They make *what* for kids!?

[Cosara]

"I'm for freedom, but fuck the Bill of Rights!"

Not all of it. Just the second amendment.

Yeah, just repeal the second amendment and confiscate the guns. We'll turn into Mexico.

[Liriena]

Often, I hate that cliché argument of "think of the children". Overprotective and unwittingly megalomaniacal parents infuriate me...but it is at this point that I draw the line. Honestly, I do honestly believe that childhood is supposed to be joyous and innocent, not marred by violence, or the glorification of it.

Because giving your kid a gun is like saying "it's fun to kill son go and kill kill kill!" right?

In a very strawman-ish nutshell? Yes.

[Farnhamia]

You've been here long enough to know what "source" means.

I've got the source at least in book review form.

http://www.slate.com/articles/Arts/books/2011/10/steven_pinker_s_the_better_angels_of_our_nature_why_should_you_b.html

Thank you.

Nothing to do with guns, though.

Pinker attributes the decline of violence to numerous mutually reinforcing factors that are likely to sound familiar. At the top of the list is the rise of the modern state, which suppresses the violence of citizens and adjudicates disputes by means of police and courts. What is more, democracies rarely if ever fight against each other; over the past century the percentage of humanity living under democratic regimes has surged from 12 to over 60 percent. The growing empowerment of women has played an important role; when women gain access to birth control violence tends to subside along with population growth. The rise of international trade, which makes nations increasingly dependent on each other, has helped, too. So have mass media and the spread of literacy, which promote empathy for others beyond our family, tribe, nation, and even species.

Pinker keeps coming back to reason as the key to our ongoing pacification. Reason helps us see the destructive consequences of submitting to our violence-perpetuating "demons," notably our desire for power and vengeance. Through reason we can understand the destructive consequences of violence, even against those whom we fear, and we can appreciate the benefits of cooperation. Reason has propelled the growing, global recognition of the rights of women, children, homosexuals, racial and religious minorities, and other often-abused groups.

The rise of the modern state being at the top of his list is amusing, since the modern state seems to be at the top of the list of things gun advocates are afraid of.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

"I'm for freedom, but fuck the Bill of Rights!"

Being for freedom and being against portions of the US constitution are not mutually exclusive.

It's almost like someone just said that to him...

[Farnhamia]

Not all of it. Just the second amendment.

Yeah, just repeal the second amendment and confiscate the guns. We'll turn into Mexico.

Again you're confiscating guns. Please stop.

[The Whispers]

Hungerford guy, Lanza, and Weird Haired Cinema Guy all used semi automatic weapons. Killed plenty of people.

Name more.

I can give you twenty that used pistols for every one you give me.

No doubt. I'm generally against firearm ownership, and live in a country where (most of) our police go unarmed.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Well shit I live in Kentucky! But this is the parents fault not the god damn gun company's fault! That rifle was made for little kids to use not to be left out in the open without supervision.

Right, I'm sure people were beating down the doors of the gun manufacturers, clamoring for guns made especially for their little ones. Uh huh.

Well, some were. I had to get the door replaced twice.

[San-Silvacian]

Hungerford guy, Lanza, and Weird Haired Cinema Guy all used semi automatic weapons. Killed plenty of people.

True but it would have been worse if they had hundred round drum clips.

If you are going to attempt to make your issues with firearms valid.

Use proper terminology.

[Machtergreifung]

Not all of it. Just the second amendment.

Yeah, just repeal the second amendment and confiscate the guns. We'll turn into Mexico.

Where guns aren't a problem at all hurray!

[Tzarsgrad]

Regulate Knives. Regulate bows and arrows. Regulate spears...

I'm pretty sure they are all regulated one way or the other already.

Nice try, though.

If it's illegal to own brass knuckles, I'd think it's reasonable to at least regulate some of these.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

*cough*liberal*cough*

Don't insult me I haven't said shit to you.

It was just a joke, but NS seems to be rubbing off on you.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Because giving your kid a gun is like saying "it's fun to kill son go and kill kill kill!" right?

Excuse me, my good man.
Can you please stop typing, step away from your computer, and beat yourself about the head with a grammar textbook?
You're making the other people who are trying to argue from your point of view look dumber by association.

I would but I don't take orders from you and I don't have a grammar text book. But I do have a few military history books will that work?

[Mavorpen]

Not all of it. Just the second amendment.

Yeah, just repeal the second amendment and confiscate the guns. We'll turn into Mexico.

Do you seriously believe erasing the second amendment will magically cause your gun to disappear?

[Thoricia]

Regulate Knives. Regulate bows and arrows. Regulate spears...

I'm pretty sure they are all regulated one way or the other already.

Nice try, though.

Could you source me some of these bow and arrow regulations?

[Agymnum]

Not all of it. Just the second amendment.

Yeah, just repeal the second amendment and confiscate the guns. We'll turn into Mexico.

Man whatever the fuck happened to regulating?

"You're for regulating cars? FUCK YOU LET'S BAN ALL CARS THEN AND SEE HOW YOU LIKE IT!"

"Regulate planes? FUCK YOU LET'S BAN ALL AIR TRAVEL!"

No logic.

[San-Silvacian]

Name more.

I can give you twenty that used pistols for every one you give me.

No doubt. I'm generally against firearm ownership, and live in a country where (most of) our police go unarmed.

Which country?

[Liriena]

OK so the alternative to restricting access to firearms is basically Potential Retard DNA Sterilisation.

Is this really the way forward?

I would actually be for this (other then the obvious restrictions of freedom), it would sure cut down on the liberals and conservatives.

I love it when people go around boasting about not being a liberal or a conservative, and ranting against both.

[Neo Arcad]

I'd gladly tell them that.

Good for you for standing up for your poor-hating beliefs I guess.

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[Occupied Deutschland]

Your argument is invalid.

Recreational shooting is not the reason firearms were invented.

Much like claiming that the reason paper was invented was to play paper football, or perhaps that the reason cars was invented was for NASCAR (1).

In any case, recreational shooting is practice for the eventuality of using a gun to kill a living organism (2) - much how recreational swimming is practice for the eventuality of needing to swim if you're on a sinking ship or are knocked off a pier.

1) So you're arguing things can ONLY have the purpose they were invented for? That's obviously lunacy, and I think you know that already despite your cute examples.

2) Source. Prove that that's all it is. Because you can't and I'm tired of this bullshit.

[Agymnum]

Excuse me, my good man.
Can you please stop typing, step away from your computer, and beat yourself about the head with a grammar textbook?
You're making the other people who are trying to argue from your point of view look dumber by association.

I would but I don't take orders from you and I don't have a grammar text book. But I do have a few military history books will that work?

Get off your fucking high horse. We don't like internet tough shits around here.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Don't insult me I haven't said shit to you.

It was just a joke, but NS seems to be rubbing off on you.

Oh god I hope not I can't stand the idea of being a pinko.

[Cosara]

Yeah, just repeal the second amendment and confiscate the guns. We'll turn into Mexico.

Again you're confiscating guns. Please stop.

The last four words makes it obvious that I was saying it was a bad thing.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

I would but I don't take orders from you and I don't have a grammar text book. But I do have a few military history books will that work?

Get off your fucking high horse. We don't like internet tough shits around here.

WTF? I was being honest but what ever....

[Agymnum]

It was just a joke, but NS seems to be rubbing off on you.

Oh god I hope not I can't stand the idea of being a pinko.

Liberal =/= Communist 'pinko'

Also, not a wise idea to offend the Communists on here. They get really snappy when you do that.

[The Whispers]

No doubt. I'm generally against firearm ownership, and live in a country where (most of) our police go unarmed.

Which country?

That UK place, where we're constantly being killed by our army due to being defenceless etc.