Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th

[Bottle]

Just like when we make basic observations regarding obvious misogyny, we are really just being misandrists. I am familiar with the "logic" pervasive on NSG.

But in both cases, racists and misogynists do what they do because they want you to argue "well rather than fallaciously".

Oh of course! Racists and misogynists invariably have our interests at heart, and only want the very best for us.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Are you insinuating I'm unaware of the existence and goals of the various groups that lobby politicians?

I'm not so much "insinuating" it as I am "making an observation based on your total inability to wrap your head around this concept."

If you are calling me an idiot for not being able to understand why politicians can't just turn around on one of few unifying issues in the United States and tell the lobbyists to fuck off and instead near-secretly vote against it, isn't that more telling about how terrible a system you must clearly have? That is in dire need of drastic change?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Source.

The fact that we live in America.

White people get arrested for carrying guns.

Source Kokesh won't. Hell, give me an example of DC gun laws not being enforced (this is really a gimme). Maybe do something to justify your ignorant opinion rather than just spout it.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Never said it was a fact. It was a reading of Choronzon's words in the context of what he had said up to that point.

He has since clarified that his claims these people wouldn't be arrested was actually directed at the people who would be getting arrested and not those who weren't breaking the law.

You really do have no idea whats going on, do you? You have no frame of reference. You're like a kid who has just wondered into a theater in the middle of a movie...

A kid who wandered into the original Dune movie, halfway in.

[Choronzon]

isn't that more telling about how terrible a system you must clearly have? That is in dire need of drastic change?

A statement of fact that no sane person will dispute.

[Sociobiology]

Basic demographics. The overwhelming majority of gun-owners are middle-aged white men. So if you have a "gun-owners" march, who do you think is going to show up?

Actually more non white people own guns http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/

Now I am curious because the pew numbers show the exact opposite.
And of course neither site gives any information on the actual poll. so we can't tell which is right.
http://www.people-press.org/files/2013/03/3-12-13-15.png

[Choronzon]

Source Kokesh won't. Hell, give me an example of DC gun laws not being enforced (this is really a gimme). Maybe do something to justify your ignorant opinion rather than just spout it.

The fact that we live in America.

[Xsyne]

I wonder if violating D.C.'s laws against open-carry is a felony.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Source Kokesh won't. Hell, give me an example of DC gun laws not being enforced (this is really a gimme). Maybe do something to justify your ignorant opinion rather than just spout it.

The fact that we live in America.

So you have nothing.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

isn't that more telling about how terrible a system you must clearly have? That is in dire need of drastic change?

A statement of fact that no sane person will dispute.

So...

Why are you calling me an idiot for criticising the senators for not just telling the NRA to fuck off?

[Irredento]

Good luck to them. Even if they do end up arrested, it's the symbolism of this event that matters.

If one or more of them ends up dead, we'll have an honest to God gun rights martyr on our hands.

[Choronzon]

A statement of fact that no sane person will dispute.

So...

Why are you calling me an idiot for criticising the senators for not just telling the NRA to fuck off?

I'm not calling anyone an idiot. I'm saying its incorrect to say that it was all the congressman's doing, that their vote against it was "inexplicable" and that the pressure they faced is irrelevant.

None of that is true.

[Neo Art]

But in both cases, racists and misogynists do what they do because they want you to argue "well rather than fallaciously".

Oh of course! Racists and misogynists invariably have our interests at heart, and only want the very best for us.

You're just intolerant of their racism. Who's the REAL bigot now, huh? You are. You're the bigot.

How's that feel?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Actually more non white people own guns http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/

Now I am curious because the pew numbers show the exact opposite.
And of course neither site gives any information on the actual poll. so we can't tell which is right.
http://www.people-press.org/files/2013/03/3-12-13-15.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity

White or European American - 223,553,265 - 72.4 %

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

United States - guns per 100 residents - 88.8

Unless, somehow, white people are SERIOUSLY outgunned, I'm thinking that it's not true.

[Choronzon]

The fact that we live in America.

So you have nothing.

I see you are unable to form predictions and draw information from observing reality.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

So...

Why are you calling me an idiot for criticising the senators for not just telling the NRA to fuck off?

I'm not calling anyone an idiot. I'm saying its incorrect to say that it was all the congressman's doing, that their vote against it was "inexplicable" and that the pressure they faced is irrelevant.

None of that is true.

The congressman are not slaves to the lobbies and if they are, the US should probably stop enjoying its claimed position of "freest country in the world".

It's inexplicable from a perspective of logic.

[Choronzon]

I'm not calling anyone an idiot. I'm saying its incorrect to say that it was all the congressman's doing, that their vote against it was "inexplicable" and that the pressure they faced is irrelevant.

None of that is true.

The congressman are not slaves to the lobbies and if they are, the US should probably stop enjoying its claimed position of "freest country in the world".

It's inexplicable from a perspective of logic.

I'm done talking to this brick wall too.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The congressman are not slaves to the lobbies and if they are, the US should probably stop enjoying its claimed position of "freest country in the world".

It's inexplicable from a perspective of logic.

I'm done talking to this brick wall too.

I seem to need to say it again, I'm not trying to absolve the NRA of anything.
I just don't think they should have been a factor.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So you have nothing.

I see you are unable to form predictions and draw information from observing reality.

I see you are unable to justify your own ignorant opinions by referencing any of that information you supposedly observe from reality.

[Choronzon]

I'm done talking to this brick wall too.

I seem to need to say it again, I'm not trying to absolve the NRA of anything.
I just don't think they should have been a factor.

But they were. So, when discussing real world factors and how events played out in the real world what you think "should" have happened is totally irrelevant.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I wonder if violating D.C.'s laws against open-carry is a felony.

http://dcguncase.com/blog/dc-gun-laws/

§ 7-2507.06. Penalties

Any person convicted of a violation of any provision of this unit shall be fined not more than $ 1,000 or imprisoned for not more than 1 year, or both; except that:

(1) A person who knowingly or intentionally sells, transfers, or distributes a firearm, destructive device, or ammunition to a person under 18 years of age shall be fined not more than $ 10,000 or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.

(2) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B) of this paragraph, any person who is convicted a second time for possessing an unregistered firearm shall be fined not more than $ 5,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(B) A person who in the person’s dwelling place, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, possesses a pistol, or firearm that could otherwise be registered, shall be fined not more than $ 1,000 or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(3) A person convicted of knowingly possessing restricted pistol bullets in violation of § 7-2506.01(3) may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term not to exceed 10 years and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a mandatory-minimum term of not less than 1 year and shall not be released from prison or granted probation or suspension of sentence prior to serving the mandatory-minimum sentence, and, in addition, may be fined an amount not to exceed $ 10,000.

[Samuraikoku]

Oh of course! Racists and misogynists invariably have our interests at heart, and only want the very best for us.

You're just intolerant of their racism. Who's the REAL bigot now, huh? You are. You're the bigot.

How's that feel?

In fact, they're being less racist and misogynistic than we are being racist and misandristic towards them!

[Choronzon]

I see you are unable to form predictions and draw information from observing reality.

I see you are unable to justify your own ignorant opinions by referencing any of that information you supposedly observe from reality.

Seriously, we're not going to 'source' the existence of gratuitous racism in the USA for you, any more than we are going to source the fact that Washington, DC is adjacent to Maryland and Virginia. Stop wasting time.

[Irredento]

From what I'm reading, Kokesh seems to be an anarcho-capitalist. Challenging the state's authority in this way seems to fit pretty well with that ideology.

I would join this march if I wasn't across the Atlantic Ocean.

[Sociobiology]

Now I am curious because the pew numbers show the exact opposite.
And of course neither site gives any information on the actual poll. so we can't tell which is right.
http://www.people-press.org/files/2013/03/3-12-13-15.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity

White or European American - 223,553,265 - 72.4 %

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

United States - guns per 100 residents - 88.8

Unless, somehow, white people are SERIOUSLY outgunned, I'm thinking that it's not true.

which is entirely possible since gun-ownership is in the minority, like I said I would prefer a study that actually gave relevant information like the poll question and the sample size.