They make *what* for kids!?

[The New Sea Territory]

No. In a state of nature, I would have these rights. That proves they are natural.

They are natural. Enough said they are absolute. In a civilized society, the only just way to remove them is when the individual forfeits them via aggression or crime (which are usually one in the same).

No you wouldn't. In a state of nature, you would be torn to shreds by predators. You could maybe argue liberty, but not the other two.

And that is where responsibility exists: I have the responsibility to defend my rights.

[German Shepherds]

"the boy received the rifle made for youths"

It's right in the OP. Right there.

Made for youths does not necessarily mean made for five-year-olds. There are 12 year olds who look like they're eight(I would know, I was one).

You seriously think that when they sent the application for "Youths," they thought it was a five year old? Because youth can be up to 13.

[Hathradic States]

Well, I don't think not having guns will protect us.

What do you need protection from?

The federal government. An armed populace is the only thing keeping the citizen safe from those who wish to harm the citizen. Just because that now we don't have somebody seeking to harm the people doesn't mean we won't.

[Mavorpen]

No. In a state of nature, I would have these rights. That proves they are natural.

They are natural. Enough said they are absolute. In a civilized society, the only just way to remove them is when the individual forfeits them via aggression or crime (which are usually one in the same).

No you wouldn't. In a state of nature, you would be torn to shreds by predators. You could maybe argue liberty, but not the other two.

You mean nature isn't like Disney movies where the animals sing and help you get dressed in the morning?

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Yeah Fuck No.

My Rights are absolute until I as an individual violate another's rights through crime or aggression (or both).

I have never shot another human being, therefore I can keep my guns.

Who said you can't keep them?

Look, I know you have a fetish for guns, but you could at least stop with the childish persecution conplex.

I don't think he should be allowed to keep his guns.

[Vareiln]

This is what we call a critical failure to parent. Purchasing a gun for a kid is one thing- it's not dangerous IF YOU KEEP THE GUN LOCKED UP, TEACH GUN SAFETY, AND WATCH YOUR DAMN KIDS. But leaving it out, loaded, and in a position where the kid could get it? WTF?

Furthermore: this was clearly not an accidental discharge. It's a .22, meaning he must have fired and hit the toddler in her torso or head at fairly close range, otherwise it wouldn't have been fatal. This was intentional on the five-year-old's part. Perhaps he was jealous of his baby sister?

I use to deer hunt with .22 calibers all the damn time. They are perfectly lethal at good distance. I have met more people than I care to imagine who think a .22 is basically a BB gun. It's not. It's a god-damn deadly weapon that shoots bullets which can taken down a 100+ lb animal with ease. On a human, it's equally as deadly at range. Small caliber does not mean non-lethal or close range.

Fact of the matter is, the gun company is being blatantly stupid with how they market it. By calling it a "youth rifle" they are implying that is less dangerous than larger caliber rifles-something which simply is beyond stupid. There is nothing "child"-like about a .22 caliber rifle. There is nothing less dangerous about the gun than any other gun. It is, like all guns, designed to kill. Shame on the company for marketing this trash, and shame on the parents for being absolute idiots with the gun.

This too.

[Hathradic States]

Yeah, good luck with that plan.

I'll laugh when all the collectors get a bullet to their head.

I'll laugh when I put one in their head from a kilometer out.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Ya that's what my post was all about right?

Yeah. basically. You threatening death on a government official. Have fun with the FBI

Thanks, but the minute they come to my door ordering me to hand my gun over well they can pull it from my cold dead hands after I put some rounds down range.

[Neo Arcad]

So since this is becoming about gun control, let me just whip out the killer here. It's not mine, but it's perfect.

“Imagine if millions of people in your country wanted to regulate computers. Except, they knew next to nothing about computers. A majority of people that want to regulate computers have never even touched one. They don’t know the difference between RAM and a motherboard. They know computers are used to do things like connect to some internet thing they’ve never been on, and have “word processors and stuff” that they’ve never seen, but they don’t understand what these things are used for. They know there are laws regulating computers and their use to some degree, but they don’t really understand those laws, because they’ve never read them.

What they want is to enact laws that limit the use of computers, but because they know next to nothing about computers, the laws they want to enact don’t make any sense. For example, they want to stop identity theft on this internet thing, so they want to pass a law that only allows you to use computers with 2GB of RAM installed, no more. That will curb identity theft online, they say.

They want to stop software piracy, so they say we should pass a law that says you can only own one computer per household.

When you tell them these things don’t make any sense, they call you a computer nut and tell you that they hope the FBI raids your home for illegal computers and shoots you. They point out that foreign nations have fewer computers than we do, and that they’re doing great because of it. They draw bizarre analogies like suggesting that if you want to own a computer, "does that mean you should get to own mind control devices, too?

This is what gun grabbers sound like to gun owners. They do not know what they’re talking about, because they’re firearms illiterate. They do not make sense."

[The New Sea Territory]

No you wouldn't. In a state of nature, you would be torn to shreds by predators. You could maybe argue liberty, but not the other two.

You mean nature isn't like Disney movies where the animals sing and help you get dressed in the morning?

Nope. I mean the state of nature where everything that walks, stalks and squats in the mud wants to eat me.

I still have those rights. I simply have to defend them. That is Self-Defense Responsibility.

[Vareiln]

Who said you can't keep them?

Look, I know you have a fetish for guns, but you could at least stop with the childish persecution conplex.

I don't think he should be allowed to keep his guns.

May I ask why?
Wait, nevermind, you specified him, I can see why.

[Ainin]

That's shitty parenting right there...

[Wisconsin9]

What do you need protection from?

Well, the tool of institutional theft and violence deemed "Federal Government". Others who violate my rights. Anything I need to defend my life against (wild animal, foreign invader).

And don't pull the "we have tanks, you has shoguns" argument.

It would be better to attack with rifles than with stones.

Not really. As is obvious from this post, having guns only gives you the delusion that you could beat the federal government, which means at some point you might try. If you only had rocks, you would realize beforehand that you'd be screwed anyways.

[JAYMALL LAND]

The sad thing is they can look like toys I was at a hunting store and some mother asked my if these were the toy guns, because she wanted to buy 1 for her son she didnt believe they were real until she looked at the price the gun was bright blue they even make bright pink ones for little girls.

Plus, all these loopholes with airsofts and whatnot can make it very hard to distinguish what's a toy/airsoft and what's real.

She was looking for a BB gun for her 10 year old im talking metal BBs but my self as a gun owner I'm not here to bash anyone the responsibility lied with the parents you can buy safety locks or guns for as little as 10 bucks no matter the price they do the job

[German Shepherds]

Yeah. basically. You threatening death on a government official. Have fun with the FBI

Thanks, but the minute they come to my door ordering me to hand my gun over well they can pull it from my cold dead hands after I put some rounds down range.

[Mavorpen]

I'm sure those cheetahs in Kenya would definitely respect your imaginary natural rights.

They are not imaginary. You just have lived without them and dwell in the state's war-mongering arms.

And cheetahs are not humans. They do not apply.

Which means they're imaginary.

Wow. You know the difference between a cheetah and a human. You must feel so proud of this obvious statement that doesn't address anything.

[United Dependencies]

I'll laugh when all the collectors get a bullet to their head.

I'll laugh when I put one in their head from a kilometer out.

Hahahaha

Isn't murder of government officials so funny?

[Samuraikoku]

The federal government. An armed populace is the only thing keeping the citizen safe from those who wish to harm the citizen. Just because that now we don't have somebody seeking to harm the people doesn't mean we won't.

Show me how guns helped citizens protect from Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and military dictatorships all over the world.

Protip: They didn't.

[Dulkadar]

What do you need protection from?

The federal government. An armed populace is the only thing keeping the citizen safe from those who wish to harm the citizen. Just because that now we don't have somebody seeking to harm the people doesn't mean we won't.

Who? Who in over 200 years of American history had the Feds not been able to defeat, and rely upon citizen militias?

[Mavorpen]

You mean nature isn't like Disney movies where the animals sing and help you get dressed in the morning?

Nope. I mean the state of nature where everything that walks, stalks and squats in the mud wants to eat me.

I still have those rights. I simply have to defend them. That is Self-Defense Responsibility.

So you have the rights, you just don't have the rights.

Got it.

[Samuraikoku]

Nope. I mean the state of nature where everything that walks, stalks and squats in the mud wants to eat me.

I still have those rights. I simply have to defend them. That is Self-Defense Responsibility.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it more true.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Oui, you should.

Might as well torch the Constitution while you're at it and destroy the basis of American laws.

The ability to modify the US constitution is included in the US constitution...

[Vareiln]

Yeah. basically. You threatening death on a government official. Have fun with the FBI

Thanks, but the minute they come to my door ordering me to hand my gun over well they can pull it from my cold dead hands after I put some rounds down range.

...
Yup, definitely understanding what Makki was saying now.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

The federal government. An armed populace is the only thing keeping the citizen safe from those who wish to harm the citizen. Just because that now we don't have somebody seeking to harm the people doesn't mean we won't.

Show me how guns helped citizens protect from Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and military dictatorships all over the world.

Protip: They didn't.

Because they took their damn guns away first.

[Neo Arcad]

The federal government. An armed populace is the only thing keeping the citizen safe from those who wish to harm the citizen. Just because that now we don't have somebody seeking to harm the people doesn't mean we won't.

Show me how guns helped citizens protect from Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and military dictatorships all over the world.

Protip: They didn't.

The Nazis took away the people's guns. That was literally the first thing they did. There's a reason for that.