They make *what* for kids!?

[YellowApple]

Because most of the militia is at home. SO are their families, all of which have also have the right to keep and bear arms. The PEOPLE have that right, not the milita.

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

So if a crisis which warrants utilization of the militia arises at home, I am expected to ride my bike over to the nearest store which sells ammunition suitable for adequate defense of myself and my family (since said store is 50 miles away, and I don't own an automobile)? Or should I, you know, buy the ammunition in advance so I don't have to go on a day-long round-trip bike ride and come home to a completely-destroyed residence and killed/captured family?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Remind me to visit should I ever be in the area.

You will be more than welcome. We can crack a few brews, and shoot a few rounds. Not at the same time of course. Alcohol and guns do not mix.

Well, unless you're cleaning cosmoline off a particularly thickly coated piece.

Vodka is universal cosmoline solvent!

[Thoricia]

Yeah no hollow points or expansion bullet for handguns.

Hurh? That restriction only applies to the military. Civilians are not only allowed to own them, but for defensive purposes, tend to prefer them. With good reason I might add.

I look again but I'm pretty sure its restricted on private sales too.

[Big Jim P]

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

So if a crisis which warrants utilization of the militia arises at home, I am expected to ride my bike over to the nearest store which sells ammunition suitable for adequate defense of myself and my family (since said store is 50 miles away, and I don't own an automobile)? Or should I, you know, buy the ammunition in advance so I don't have to go on a day-long round-trip bike ride and come home to a completely-destroyed residence and killed/captured family?

Actually, you should have a reasonable battery and a reasonable stockpile of ammo on hand.

[Gauthier]

Government handouts are okay when they're guns.

It's not a handout, it's a stimulus.

And still it's okay when it involves guns apparently.

[DaWoad]

Yeah no hollow points or expansion bullet for handguns.

Hurh? That restriction only applies to the military. Civilians are not only allowed to own them, but for defensive purposes, tend to prefer them. With good reason I might add.

because they kill people more horrifically and are less likely to go through walls and cause "collateral damage"

[Mavorpen]

No. This is why I don't use Wikipedia for definitions unless it's sourced.

Well then to avoid further confusion, maybe YOU ought to tell me what YOUR definition is.

I'm so fucking confused with this Wikipedia article. First it says "collective rights" model, then it states the "sophisticated collective rights model." But then later it refers to the "sophisticated" as just the "collective rights model."

The first, known as the "states' rights" or "collective rights" model, holds that the Second Amendment does not apply to individuals; rather, it recognizes the right of each state to arm its militia.

The second, known as the "sophisticated collective rights model", holds that the Second Amendment recognizes some limited individual right. However, this individual right could only be exercised by actively participating members of a functioning, organized state militia.

The first more closely related to what I am referring to, but it's not necessarily true that it doesn't apply to the individuals, it applies to the individual right to bear arms in the context of preserving and maintaining an effective militia.

[DaWoad]

So if a crisis which warrants utilization of the militia arises at home, I am expected to ride my bike over to the nearest store which sells ammunition suitable for adequate defense of myself and my family (since said store is 50 miles away, and I don't own an automobile)? Or should I, you know, buy the ammunition in advance so I don't have to go on a day-long round-trip bike ride and come home to a completely-destroyed residence and killed/captured family?

Actually, you should have a reasonable battery and a reasonable stockpile of ammo on hand.

please tell me you don't buy into the red dawn fantasy Jim, I respect you to much to want to believe that of you.

[Big Jim P]

Hurh? That restriction only applies to the military. Civilians are not only allowed to own them, but for defensive purposes, tend to prefer them. With good reason I might add.

I look again but I'm pretty sure its restricted on private sales too.

No it is not. Hollow points are commonly sold with no more restriction than ball ammo.

[YellowApple]

So if a crisis which warrants utilization of the militia arises at home, I am expected to ride my bike over to the nearest store which sells ammunition suitable for adequate defense of myself and my family (since said store is 50 miles away, and I don't own an automobile)? Or should I, you know, buy the ammunition in advance so I don't have to go on a day-long round-trip bike ride and come home to a completely-destroyed residence and killed/captured family?

Actually, you should have a reasonable battery and a reasonable stockpile of ammo on hand.

The latter of which I would not (legally) have if I am disallowed from keeping ammunition in my home and have to purchase it the moment it's needed.

[DaWoad]

You will be more than welcome. We can crack a few brews, and shoot a few rounds. Not at the same time of course. Alcohol and guns do not mix.

Well, unless you're cleaning cosmoline off a particularly thickly coated piece.

Vodka is universal cosmoline solvent!

gasoline works better if you avoid the fumes/blowing yourself up.

[Mavorpen]

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

So if a crisis which warrants utilization of the militia arises at home, I am expected to ride my bike over to the nearest store which sells ammunition suitable for adequate defense of myself and my family (since said store is 50 miles away, and I don't own an automobile)? Or should I, you know, buy the ammunition in advance so I don't have to go on a day-long round-trip bike ride and come home to a completely-destroyed residence and killed/captured family?

Thanks for extrapolating a hilarious straw man from my simple post.

No. You can purchase the ammo to store beforehand in your home.

[Mavorpen]

Actually, you should have a reasonable battery and a reasonable stockpile of ammo on hand.

The latter of which I would not (legally) have if I am disallowed from keeping ammunition in my home and have to purchase it the moment it's needed.

No one said you would be disallowed. Stop reading things that aren't there.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Right now the only bumper sticker is:

[Big Jim P]

Actually, you should have a reasonable battery and a reasonable stockpile of ammo on hand.

please tell me you don't buy into the red dawn fantasy Jim, I respect you to much to want to believe that of you.

No I do not. A basic battery consists of a rifle, a handgun and a shotgun. My idea of a reasonable stockpile of ammo is a complete loadout for the battery, the remaining ammo in the opened box, and one box in reserve. More ammo should you find it at a good price.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I look again but I'm pretty sure its restricted on private sales too.

No it is not. Hollow points are commonly sold with no more restriction than ball ammo.

I bet he's thinking of Black Talons.

[YellowApple]

So if a crisis which warrants utilization of the militia arises at home, I am expected to ride my bike over to the nearest store which sells ammunition suitable for adequate defense of myself and my family (since said store is 50 miles away, and I don't own an automobile)? Or should I, you know, buy the ammunition in advance so I don't have to go on a day-long round-trip bike ride and come home to a completely-destroyed residence and killed/captured family?

Thanks for extrapolating a hilarious straw man from my simple post.

No. You can purchase the ammo to store beforehand in your home.

Let me requote what you said:

I didn't realize we were arguing guns for everyone, then yes I agree with you guns for everyone.

I agree. Why should a militia need to keep ammunition in the home? Also, more restrictive private sales of guns is a plus.

Are you admitting that there is a reason why a militia (or at least the members thereof) might need to keep ammunition in the home? If so, then I'm cool with that

[Mavorpen]

Right now the only bumper sticker is:

(Image)

We must arm the zombies to protect their right to life.

[Mavorpen]

Let me requote what you said:

I agree. Why should a militia need to keep ammunition in the home? Also, more restrictive private sales of guns is a plus.

Are you admitting that there is a reason why a militia (or at least the members thereof) might need to keep ammunition in the home? If so, then I'm cool with that

Why would I admit something that I never disagreed with?

[DaWoad]

please tell me you don't buy into the red dawn fantasy Jim, I respect you to much to want to believe that of you.

No I do not. A basic battery consists of a rifle, a handgun and a shotgun. My idea of a reasonable stockpile of ammo is a complete loadout for the battery, the remaining ammo in the opened box, and one box in reserve. More ammo should you find it at a good price.

assuming you're keeping those in a gunsafe or otherwise safed (trigger lock w/e) , works for me.

[Big Jim P]

No it is not. Hollow points are commonly sold with no more restriction than ball ammo.

I bet he's thinking of Black Talons.

Probably. When they hit the market I bought two boxes of .44 magnum and two of 9mm. When the took them off the market (they really should have thought out the name a bit better), I made a nice profit selling the four boxes.

[Thoricia]

please tell me you don't buy into the red dawn fantasy Jim, I respect you to much to want to believe that of you.

No I do not. A basic battery consists of a rifle, a handgun and a shotgun. My idea of a reasonable stockpile of ammo is a complete loadout for the battery, the remaining ammo in the opened box, and one box in reserve. More ammo should you find it at a good price.

I've gone completely overboard on my battery then *nods*

[YellowApple]

Let me requote what you said:



Are you admitting that there is a reason why a militia (or at least the members thereof) might need to keep ammunition in the home? If so, then I'm cool with that

Why would I admit something that I never disagreed with?

Because of your previous implication that there was no reason to keep ammunition in the home.

Unless you were being sarcastic/humorous, in which case I recommend you affix some kind of textual/visual indicator of such, like ' ' or ' ' so as to avoid the ever-so-common misidentification of sarcastic comments as serious ones (and vice versa) on teh internetz.

[DaWoad]

No I do not. A basic battery consists of a rifle, a handgun and a shotgun. My idea of a reasonable stockpile of ammo is a complete loadout for the battery, the remaining ammo in the opened box, and one box in reserve. More ammo should you find it at a good price.

I've gone completely overboard on my battery then *nods*

can i ask why?

[Big Jim P]

No I do not. A basic battery consists of a rifle, a handgun and a shotgun. My idea of a reasonable stockpile of ammo is a complete loadout for the battery, the remaining ammo in the opened box, and one box in reserve. More ammo should you find it at a good price.

assuming you're keeping those in a gunsafe or otherwise safed (trigger lock w/e) , works for me.

Of course I keep them secured. One, they do not need to be in the wrong hands, and second, they represent a pretty good monetary investment.