They make *what* for kids!?

[The Rich Port]

To be fair, that was a close call.

To be "unfair", nobody in their right mind would join this really stupid rebellion.

Are the "rebels" going to give the soldiers their paychecks?

Or will the Neo-Confederates use bullets as currency?

Besides, this is assuming it will be a large enough contingent to actually contest the U.S. Fucking Military.

You're right, the government can't fight the military. That's why you can't just start taking away guns left and right.

... You're confused.

I'll give you this. MAYBE there will be some defections.

What makes you think it'll be a large enough number to contest the current government?

Who is going to lead the Neo-Confederate Army?

How big does it have to be to even be representative of the entirety of the U.S.'s desire for guns?

If anything, a violent rebellion will be all the ammunition (pun intended) the government will need to ban guns.

[SaintB]

We need stupid people control.

I think that could be solved by relaxing gun regulations and taking the obvious safety warnings off of things, like the ones on plastic bags that say "Do not put over face"

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Regulations meaning:

1. Must show license to purchase a gun (close the gun show loopholes)
2. Must have background checks to purchase a gun if license is not present
3. Must have background checks and psychological profiling every X amount of years to determine gun ownership eligibility.
4. Revoke right to own or operate a firearm if the offender has broken the law (depending on the law broken).

Something along those lines.

How is the government going to afford to pay for all those psychological profiles every x amount of years?

They could videotape them and compile the most interesting bits into a tv show. America's Funniest Psychiatric Examinations!

[Agymnum]

We need stupid people control.

I think that could be solved by relaxing gun regulations and taking the obvious safety warnings off of things, like the ones on plastic bags that say "Do not put over face"

It's like eugenics, but less intrusive and more natural! *nods*

[Condunum]

But we aren't talking about that. What I'm saying is that a random rebellion fueled by paranoia isn't going to drag the military into a split.

If you repeal the second amendment, the military is going to join the rebels. I guarantee you.

I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Anecdotal: Every single enlisted man I have had the fortune to talk to about this, including my best friend and his recruiter say essentially the same thing: Gun regulation is a good thing. Gun restriction, even.

The soldiers in the military aren't all gungho mother fucking badass rambo killers. They're usually just people who saw the career as a good option for them.

[Neo Arcad]

How about we do?

I'm not really up for debate on the viability of unconventional warfare, it kind of speaks for itself.

Then why are you posting here? It's a debate forum. Bicker or GTFO.

Guaranteed, actually. I would be shocked if the military actually followed an order to suppress a popular uprising, especially if it was in defense of the second amendment.

I don't doubt defection, I doubt large-scale defection. Most of the logistical command wouldn't defect, the most we'd have are AWOL NCOs and enlisted men.

I've argued this point before: the military is an independent organization, and it stands in defense of the Constitution. Unless you actually repeal the 2nd Amendment, which is a political impossibility because it's stupid, you can practically count on the military overthrowing the government when they attempt to take away guns en masse.

But we aren't talking about that. What I'm saying is that a random rebellion fueled by paranoia isn't going to drag the military into a split.

The argument I am demolishing here is that the military could be used to suppress internal revolts with violence. This is clearly untrue. Therefore, the most potent force the government could feasibly summon against this insurrection, regardless of its motivation, is the FBI. But even if it were bolstered by the ATF and other agencies, the FBI couldn't take on a popular revolt.

[Lemanrussland]

How about we do?

I'm not really up for debate on the viability of unconventional warfare, it kind of speaks for itself.

Then why are you posting here? It's a debate forum. Bicker or GTFO.

Not necessarily, this is just a place for general discussion. I don't have to entertain arguments with people in order to post here. If the government ordered the military to start shooting civilians (over gun rights, or anything else), I'm pretty sure it would look something like the February Revolution. You would have soldiers turning on their commanding officers and joining the rebels in an instant. The idea that a divided US military is capable of putting down a general revolt in a country of over 300 million people, with almost 90 firearms for every 100 people is ridiculous. It's struggling to do that in Afghanistan.

[Condunum]

Entirely reasonable.

Are you being serious or not serious?

It's hard for me to tell right now cuz I'm so stressed out from work. <.<

I'm being serious. And likewise, which is why I'm posting with such brevity.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

We need stupid people control.

I think that could be solved by relaxing gun regulations and taking the obvious safety warnings off of things, like the ones on plastic bags that say "Do not put over face"

It's like eugenics, but less intrusive and more natural! *nods*

So plastic bags are now just really late condoms?

[Agymnum]

It's like eugenics, but less intrusive and more natural! *nods*

So plastic bags are now just really late condoms?

99.9% effective, indeed.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I live in Tennessee and even I can say that I don't know of anyone who gives their 5 year old a gun, much less let him play with one. Are there some out there? Much more than likely, I just haven't met them.

I know a bunch of the A-holes around here will flame me but I plan on buying my daughter a cricket for her 6th birthday, I do however plan on leaving it locked in the gun safe with the bolt pulled and a cable lock ran through the action.

I have no problem with that, as the rifle will be controlled by you (unlike the story in the OP). My 13 year old nephew was given a lever action .22lr for Christmas. Since before he tore the Christmas wrapping paper off the empty box, it's been sitting locked up in my brother in law's gun safe.

[Condunum]

Then why are you posting here? It's a debate forum. Bicker or GTFO.


I don't doubt defection, I doubt large-scale defection. Most of the logistical command wouldn't defect, the most we'd have are AWOL NCOs and enlisted men.


But we aren't talking about that. What I'm saying is that a random rebellion fueled by paranoia isn't going to drag the military into a split.

The argument I am demolishing here is that the military could be used to suppress internal revolts with violence.

It very well could be used for that.

This is clearly untrue.

How?

Therefore, the most potent force the government could feasibly summon against this insurrection, regardless of its motivation, is the FBI. But even if it were bolstered by the ATF and other agencies, the FBI couldn't take on a popular revolt.

Even if the second amendment is repealed, there probably won't be a popular uprising. The same exact thing happened in Australia in... 1996, IIRC, and there wasn't some sort of public uprising. People got pissed, people said they would get all violent, and then they didn't.

[SaintB]

If you repeal the second amendment, the military is going to join the rebels. I guarantee you.

I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Anecdotal: Every single enlisted man I have had the fortune to talk to about this, including my best friend and his recruiter say essentially the same thing: Gun regulation is a good thing. Gun restriction, even.

The soldiers in the military aren't all gungho mother fucking badass rambo killers. They're usually just people who saw the career as a good option for them.

They're also really big on safety, kind of strange that a bunch of professional weapon handlers would be really big on keeping things safe.

[Thoricia]

If you repeal the second amendment, the military is going to join the rebels. I guarantee you.

I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Anecdotal: Every single enlisted man I have had the fortune to talk to about this, including my best friend and his recruiter say essentially the same thing: Gun regulation is a good thing. Gun restriction, even.

The soldiers in the military aren't all gungho mother fucking badass rambo killers. They're usually just people who saw the career as a good option for them.

A good chunk of them come from rural populations too were gun rights are still held in high regard.

[Cosara]

You're right, the government can't fight the military. That's why you can't just start taking away guns left and right.

... You're confused.

I'll give you this. MAYBE there will be some defections.

What makes you think it'll be a large enough number to contest the current government?

Who is going to lead the Neo-Confederate Army?

How big does it have to be to even be representative of the entirety of the U.S.'s desire for guns?

If anything, a violent rebellion will be all the ammunition (pun intended) the government will need to ban guns.

So you're seriously saying that the military will go with whatever bullshit the government does? No, they won't. If you repeal the second amendment and try to take all guns, there will be an uprising and you will almost certainly see massive amounts of the military fighting the government.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

We need stupid people control.

I think that could be solved by relaxing gun regulations and taking the obvious safety warnings off of things, like the ones on plastic bags that say "Do not put over face"

WHen I was in the Navy, the aircraft carrier I served on had these huge industrial clothes dryers. On them among the other warnings was one alerting people that it should never be run with people inside it.

That's when i knew for sure that life is neither comedy nor tragedy. It's a farce.

[The Rich Port]

You understand that when the south seceded because they claimed the north to be violating their right to slavery, the south got their asses handed to them, right?

That's because 75% of the United States Military was not defecting to help them. In the event of a civil war resulting from a repeal of the second amendment, there would be massive amounts of the US Military defecting.

... Source.

I dare you.

What kind of a shit-bag operation are they running in the military that 75% of the military will defect over a stupid reason like a bunch of right-wing nuts murdering innocents over gun rights?

[Agymnum]

I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Anecdotal: Every single enlisted man I have had the fortune to talk to about this, including my best friend and his recruiter say essentially the same thing: Gun regulation is a good thing. Gun restriction, even.

The soldiers in the military aren't all gungho mother fucking badass rambo killers. They're usually just people who saw the career as a good option for them.

They're also really big on safety, kind of strange that a bunch of professional weapon handlers would be really big on keeping things safe.

Maybe because they know the power of the weapons they use on a regular basis, and they respect that power?

[Miss Defied]

Aggravating what situation? It isn't pointless because it specifically addresses the poster I was speaking to with my credibility comment.
What was pointless was your "why u take peeple srsly" comment. In case you missed it, I was commenting based on the following exchange:




A former poster, The Mongol Ilkhanate, crashed and burned here because he constantly made shit up, was called out on making shit up and then admitted to making shit up. I was letting The Broken Imperial Sector know that it probably isn't a wise course of action to take. 

This part that I have bolded is a snarky little comment, again pretty pointless, I have a few family members as well that supplement their diet with wild game on a regular basis, in fact there's a town east of here that most of the population is dirt ass poor that supplement there diet with wild game, if you don't believe that it's more of an issue with you I believe because you most likely come from a city and can't understand the concept.

Since this thread is already being jacked in so many different directions, I'll be brief.
That little paragraph you typed up there ^^^^^ has fuck-all to do with the thread and the comment I made in reference to his admission that he made shit up. I'm sorry you don't get that. I'm sorry that you are so far off point that the point is here next to me in RURAL Pennsylvania and you seem to be on freaking Pluto.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

We need stupid people control.

I think that could be solved by relaxing gun regulations and taking the obvious safety warnings off of things, like the ones on plastic bags that say "Do not put over face"

WHen I was in the Navy, the aircraft carrier I served on had these huge industrial clothes dryers. On them among the other warnings was one alerting people that it should never be run with people inside it.

That's when i knew for sure that life is neither comedy nor tragedy. It's a farce.

Hey, boredom kills more braincells than alcohol.

[Condunum]

I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Anecdotal: Every single enlisted man I have had the fortune to talk to about this, including my best friend and his recruiter say essentially the same thing: Gun regulation is a good thing. Gun restriction, even.

The soldiers in the military aren't all gungho mother fucking badass rambo killers. They're usually just people who saw the career as a good option for them.

A good chunk of them come from rural populations too were gun rights are still held in high regard.

Yes, a sizable minority is.

[Occupied Deutschland]

The argument I am demolishing here is that the military could be used to suppress internal revolts with violence.

It very well could be used for that.

This is clearly untrue.

How?

Therefore, the most potent force the government could feasibly summon against this insurrection, regardless of its motivation, is the FBI. But even if it were bolstered by the ATF and other agencies, the FBI couldn't take on a popular revolt.

Even if the second amendment is repealed, there probably won't be a popular uprising. The same exact thing happened in Australia in... 1996, IIRC, and there wasn't some sort of public uprising. People got pissed, people said they would get all violent, and then they didn't.

You...MUST not have been alive during the 90s and the militia movement.

Which is good, really. But Americans have a history of these kinds of things exploding into major causes of concern. Jesus, I feel old to remember the militia movement. And those were in response to a much smaller measure of gun control than repeal of the second amendment would be considered. (Not that repeal is possible as a source of rebellion, but we'll run with the hypothetical).

[Cosara]

That's because 75% of the United States Military was not defecting to help them. In the event of a civil war resulting from a repeal of the second amendment, there would be massive amounts of the US Military defecting.

... Source.

I dare you.

What kind of a shit-bag operation are they running in the military that 75% of the military will defect over a stupid reason like a bunch of right-wing nuts murdering innocents over gun rights?

I am talking about the repeal of the second amendment and the government trying to take all weapons. I guarantee you that in that case you would see massive amounts of the military defecting.

[Gun Manufacturers]

That's because 75% of the United States Military was not defecting to help them. In the event of a civil war resulting from a repeal of the second amendment, there would be massive amounts of the US Military defecting.

One group is fighting for the federal government. The other is fighting against it.

Soldiers are paid by the federal government, and money rings louder than gun rights do.

Soldiers swear an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, not the government. Many soldiers I've heard from take their oath VERY seriously.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

WHen I was in the Navy, the aircraft carrier I served on had these huge industrial clothes dryers. On them among the other warnings was one alerting people that it should never be run with people inside it.

That's when i knew for sure that life is neither comedy nor tragedy. It's a farce.

Hey, boredom kills more braincells than alcohol.

Truth.