They make *what* for kids!?

[Mavorpen]

I agree. Why should a militia need to keep ammunition in the home? Also, more restrictive private sales of guns is a plus.

Because most of the militia is at home. SO are their families, all of which have also have the right to keep and bear arms. The PEOPLE have that right, not the milita.

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

[Thoricia]

I didn't realize we were arguing guns for everyone, then yes I agree with you guns for everyone.

I agree. Why should a militia need to keep ammunition in the home? Also, more restrictive private sales of guns is a plus.

Its government issued ammo that's no longer stored in the home, but it says nothing about restricting private ammo. In fact target shooting is encouraged by the government, and if we had the same type of government that views guns the way the Swiss do I would be more inclined for restrictive private sales.

[Big Jim P]

I have read what you have posted. I happen to disagree with your stance that the right to bear arms is a collective right.

You generally have to understand a stance before you disagree.

I do understand your stance. I just happen to think you are wrong. Current law agrees with me. Deal with it.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

No. It isn't. The people own the guns, not the militia. Or are you trying to argue that only men can own guns, and only if they are under 45? You don't have to be a member of the milita to own a gun. But the reason we have the right to own guns is because the militia needs to be trained.

I get the feeling you have no clue what I'm even talking about.

Yes, you are trying to contort a legal opinion in complete disagreement with yours until it seems to agree. But it never will. Because it doesn't. Owning guns isn't a collective right because all people have the right to bear arms, but not all people belong to the 'collective' you refer to as the militia.

[Big Jim P]

Because most of the militia is at home. SO are their families, all of which have also have the right to keep and bear arms. The PEOPLE have that right, not the milita.

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

Or even make your own in many cases.

[Mavorpen]

I agree. Why should a militia need to keep ammunition in the home? Also, more restrictive private sales of guns is a plus.

Its government issued ammo that's no longer stored in the home, but it says nothing about restricting private ammo. In fact target shooting is encouraged by the government, and if we had the same type of government that views guns the way the Swiss do I would be more inclined for restrictive private sales.

Actually there are restrictions on private ammunition.

[Big Jim P]

Its government issued ammo that's no longer stored in the home, but it says nothing about restricting private ammo. In fact target shooting is encouraged by the government, and if we had the same type of government that views guns the way the Swiss do I would be more inclined for restrictive private sales.

Actually there are restrictions on private ammunition.

I believe (but am not 100% sure) that you have to be at least 18 to purchase ammo.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Because most of the militia is at home. SO are their families, all of which have also have the right to keep and bear arms. The PEOPLE have that right, not the milita.

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

Not right now I can't. The store shelves are always empty. Besides, what if I want to practice at home? Wouldn't my ammo have to be there?

[Mavorpen]

I get the feeling you have no clue what I'm even talking about.

Yes, you are trying to contort a legal opinion in complete disagreement with yours until it seems to agree. But it never will. Because it doesn't. Owning guns isn't a collective right because all people have the right to bear arms, but not all people belong to the 'collective' you refer to as the militia.

...My fucking gods.

Google "collective rights theory," then come back. Because you clearly have utterly no idea what that means.

Hint: it doesn't literally mean that something is a "collective right."

[Thoricia]

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

Or even make your own in many cases.

Shhhhhhhhh you're suppose to keep that a secret.

[Mavorpen]

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

Not right now I can't. The store shelves are always empty. Besides, what if I want to practice at home? Wouldn't my ammo have to be there?

You don't.

[Big Jim P]

...You do realize that you can just purchase the ammunition, right?

Not right now I can't. The store shelves are always empty. Besides, what if I want to practice at home? Wouldn't my ammo have to be there?

If I ever make it back to Texas, and can get the proper permits, I am going to make my back yard into a gun range.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Yes, you are trying to contort a legal opinion in complete disagreement with yours until it seems to agree. But it never will. Because it doesn't. Owning guns isn't a collective right because all people have the right to bear arms, but not all people belong to the 'collective' you refer to as the militia.

...My fucking gods.

Google "collective rights theory," then come back. Because you clearly have utterly no idea what that means.

Hint: it doesn't literally mean that something is a "collective right."

I used the definition from your own link: "State and federal courts historically have used two models to interpret the Second Amendment: the "individual rights" model, which holds that individuals hold the right to bear arms, and the "collective rights" model, which holds that the right is dependent on militia membership. "

Is that your definition or isn't it?

[Big Jim P]

Or even make your own in many cases.

Shhhhhhhhh you're suppose to keep that a secret.

Don't worry, like many facts they find disagreeable, the gun-control crowd will ignore it.

[Mavorpen]

Not right now I can't. The store shelves are always empty. Besides, what if I want to practice at home? Wouldn't my ammo have to be there?

If I ever make it back to Texas, and can get the proper permits, I am going to make my back yard into a gun range.

Funnily enough, I always expect to see a bunch of NRA bumper stickers around here (I live in Texas) but I rarely see any.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Not right now I can't. The store shelves are always empty. Besides, what if I want to practice at home? Wouldn't my ammo have to be there?

You don't.

I don't what?

[Thoricia]

Its government issued ammo that's no longer stored in the home, but it says nothing about restricting private ammo. In fact target shooting is encouraged by the government, and if we had the same type of government that views guns the way the Swiss do I would be more inclined for restrictive private sales.

Actually there are restrictions on private ammunition.

Yeah no hollow points or expansion bullet for handguns.

[Big Jim P]

If I ever make it back to Texas, and can get the proper permits, I am going to make my back yard into a gun range.

Funnily enough, I always expect to see a bunch of NRA bumper stickers around here (I live in Texas) but I rarely see any.

I am a member, but I don't put stickers on my car.

[Mavorpen]

...My fucking gods.

Google "collective rights theory," then come back. Because you clearly have utterly no idea what that means.

Hint: it doesn't literally mean that something is a "collective right."

I used the definition from your own link: "State and federal courts historically have used two models to interpret the Second Amendment: the "individual rights" model, which holds that individuals hold the right to bear arms, and the "collective rights" model, which holds that the right is dependent on militia membership. "

Is that your definition or isn't it?

No. This is why I don't use Wikipedia for definitions unless it's sourced.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Not right now I can't. The store shelves are always empty. Besides, what if I want to practice at home? Wouldn't my ammo have to be there?

If I ever make it back to Texas, and can get the proper permits, I am going to make my back yard into a gun range.

Remind me to visit should I ever be in the area.

[Big Jim P]

Actually there are restrictions on private ammunition.

Yeah no hollow points or expansion bullet for handguns.

Hurh? That restriction only applies to the military. Civilians are not only allowed to own them, but for defensive purposes, tend to prefer them. With good reason I might add.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I used the definition from your own link: "State and federal courts historically have used two models to interpret the Second Amendment: the "individual rights" model, which holds that individuals hold the right to bear arms, and the "collective rights" model, which holds that the right is dependent on militia membership. "

Is that your definition or isn't it?

No. This is why I don't use Wikipedia for definitions unless it's sourced.

Well then to avoid further confusion, maybe YOU ought to tell me what YOUR definition is.

[Big Jim P]

If I ever make it back to Texas, and can get the proper permits, I am going to make my back yard into a gun range.

Remind me to visit should I ever be in the area.

You will be more than welcome. We can crack a few brews, and shoot a few rounds. Not at the same time of course. Alcohol and guns do not mix.

[Mavorpen]

Funnily enough, I always expect to see a bunch of NRA bumper stickers around here (I live in Texas) but I rarely see any.

I am a member, but I don't put stickers on my car.

How dare you betray the NRA!

Holy shit that should be a poem.

[Big Jim P]

I am a member, but I don't put stickers on my car.

How dare you betray the NRA!

Holy shit that should be a poem.

Actually, I misstated. I do have one religious sticker on my car.