Open Carry March on Washington DC July 4th

[Occupied Deutschland]

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They should all be arrested, giving them a prime opportunity to fight the laws they oppose in court.

This is what anyone defending the group has been saying. As soon as they break the law, they get arrested.

[Choronzon]

It is extremely racist and is 100% true.

Lol no it is not. Did they say only whites are allowed to be in the march? There will probably be hundreds of other races.

Oh, you were serious.

When I think of the militia movement in the US, I think "multi-cultural."

Were are you getting your "facts" from?

Take a step out into the real world.

[Choronzon]

Yeah, the pro-gun movement in the USA is totally not racist! That's why, after the Trevon Martin shooting, you heard them all loudly arguing that such tragedies wouldn't happen if more black men were carrying guns for protection.

Oh wait.

Trayvon Martin could not legally carry a concealed weapon, so saying he should have would have been illegal.

And gun-rights advocates have largely accepted age limits on concealed carry licenses.

Did you intentionally miss the point because you think its cute?

[Choronzon]

there still is no question over whether they'll be arrested or not.

They will be.

No, they wont.

And if they are, I suspect we'll see you and all your gun lobby comrades making thread after thread on NSG about what an injustice it was that these fine, upstanding Real Americans were arrested for exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights.

[Greed and Death]

What constantly bugs me is that the people making the most noise about gun rights are almost invariably the very people who I trust the least with any form of dangerous equipment. I don't even feel safe knowing these people are allowed to drive, let alone own guns.

And chances are any that show up will be driving with guns to get to DC. A double whammy.

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A lot of the black panthers and new black panthers identify as Muslim I don't know if that is the case.

Self defense ? As long as the weapons are back slung and weapons on safe the officers have no reason to fear for anyone's safety. Interestingly that is the plans of the protest group carry the weapons slung across the back.

Arresting armed people, even if they're cooperating fully, very much should cause officers to be concerned for their safety and the safety of those around them.

They are an open carry group, they are protesting for allowing open carry laws.

Are they, though? From what I've seen of the Facebook event, they're lead by a libertarian radio host and they want to put the government on notice and show them that this is the high water mark, and that they won't submit to tyranny, and other such shite. Nothing about "We can haz legal open carry in DC pl0x". I could be missing it though, as I prefer to avoid Facebook.

You do this by openly carrying, without incident to show how safe open carry would be. So long as they keep their weapons back slung there is no clear and present danger. And the conduct should be allowed.

They should all be arrested, giving them a prime opportunity to fight the laws they oppose in court.

I seem to think you want an incident, you want a shooting and you want a confrontation with the police. You want this to blow up because you want to make people who feel this way look dangerous.

I don't think they seek a challenge in the court of law, I think they seek a challenge in the court of public opinion.

[Neo Art]

Oh, you were serious.

When I think of the militia movement in the US, I think "multi-cultural."

How can we forget the famous tea party slogan "It's perfectly acceptable for a black man to be in the white house, after all, we're a multi-ethnic society, and our president should represent ALL americans, and the office of the presidency should not be closed to anyone regardless race, gender, or sexuality"

That's how it went, right?

[Central Kadigan]

And gun-rights advocates have largely accepted age limits on concealed carry licenses.

What's your point? Well over 87% of NRA-members support universal background checks, and yet we saw what the "gun-rights advocates" did with that.

[Occupied Deutschland]

there still is no question over whether they'll be arrested or not.

They will be.

No, they wont.

And if they are, I suspect we'll see you and all your gun lobby comrades making thread after thread on NSG about what an injustice it was that these fine, upstanding Real Americans were arrested for exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Yes. Yes they will be. It's what they PLAN on (well, it's what Kokesh plans on).

Now, some/many might not set foot into DC, meaning they won't be breaking the law, but I hope you're not going to start whining over people not being arrested because you dislike them.

[Tyriece]

Lol no it is not. Did they say only whites are allowed to be in the march? There will probably be hundreds of other races.

Oh, you were serious.

When I think of the militia movement in the US, I think "multi-cultural."

Were are you getting your "facts" from?

Take a step out into the real world.

I did and this is what it told me http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/
if anything there will be more non white people there

[Choronzon]

I don't think they seek a challenge in the court of law, I think they seek a challenge in the court of public opinion.

No, what they "seek" is to intimidate the general populace, particularly those who disagree with them, into acquiescence by staging a blackshirt style march through the capitol.

[Wamitoria]

Oh, you were serious.

When I think of the militia movement in the US, I think "multi-cultural."

How can we forget the famous tea party slogan "It's perfectly acceptable for a black man to be in the white house, after all, we're a multi-ethnic society, and our president should represent ALL americans, and the office of the presidency should not be closed to anyone regardless race, gender, or sexuality"

That's how it went, right?

But [insert token minority loon here]!

[Choronzon]

I did and this is what it told me http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/

Not sure what you think that proves. No one ever said that only whites owned guns. What was said was that the demographic of people who are organizing and participating in this protest are not only white, but tend to be racists. And that if some other group staged a march like this there would be no question as to the outcome: fire hoses, dogs, and paddy wagons.

[Tyriece]

Is there a source some were i am missing that states only white people can march??

Basic demographics. The overwhelming majority of gun-owners are middle-aged white men. So if you have a "gun-owners" march, who do you think is going to show up?

Actually more non white people own guns http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/

[Bottle]

I advocate for the law to not be enforced in this narrow case as was done

A law can not be enforced until it is broken. Are you advocating that these men commit a federal crime?

Nah, they should just strut around making noise about how they're GUNNA break the law, and how it's their right, and how the gubmint dun have no right to stop 'em. Because freedom.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Oh, you were serious.

When I think of the militia movement in the US, I think "multi-cultural."


Take a step out into the real world.

I did and this is what it told me http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/
if anything there will be more non white people there

Hell, there's more gun-owning minorities than there are Republican minorities.
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Granted, that isn't saying much but a fifteen or so point spread doesn't seem like some racial barrier. Especially seeing as gun-control proponents are predominantly white. The only token minority they have is the mayor of Boston.

Why so racist gun-control advocates?

[Choronzon]

No, they wont.

And if they are, I suspect we'll see you and all your gun lobby comrades making thread after thread on NSG about what an injustice it was that these fine, upstanding Real Americans were arrested for exercising their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Yes. Yes they will be. It's what they PLAN on (well, it's what Kokesh plans on).

No. No one will go to jail. And if they do, you'll be on here whining about how Imam Obama is imprisoning Real Americans for exercising their rights.

Now, some/many might not set foot into DC, meaning they won't be breaking the law, but I hope you're not going to start whining over people not being arrested because you dislike them.

Oooooh, nice way to subtly imply that my goal is just arresting people I disagree with.

[Choronzon]

I did and this is what it told me http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/
if anything there will be more non white people there

Hell, there's more gun-owning minorities than there are Republican minorities.
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Granted, that isn't saying much but a fifteen or so point spread doesn't seem like some racial barrier. Especially seeing as gun-control proponents are predominantly white. The only token minority they have is the mayor of Boston.

Why so racist gun-control advocates?

I did and this is what it told me http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/

Not sure what you think that proves. No one ever said that only whites owned guns. What was said was that the demographic of people who are organizing and participating in this protest are not only white, but tend to be racists. And that if some other group staged a march like this there would be no question as to the outcome: fire hoses, dogs, and paddy wagons.

You're all so, so bad at this.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

And gun-rights advocates have largely accepted age limits on concealed carry licenses.

What's your point? Well over 87% of NRA-members support universal background checks, and yet we saw what the "gun-rights advocates" did with that.

The blame for that fiasco lies solely at the hands of the senators who inexplicably voted against.

[Greed and Death]

I advocate for the law to not be enforced in this narrow case as was done

A law can not be enforced until it is broken. Are you advocating that these men commit a federal crime?

I think these men should do what they think is right to spread their message. If they asked me I would tell them they risk a 1,000 dollar fine and 1 year in prison for this act.
But you read this law too much like Scalia, the law has the purpose of public safety, it could not be meant to discourage speech in the form of public peaceful demonstration, that presents no danger to the public.

[Neo Art]

I did and this is what it told me http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/

Not sure what you think that proves. No one ever said that only whites owned guns. What was said was that the demographic of people who are organizing and participating in this protest are not only white, but tend to be racists. And that if some other group staged a march like this there would be no question as to the outcome: fire hoses, dogs, and paddy wagons.

I remember seeing compare and contrast images of Obama's rally versus Romney's rally, right after the election. Obama HQ in Chicago was filled with very excited, very energetic people, of all races, colors, genders.

Romney's was a bunch of sad white people in pantsuits.

It was shocking the difference in the crowds. Absolutely stunning. And lest anyone accuse it merely of being the demographics of the area, Romney held his rally in Boston. We do have black people.

[Choronzon]

What's your point? Well over 87% of NRA-members support universal background checks, and yet we saw what the "gun-rights advocates" did with that.

The blame for that fiasco lies solely at the hands of the senators who inexplicably voted against.

And tell me, why do you think they voted against it? It was certainly not "inexplicable."

Or do you just bury your head in the sand and hope that all the evidence which conclusively demonstrates that the NRA is a destructive organization that has no interest in reasonable solutions to gun violence will just...go away?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Yes. Yes they will be. It's what they PLAN on (well, it's what Kokesh plans on).

No. No one will go to jail. And if they do, you'll be on here whining about how Imam Obama is imprisoning Real Americans for exercising their rights.

Now, some/many might not set foot into DC, meaning they won't be breaking the law, but I hope you're not going to start whining over people not being arrested because you dislike them.

Oooooh, nice way to subtly imply that my goal is just arresting people I disagree with.

If they don't break the law they won't go to jail.
I'm pretty sure DC law requires a find and prison sentence for breaking this law, but I'm not 100% on that. Perhaps you'd like to prove that jail time is optional?

It wasn't all that subtle. It wasn't even really an implication. More just a statement of fact.

[Bottle]

I did and this is what it told me http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-owner ... ographics/

Not sure what you think that proves. No one ever said that only whites owned guns. What was said was that the demographic of people who are organizing and participating in this protest are not only white, but tend to be racists.

You realize that by noticing and commenting on the racism of gun rights activists, you are yourself being The Real Racist Here(tm).

[Central Kadigan]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if you and your gun-totting buddies all posse-up and converge on an a major metropolitan area for the sole purpose of terrorizing people - isn't that pretty much the definition of a terrorist organization?

[Choronzon]

No. No one will go to jail. And if they do, you'll be on here whining about how Imam Obama is imprisoning Real Americans for exercising their rights.

Oooooh, nice way to subtly imply that my goal is just arresting people I disagree with.

If they don't break the law they won't go to jail.
I'm pretty sure DC law requires a find and prison sentence for breaking this law, but I'm not 100% on that. Perhaps you'd like to prove that jail time is optional?

Are you obtuse? Can you really not understand what I'm saying when I say "No one will be arrested," ? It means that the question of a sentence wont even come up, because authorities wont even make any arrests.

It wasn't all that subtle. It wasn't even really an implication. More just a statement of fact.

Its a statement of fact that I want to imprison people for disagreeing with me now, is it?