They make *what* for kids!?

[Condunum]

I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Anecdotal: Every single enlisted man I have had the fortune to talk to about this, including my best friend and his recruiter say essentially the same thing: Gun regulation is a good thing. Gun restriction, even.

The soldiers in the military aren't all gungho mother fucking badass rambo killers. They're usually just people who saw the career as a good option for them.

They're also really big on safety, kind of strange that a bunch of professional weapon handlers would be really big on keeping things safe.

I know right? Why ever would people who's careers revolve around weaponry have these opinions? It's almost as if their experiences have educated them or something.

[SaintB]

We need stupid people control.

I think that could be solved by relaxing gun regulations and taking the obvious safety warnings off of things, like the ones on plastic bags that say "Do not put over face"

WHen I was in the Navy, the aircraft carrier I served on had these huge industrial clothes dryers. On them among the other warnings was one alerting people that it should never be run with people inside it.

That's when i knew for sure that life is neither comedy nor tragedy. It's a farce.

It took cancer for Andy Kaufman to learn that lesson, so I guess that makes you ahead of the curve.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

WHen I was in the Navy, the aircraft carrier I served on had these huge industrial clothes dryers. On them among the other warnings was one alerting people that it should never be run with people inside it.

That's when i knew for sure that life is neither comedy nor tragedy. It's a farce.

It took cancer for Andy Kaufman to learn that lesson, so I guess that makes you ahead of the curve.

Yay!

[Condunum]

It very well could be used for that.

How?


Even if the second amendment is repealed, there probably won't be a popular uprising. The same exact thing happened in Australia in... 1996, IIRC, and there wasn't some sort of public uprising. People got pissed, people said they would get all violent, and then they didn't.

You...MUST not have been alive during the 90s and the militia movement.

Which is good, really. But Americans have a history of these kinds of things exploding into major causes of concern. Jesus, I feel old to remember the militia movement. And those were in response to a much smaller measure of gun control than repeal of the second amendment would be considered. (Not that repeal is possible as a source of rebellion, but we'll run with the hypothetical).

How large was the militia movement? How much of it included active military, not reserves? How much of it actually did anything besides get a special little card that says you're in a militia?

[Thoricia]

I know a bunch of the A-holes around here will flame me but I plan on buying my daughter a cricket for her 6th birthday, I do however plan on leaving it locked in the gun safe with the bolt pulled and a cable lock ran through the action.

I have no problem with that, as the rifle will be controlled by you (unlike the story in the OP). My 13 year old nephew was given a lever action .22lr for Christmas. Since before he tore the Christmas wrapping paper off the empty box, it's been sitting locked up in my brother in law's gun safe.

I'm not sure why someone would leave a loaded weapon within reach of a child much less even leaving a weapon loaded in the house where its easily accessible. My guns actions are stripped and locked, and then locked in the gun safe, the one exception to the rule is my bedside gun which is in a biometric vault next to my bed.

[Miss Defied]

But we aren't talking about that. What I'm saying is that a random rebellion fueled by paranoia isn't going to drag the military into a split.

If you repeal the second amendment, the military is going to join the rebels. I guarantee you.

Well it's a good thing no one seriously wants to repeal the second amendment then, isn't it?

[The Rich Port]

... Source.

I dare you.

What kind of a shit-bag operation are they running in the military that 75% of the military will defect over a stupid reason like a bunch of right-wing nuts murdering innocents over gun rights?

I am talking about the repeal of the second amendment and the government trying to take all weapons. I guarantee you that in that case you would see massive amounts of the military defecting.

One amendment out of a shit-ton of them is a very poor reason to defect an organization created specifically to protect the rights of the American people.

What PROOF do you have that they would?

Also, who the hell has ever talked about repealing the second amendment in this thread?

[Cosara]

I am talking about the repeal of the second amendment and the government trying to take all weapons. I guarantee you that in that case you would see massive amounts of the military defecting.

One amendment out of a shit-ton of them is a very poor reason to defect an organization created specifically to protect the rights of the American people.

What PROOF do you have that they would?

Also, who the hell has ever talked about repealing the second amendment in this thread?

Read this thread from the start. You will see many people saying that they hate the Second Amendment.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I am talking about the repeal of the second amendment and the government trying to take all weapons. I guarantee you that in that case you would see massive amounts of the military defecting.

One amendment out of a shit-ton of them is a very poor reason to defect an organization created specifically to protect the rights of the American people.

What PROOF do you have that they would?

Also, who the hell has ever talked about repealing the second amendment in this thread?

To be fair, if they took back #13, I'd be pretty peeved off.

I have soft skin, I can't go back there.

[Kronikta]

Though it is not my child, so thus not my place to judge on parenting, I will say that I think it is a better idea to get the child a bee bee gun. It's like training wheels, or pull ups... A nonlethal way to teach a child how to properly handle firearms. I got a Red Rider when I was five - still have it too. Now I've used a sizable array of firearms with no incident.

[Occupied Deutschland]

You...MUST not have been alive during the 90s and the militia movement.

Which is good, really. But Americans have a history of these kinds of things exploding into major causes of concern. Jesus, I feel old to remember the militia movement. And those were in response to a much smaller measure of gun control than repeal of the second amendment would be considered. (Not that repeal is possible as a source of rebellion, but we'll run with the hypothetical).

How large was the militia movement? How much of it included active military, not reserves? How much of it actually did anything besides get a special little card that says you're in a militia?

Ay-yi-yi. Running off pure memory, I remember people muttering of militias being about 50,000 people across the US, with no estimate of active or reseve military (though there were famous examples of ex-military or reserve personell 'training' them).

Never did too much, but mainly because the whole idea was opposing US government overreach that didn't come.

[Gun Manufacturers]

How is the government going to afford to pay for all those psychological profiles every x amount of years?

Pay to renew your license.

A psychologist is going to be pretty expensive per hour (and I doubt you'd be able to do a proper psychological examination in only one hour, we're not developing film here), something like a $70 fee paid once every 5 years (using Connecticut's pistol permit fee schedule as an example) isn't going to cover it.

[Thoricia]

A good chunk of them come from rural populations too were gun rights are still held in high regard.

Yes, a sizable minority is.

Yes a very "sizeable" minority from mostly red states.
Source
Source

[Condunum]

How large was the militia movement? How much of it included active military, not reserves? How much of it actually did anything besides get a special little card that says you're in a militia?

Ay-yi-yi. Running off pure memory, I remember people muttering of militias being about 50,000 people across the US, with no estimate of active or reseve military (though there were famous examples of ex-military or reserve personell 'training' them).

Never did too much, but mainly because the whole idea was opposing US government overreach that didn't come.

Then I won't give it much credibility. When it comes down to it, movements like that are three parts voice, one part action.

[The Rich Port]

One amendment out of a shit-ton of them is a very poor reason to defect an organization created specifically to protect the rights of the American people.

What PROOF do you have that they would?

Also, who the hell has ever talked about repealing the second amendment in this thread?

To be fair, if they took back #13, I'd be pretty peeved off.

I have soft skin, I can't go back there.

Guns don't have rights, people do.

NOBODY is going back there.

[Neo Arcad]

You...MUST not have been alive during the 90s and the militia movement.

Which is good, really. But Americans have a history of these kinds of things exploding into major causes of concern. Jesus, I feel old to remember the militia movement. And those were in response to a much smaller measure of gun control than repeal of the second amendment would be considered. (Not that repeal is possible as a source of rebellion, but we'll run with the hypothetical).

How large was the militia movement? How much of it included active military, not reserves? How much of it actually did anything besides get a special little card that says you're in a militia?

You're missing the point.
No one is going to rebel if the 2nd Amendment is legally repealed without any form of fraud. But that's a political impossibility. Thus, the situation we are dealing with here is a popular anti-government uprising as a response to the government attempting to take away guns CONTRARY TO THE CONSTITUTION. Again, this is assuming that the thing the government's doing is unconstitutional. Each and every servicemember in the armed forces swears an oath to defend the Constitution. They are literally contractually bound to defend the document before they defend the government. Thus, it's not unreasonable to assume that 75% of them will do so, or at least refuse to prevent the popular overthrow of the government.

AGAIN: THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION WHEREIN THE ACTIONS THE PEOPLE ARE REVOLTING AGAINST ARE ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I feel the need to remind you because I know you'll forget within a couple posts.

[Condunum]

Yes, a sizable minority is.

Yes a very "sizeable" minority from mostly red states.
Source
Source

That's... From, what I can tell... Something along the lines of 37-38%?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Ay-yi-yi. Running off pure memory, I remember people muttering of militias being about 50,000 people across the US, with no estimate of active or reseve military (though there were famous examples of ex-military or reserve personell 'training' them).

Never did too much, but mainly because the whole idea was opposing US government overreach that didn't come.

Then I won't give it much credibility. When it comes down to it, movements like that are three parts voice, one part action.

Which is great.

Seeing as we don't live in a dictatorship, that voice is heard and makes things get done or keeps them from getting done. Like the recent gun control business. No 'action' needed if its not justified.

[Condunum]

How large was the militia movement? How much of it included active military, not reserves? How much of it actually did anything besides get a special little card that says you're in a militia?

You're missing the point.
No one is going to rebel if the 2nd Amendment is legally repealed without any form of fraud. But that's a political impossibility. Thus, the situation we are dealing with here is a popular anti-government uprising as a response to the government attempting to take away guns CONTRARY TO THE CONSTITUTION. Again, this is assuming that the thing the government's doing is unconstitutional. Each and every servicemember in the armed forces swears an oath to defend the Constitution. They are literally contractually bound to defend the document before they defend the government. Thus, it's not unreasonable to assume that 75% of them will do so, or at least refuse to prevent the popular overthrow of the government.

AGAIN: THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION WHEREIN THE ACTIONS THE PEOPLE ARE REVOLTING AGAINST ARE ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I feel the need to remind you because I know you'll forget within a couple posts.

I'd say it's extremely unreasonable to assume 75% will, because there's nothing to actually suggest otherwise.

And obviously we're talking about two different situations, so this conversation is moot.

[Condunum]

Then I won't give it much credibility. When it comes down to it, movements like that are three parts voice, one part action.

Which is great.

Seeing as we don't live in a dictatorship, that voice is heard and makes things get done or keeps them from getting done. Like the recent gun control business. No 'action' needed if its not justified.

What I meant is that it's mostly bark. Not much bite.

[Neo Arcad]

You're missing the point.
No one is going to rebel if the 2nd Amendment is legally repealed without any form of fraud. But that's a political impossibility. Thus, the situation we are dealing with here is a popular anti-government uprising as a response to the government attempting to take away guns CONTRARY TO THE CONSTITUTION. Again, this is assuming that the thing the government's doing is unconstitutional. Each and every servicemember in the armed forces swears an oath to defend the Constitution. They are literally contractually bound to defend the document before they defend the government. Thus, it's not unreasonable to assume that 75% of them will do so, or at least refuse to prevent the popular overthrow of the government.

AGAIN: THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION WHEREIN THE ACTIONS THE PEOPLE ARE REVOLTING AGAINST ARE ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I feel the need to remind you because I know you'll forget within a couple posts.

I'd say it's extremely unreasonable to assume 75% will, because there's nothing to actually suggest otherwise.

And obviously we're talking about two different situations, so this conversation is moot.

What situation are you going to pretend you were talking about this whole time, then?

[Gun Manufacturers]

How is the government going to afford to pay for all those psychological profiles every x amount of years?

They could videotape them and compile the most interesting bits into a tv show. America's Funniest Psychiatric Examinations!

If you suggest Bob Saget or Dave Coulier as a host, I may have to slap you serious (as opposed to slapping you silly).

[Sedikal]

Really? Why would a parent give a five year old a fucking gun? I mean I can understand letting a 5 year old shoot a .22 with close parent supoervision but come on you don't give a five year old a while steak so why the fuck should he have a .22?

[The Rich Port]

One amendment out of a shit-ton of them is a very poor reason to defect an organization created specifically to protect the rights of the American people.

What PROOF do you have that they would?

Also, who the hell has ever talked about repealing the second amendment in this thread?

Read this thread from the start. You will see many people saying that they hate the Second Amendment.

... No. You do realize that's hundreds of posts, right? I couldn't read them all in a day if I wanted to.

And I take it back. Why does it even matter? Are any of them congresspeople?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Which is great.

Seeing as we don't live in a dictatorship, that voice is heard and makes things get done or keeps them from getting done. Like the recent gun control business. No 'action' needed if its not justified.

What I meant is that it's mostly bark. Not much bite.

And what's that based off of? Because the 'line' these militia groups formed around (Second Amendment, usually) was never crossed, so there was no reason for them to bite. Barking served them well enough, so the bite was never needed. This is the whole premise they were formed around.

Although you could look up the Montana Militia in Justus as an example of action being taken.