Don't smoke outside!

[AJD Rocks]

I'm not sure what state your from (or if your from the states,no offense meant)but most states have banned smoking in "public" buildings with some states exempting bars from the code.

Guess which state I'm from.

*look at my flag.

Every time I go into a full restaurant, they give us an option to sit in the smoking section. Which I honestly don't care, because I don't believe it has that drastic of an effect on my health unless I were to live with a smoker 24/7 for many years.

You are from South Carolina. (I somewhat agree with this law)

[70 Ophiuchi]

A park where children, exclusively little children go. Made for them to play in. Would you want your kid breathing in smoke from a cigar? I think not.

So in other words most parks that people would go to?

Even though I'm a non smoker I don't think this is a good idea.

I can understand the principle, but smokers do have a right to smoke outside.

Just as your right to swing your fist ends at my nose so does the 'right' of a smoker to smoke end at the nose of a non-smoker.

When it comes down to it rights are not absolute, but are in opposition to other rights.

[Kleomentia]

A park where children, exclusively little children go. Made for them to play in. Would you want your kid breathing in smoke from a cigar? I think not.

So in other words most parks that people would go to?

Not really. Playgrounds. Most parks people go to are very different from playgrounds.

[Tropical Scandinavia]

I support this law.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

http://www.nugget.ca/2013/04/30/city-adopts-outdoor-smoking-ban

So, in a nut shell, this small city passed a bylaw that prohibits smoking in public areas like parks, trails, and beaches (Of which there are 3).

personally, I think a time restriction would have helped, like say, no smoking in those areas between 0700 and 2200, because smokers, (Most of which don't understand exactly what the bylaw implies) are pretty pissed off.

What are your views on this, NSG? Is it a breach of rights? Or a step in the right direction?

A step in the right direction. Smoking is harmful not only to the one(s) doing it, but also to those around them.

[The Steel Magnolia]

What are your views on this, NSG? Is it a breach of rights? Or a step in the right direction?

Step in the right direction, though they really should just ban smoking outright and tell the smokers to get chewing tobacco or smokeless cigarettes (and making them cheap enough that most of them buy them instead of black market cigs).

why can't there be a smoking section like all other restaurants?

There are no smoking sections in civilised places.

That's another thing. I'm not trying to change the subject, but why are they trying to legalize Marijuana while simultaneously outlawing cigarettes? It's hypocritical if you ask me.

Because tobacco is much more harmful, if we could swap the two then it'll be a pretty good trade (though I'd still ban smoking marijuana, they should get their fix in a way that doesn't expose other people to it).

Civilized places?

Oh and the marijuana point! Please, tell me more about how cool and hip and edgy you are.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I think that people who want to fuck up their lives shouldn't fuck up other peoples.

"Oh, I can't run? Well, let's see if they can after I blow this smoke everywhere."

Yes. The minute amount of smoke that lingers outdoors clearly harms you irrevocably.

[Cannot think of a name]

By that logic we could curb civil liberties by claiming they're not rights.

Ban coffee in public areas.

Indeed.

Don't 'indeed' that, that was fucking stupid. The argument against smoking in these public places set aside for public use isn't that they're not rights, that was a counter to the suggestion that it was. That makes the coffee comment random and stupid.

I think that people who want to fuck up their lives shouldn't fuck up other peoples.

"Oh, I can't run? Well, let's see if they can after I blow this smoke everywhere."

Yes. The minute amount of smoke that lingers outdoors clearly harms you irrevocably.

Even if we don't account for the health effects of second hand smoke, it still raises the question of how much one person gets to monopolize a space to the detriment of others.

Even without accompanying health effects, one cigar or cigarette smoker dominates the space with the smell of their habit in a place set aside for public use. One person gets to decided that it's not the ocean you get to smell, but his Camel. It's not the pines, but this fine Aurtoro Fuente. In the same way you wouldn't be allowed to go to these places and unleash your foam machine on everyone, it's being said that you have to share the space in such a manner that it does not significantly diminish it for everyone else.

I smoke. I don't see this ordnance as anything other than enforcing the idea that I don't have to be a dick about it.

[EnragedMaldivians]

I think that people who want to fuck up their lives shouldn't fuck up other peoples.

"Oh, I can't run? Well, let's see if they can after I blow this smoke everywhere."

Yes. The minute amount of smoke that lingers outdoors clearly harms you irrevocably.

I actually have a huge paranoia of cigarettes. Or anything associated with cigarettes. I am even repulsed by empty ashtrays, to the extent that I find it uncomfortable to sit near a table where one is present, and will usually remove it from sight.

Not chastising you; just, for some reason, admitting to one of my stranger quirks.

[Jagalonia]

And the social experiment worked.

Those who read the article, understood the point of the ban, and were better able to rationalize it. The ones who read the article, but didn't like it at least came up with coherent arguments.

You can tell who just reads the headlines and doesn't even glimpse at the article.

These are the same reactions I'm finding among local opinion, smokers that don't understand are up in arms about their "Right to smoke", on the other side of that, non-smokers that don't understand it are blindly supportive of it.

Meanwhile, the people that understand it, smokers or not, can coherently rationalize their stance on the issue.

[Slembana]

This is the right decision to make.

[French Union]

I don't smoke, so I would have no objection to the law.

[Dakini]

Bars are normally restaurants during the day.

Uh? You must live in a weird place.


Anyway, all these outdoors smoking bans are pretty stupid and nonsensical. Generally, the same people who complain so much about tobacco smoke fail to complain the same about IC engine exhausts... which pollute air MUCH more than tobacco smokers do.

I would complain about car exhaust in a park or on a beach.

I mean seriously, who drives through the park?

These laws don't prohibit smoking outdoors, they just say not in parks or on beaches. You can still smoke on sidewalks, outside bars, on your lawn, at the bus stop... you just can't sit on the beach and have a smoke while other people are trying to enjoy the fresh air and sunshine.

[Cannot think of a name]

Uh? You must live in a weird place.


Anyway, all these outdoors smoking bans are pretty stupid and nonsensical. Generally, the same people who complain so much about tobacco smoke fail to complain the same about IC engine exhausts... which pollute air MUCH more than tobacco smokers do.

I would complain about car exhaust in a park or on a beach.

I mean seriously, who drives through the park?

These laws don't prohibit smoking outdoors, they just say not in parks or on beaches. You can still smoke on sidewalks, outside bars, on your lawn, at the bus stop... you just can't sit on the beach and have a smoke while other people are trying to enjoy the fresh air and sunshine.

In the Bay Area at least, you can't do that one. Other people are compelled to be in that one place in order to catch the bus.

[Galborg]

Hitler and James I made Laws: thou shalt not burn tobacco, thou shalt burn people.

[Yes Im Biop]

Sweet. Can't stand smoke, Cigerete smoke anyway. Love Gunpowder smoke (Guess which is worse XD). And to anyone sayign this is a breach of right's. WHat about the people who don't want to be around smoker's?

[Yes Im Biop]

Bars are normally restaurants during the day.

Uh? You must live in a weird place.


Anyway, all these outdoors smoking bans are pretty stupid and nonsensical. Generally, the same people who complain so much about tobacco smoke fail to complain the same about IC engine exhausts... which pollute air MUCH more than tobacco smokers do.

No. Most bars (Like every one I've ever been to) Are restruant's till 10PM

[Dakini]

I would complain about car exhaust in a park or on a beach.

I mean seriously, who drives through the park?

These laws don't prohibit smoking outdoors, they just say not in parks or on beaches. You can still smoke on sidewalks, outside bars, on your lawn, at the bus stop... you just can't sit on the beach and have a smoke while other people are trying to enjoy the fresh air and sunshine.

In the Bay Area at least, you can't do that one. Other people are compelled to be in that one place in order to catch the bus.

That would be nice.

Here you're not supposed to smoke in the bus shelters (there are laws against smoking in enclosed areas in general and also against smoking on patios at restaurants/bars too), but people still do sometimes. You're definitely allowed to smoke at bus stops though, which sucks because people tend to throw their cigarette butts on the ground constantly since there aren't always trash cans at bus stops.

[Jello Biafra]

Bars are normally restaurants during the day.

Uh? You must live in a weird place.


Anyway, all these outdoors smoking bans are pretty stupid and nonsensical. Generally, the same people who complain so much about tobacco smoke fail to complain the same about IC engine exhausts... which pollute air MUCH more than tobacco smokers do.

There are plenty of parks where cars are banned.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Yes. The minute amount of smoke that lingers outdoors clearly harms you irrevocably.

I actually have a huge paranoia of cigarettes. Or anything associated with cigarettes. I am even repulsed by empty ashtrays, to the extent that I find it uncomfortable to sit near a table where one is present, and will usually remove it from sight.

Not chastising you; just, for some reason, admitting to one of my stranger quirks.

Which is fine, and if anyone smoked around you they`d kinda be a dick.

[Natapoc]

Good decision. People should not be able to poison the air others have to inhale. If you must smoke: Do it away from others.

Smokers get used to the smoke so they tend to have no idea how horrible the stench is to those around them who struggle to breath because of their pollution of the air.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Good decision. People should not be able to poison the air others have to inhale. If you must smoke: Do it away from others.

Smokers get used to the smoke so they tend to have no idea how horrible the stench is to those around them who struggle to breath because of their pollution of the air.

The amount of smoke cigarettes release in the open is ridiculously minute.

[Jagalonia]

Good decision. People should not be able to poison the air others have to inhale. If you must smoke: Do it away from others.

Smokers get used to the smoke so they tend to have no idea how horrible the stench is to those around them who struggle to breath because of their pollution of the air.

The amount of smoke cigarettes release in the open is ridiculously minute.

But still easily detectable by any non-smoker.

[Jullin]

The amount of smoke cigarettes release in the open is ridiculously minute.

But still easily detectable by any non-smoker.

Anal non-smokers who aren't moving and deliberately stand around smokers for the express purpose of inhaling their smoke, maybe.

[Natapoc]

But still easily detectable by any non-smoker.

Anal non-smokers who aren't moving and deliberately stand around smokers for the express purpose of inhaling their smoke, maybe.

I usually try to escape smokers as best I can but when I have to stand at crosswalks waiting for the light to turn so I can walk it because very difficult to breath.