person who is convicted a second time for possessing an unregistered firearm shall be fined not more than $ 5,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(B) A person who in the person’s dwelling place, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, possesses a pistol, or firearm that could otherwise be registered, shall be fined not more than $ 1,000 or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(3) A person convicted of knowingly possessing restricted pistol bullets in violation of § 7-2506.01(3) may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not to exceed 10 years and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a mandatory-minimum term of not less than 1 year and shall not be released from prison or granted probation or suspension of sentence prior to serving the mandatory-minimum sentence, and, in addition, may be fined an amount not to exceed $ 10,000.

I wonder how DC works for transport of a firearm across state lines?

[Choronzon]

Funnily enough, you might be correct.

Just not for the stupid reason you've given.

Let me guess....

IF they don't get arrested it wont be because of racially tinged double standards. Oh no. It will be because the sheer awe we all are left in after this meaningful display of People Power in the face of the oppression caused by a black man being in the White House.

[Irredento]

I wonder how DC works for transport of a firearm across state lines?

That's what I'm thinking.

With Kokesh making his plans for the march so public and inviting 10000 people to come along with him, I'm thinking they'll have a lot of trouble getting their guns past the state border on the day since the government will be prepared for it.

[Samuraikoku]

WHY ARE YOU INTOLERANT OF MUH INTOLERANCE STATIST?!?

You're just intolerant of their racism. Who's the REAL bigot now, huh? You are. You're the bigot.

How's that feel?

In fact, they're being less racist and misogynistic than we are being racist and misandristic towards them!

[Irredento]

Funnily enough, you might be correct.

Just not for the stupid reason you've given.

Let me guess....

IF they don't get arrested it wont be because of racially tinged double standards. Oh no. It will be because the sheer awe we all are left in after this meaningful display of People Power in the face of the oppression caused by a black man being in the White House.

Oh Christ, are liberals still pulling this shit? People dislike Obama because of his policies. It has nothing to do with him being black. Bringing up his race all the time in an attempt to make all of his opponents look like mere racists is just a pathetic attempt to end all real debate.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Funnily enough, you might be correct.

Just not for the stupid reason you've given.

Let me guess....

IF they don't get arrested it wont be because of racially tinged double standards. Oh no. It will be because the sheer awe we all are left in after this meaningful display of People Power in the face of the oppression caused by a black man being in the White House.

Actually, if they don't get arrested it will be because the DC code, as posted by Emerald Dawn, doesn't mandate imprisonment, but simply says a fine or imprisonment or both.

If we're using 'arrest' in the context of prison. If we're actually talking about a physical arrest, then yes. Despite your allegations that Kokesh's white skin will magically shield him, should he cross into DC he will be arrested. Police will take his gun, handcuff him, and take take him to the station for booking on charges of carrying a weapon.

[Ifreann]

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They should all be arrested, giving them a prime opportunity to fight the laws they oppose in court.

This is what anyone defending the group has been saying. As soon as they break the law, they get arrested.

Except greed and death, to whom that was addressed, who was saying that the DC police should decline to enforce this law. It was literally right before that quote, and more explicitly in later posts.

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And chances are any that show up will be driving with guns to get to DC. A double whammy.

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Arresting armed people, even if they're cooperating fully, very much should cause officers to be concerned for their safety and the safety of those around them.


Are they, though? From what I've seen of the Facebook event, they're lead by a libertarian radio host and they want to put the government on notice and show them that this is the high water mark, and that they won't submit to tyranny, and other such shite. Nothing about "We can haz legal open carry in DC pl0x". I could be missing it though, as I prefer to avoid Facebook.

They should all be arrested, giving them a prime opportunity to fight the laws they oppose in court.

I seem to think you want an incident, you want a shooting and you want a confrontation with the police. You want this to blow up because you want to make people who feel this way look dangerous.

I want the whole thing to never happen, so I can wave my correct prediction in people's faces.

I don't think they seek a challenge in the court of law, I think they seek a challenge in the court of public opinion.

If they don't want to go to court, they should abide by the law. Simple enough notion.

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Not sure what you think that proves. No one ever said that only whites owned guns. What was said was that the demographic of people who are organizing and participating in this protest are not only white, but tend to be racists. And that if some other group staged a march like this there would be no question as to the outcome: fire hoses, dogs, and paddy wagons.

I remember seeing compare and contrast images of Obama's rally versus Romney's rally, right after the election. Obama HQ in Chicago was filled with very excited, very energetic people, of all races, colors, genders.

Romney's was a bunch of sad white people in pantsuits.

It was shocking the difference in the crowds. Absolutely stunning. And lest anyone accuse it merely of being the demographics of the area, Romney held his rally in Boston. We do have black people.

Black Irish don't count.

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I saw "Koresh" organizes, and wondered if I stepped into the "Way Back" machine.

Oh, I installed a flux capacitor into your chair. Be careful when going downhill, or you might arrive before you've left.

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From what I'm reading, Kokesh seems to be an anarcho-capitalist. Challenging the state's authority in this way seems to fit pretty well with that ideology.

I would join this march if I wasn't across the Atlantic Ocean.

I'm sure you can find a way to get arrested at home.

[Choronzon]

Let me guess....

IF they don't get arrested it wont be because of racially tinged double standards. Oh no. It will be because the sheer awe we all are left in after this meaningful display of People Power in the face of the oppression caused by a black man being in the White House.

Oh Christ, are liberals still pulling this shit? People dislike Obama because of his policies. It has nothing to do with him being black. Bringing up his race all the time in an attempt to make all of his opponents look like mere racists is just a pathetic attempt to end all real debate.

So, tell me, when people held up pictures of Obama's face imposed over a witch doctor, what policy of his were they criticizing exactly? And what is the political symbolism behind the witch doctor?

Or maybe you're full of shit, and the obvious racism is obvious to anyone who isn't too willfully blind to see it.

[Samuraikoku]

Let me guess....

IF they don't get arrested it wont be because of racially tinged double standards. Oh no. It will be because the sheer awe we all are left in after this meaningful display of People Power in the face of the oppression caused by a black man being in the White House.

Actually, if they don't get arrested it will be because the DC code, as posted by Emerald Dawn, doesn't mandate imprisonment, but simply says a fine or imprisonment or both.

If we're using 'arrest' in the context of prison. If we're actually talking about a physical arrest, then yes. Despite your allegations that Kokesh's white skin will magically shield him, should he cross into DC he will be arrested. Police will take his gun, handcuff him, and take take him to the station for booking on charges of carrying a weapon.

The DC code says that he should be arrested, not that he will. If he isn't, it will be against the code. And what will have shielded him?

[Ifreann]

Oh Christ, are liberals still pulling this shit? People dislike Obama because of his policies. It has nothing to do with him being black. Bringing up his race all the time in an attempt to make all of his opponents look like mere racists is just a pathetic attempt to end all real debate.

So, tell me, when people held up pictures of Obama's face imposed over a witch doctor, what policy of his were they criticizing exactly?...

Voodoo economics?

[Choronzon]

Let me guess....

IF they don't get arrested it wont be because of racially tinged double standards. Oh no. It will be because the sheer awe we all are left in after this meaningful display of People Power in the face of the oppression caused by a black man being in the White House.

Actually, if they don't get arrested it will be because the DC code, as posted by Emerald Dawn, doesn't mandate imprisonment, but simply says a fine or imprisonment or both.

If we're using 'arrest' in the context of prison. If we're actually talking about a physical arrest, then yes. Despite your allegations that Kokesh's white skin will magically shield him, should he cross into DC he will be arrested. Police will take his gun, handcuff him, and take take him to the station for booking on charges of carrying a weapon.

I mean 'arrest" in the way informed people use the word "arrest," as in handcuffed and taken in to be booked. I didn't realize that was ever in doubt. I'm sorry. In the future when I talk to you I'll be sure to define basic vocabulary words for you to prevent future misunderstandings.

[Choronzon]

Actually, if they don't get arrested it will be because the DC code, as posted by Emerald Dawn, doesn't mandate imprisonment, but simply says a fine or imprisonment or both.

If we're using 'arrest' in the context of prison. If we're actually talking about a physical arrest, then yes. Despite your allegations that Kokesh's white skin will magically shield him, should he cross into DC he will be arrested. Police will take his gun, handcuff him, and take take him to the station for booking on charges of carrying a weapon.

The DC code says that he should be arrested, not that he will. If he isn't, it will be against the code. And what will have shielded him?

The People and his Just Cause!

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I remember seeing compare and contrast images of Obama's rally versus Romney's rally, right after the election. Obama HQ in Chicago was filled with very excited, very energetic people, of all races, colors, genders.

Romney's was a bunch of sad white people in pantsuits.

It was shocking the difference in the crowds. Absolutely stunning. And lest anyone accuse it merely of being the demographics of the area, Romney held his rally in Boston. We do have black people.

Black Irish don't count.

"There seems to be an implication that one can't be black and Irish."

[The Emerald Dawn]

I saw "Koresh" organizes, and wondered if I stepped into the "Way Back" machine.

Oh, I installed a flux capacitor into your chair. Be careful when going downhill, or you might arrive before you've left.

Once this baby gets up to 88 miles per hour, you're going to see some serious shit.

[Sociobiology]

Actually, if they don't get arrested it will be because the DC code, as posted by Emerald Dawn, doesn't mandate imprisonment, but simply says a fine or imprisonment or both.

If we're using 'arrest' in the context of prison. If we're actually talking about a physical arrest, then yes. Despite your allegations that Kokesh's white skin will magically shield him, should he cross into DC he will be arrested. Police will take his gun, handcuff him, and take take him to the station for booking on charges of carrying a weapon.

The DC code says that he should be arrested, not that he will. If he isn't, it will be against the code. And what will have shielded him?

well sometimes there is a weird protest loophole.

For instance the only legal form of public nudity is if it is in protest that public nudity is illegal.

[Samuraikoku]

The People and his Just Cause!

FIRST AMENDMENT! SECOND AMENDMENT!

[Irredento]

So, tell me, when people held up pictures of Obama's face imposed over a witch doctor, what policy of his were they criticizing exactly? And what is the political symbolism behind the witch doctor?

Because obviously if KKK type extremists dislike Obama, all of his opponents must be like that!

Or maybe you're full of shit, and the obvious racism is obvious to anyone who isn't too willfully blind to see it.

I dislike the man because he's a smirking POS who jokes about drone strikes on women and children while attempting to disarm his own people. I never realised this made me a racist until now. Thanks for enlightening me, comrade.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Actually, if they don't get arrested it will be because the DC code, as posted by Emerald Dawn, doesn't mandate imprisonment, but simply says a fine or imprisonment or both.

If we're using 'arrest' in the context of prison. If we're actually talking about a physical arrest, then yes. Despite your allegations that Kokesh's white skin will magically shield him, should he cross into DC he will be arrested. Police will take his gun, handcuff him, and take take him to the station for booking on charges of carrying a weapon.

The DC code says that he should be arrested, not that he will. If he isn't, it will be against the code. And what will have shielded him?

Being a public figure, most likely.
Seeing as it's already been shown to work with David Gregory. In both cases such a lack of enforcement is/would be wrong.

Somehow I doubt the Metropolitan Police (which, due to the demographics of the DC area, likely has some black people on it) is going to decline to arrest Kokesh based on the awesome power of his glorious white skin.

Or if they do, then the Tea Party obviously had the wrong idea. If they didn't want a black man in the White House then they should have just marched to Washington and deposed him. After all, their magical white skin would protect them from the police and secret service.

[Neo Art]

So, tell me, when people held up pictures of Obama's face imposed over a witch doctor, what policy of his were they criticizing exactly?...

Voodoo economics?

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Fair play. I'll allow it.

[Ifreann]

Black Irish don't count.

"There seems to be an implication that one can't be black and Irish."

In my experience one cannot.

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The People and his Just Cause!

FIRST AMENDMENT! SECOND AMENDMENT!

THIRD AMENDMENT! NO SOLDIERS IN MAH HOUSE!

[Ironrite]

How about a poll option that is more centrist??