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[The Snake Brotherhood]

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[Wilgrove]

Do you have a Reader's Digest version?

[Berzerkirs]

Do you have a Reader's Digest version?

Ditto for me.

[Natapoc]

Do you have a Reader's Digest version?

Ditto for me.

Read what the good comrade says or don't post.

This was very informative thank you. It sounds like there were good parts and bad parts to both systems. I hope one day we can all find a way to put the best parts of both systems together.

[Fartsniffage]

Do you have a Reader's Digest version?

It's worth reading.

[Natapoc]

Do you have a Reader's Digest version?

It's worth reading.

It is very much worth reading. He clearly put time into writing it.

[Fartsniffage]

It is very much worth reading. He clearly put time into writing it.

I felt the need to point it out.

Some of us more jaded posters have got to the point where experience has shown most long OPs are a waste of time.

[The Snake Brotherhood]

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[The Snake Brotherhood]

Do you have a Reader's Digest version?

Ditto for me.

Read what the good comrade says or don't post.

This was very informative thank you. It sounds like there were good parts and bad parts to both systems. I hope one day we can all find a way to put the best parts of both systems together.

Well it had both good sides and bad sides, like capitalism. But if you ask me whether I'd like to return to those times, and despite the temptation of re-lived childhood (which was a very cloudless childhood, I have to admit) - my answer would still be NO.

(And yes, I did mean to make this like a more humorous post. Those who don't like it or don't care to read, are free to skip it).

[Rogue Syrup]

That description sounds very strange.

Before, even if you had money and you wanted to buy something, you needed to have some connections in order to find it.
Today, you need connections to be able to start earning money in order to buy it, even though it's available everywhere.

Yeah ain't that the truth.

[Waterlow]

I enjoyed the opening post. I don't have any analysis to offer, merely gratitude for interesting and amusing insights.

[SaintB]

I never experienced anything resembling life under communism. I find your OP to be very thought provoking and I think you paint a very good picture of the changes that have occurred in a mere two decades. I can't really comment other than to say nice Op but I am going to continue to watch this topic and see what others have to post.

[Conservative Alliances]

Thanks for posting this, it was very interesting.

[Barzan]

Snake Brotherhood, are you from the GDR?

[Saint Jade IV]

I think the pertinent question here is whether the bad of the Communist system outweighs not just the good of that system, but the bad aspects of capitalism that have been introduced into the country since reunification.

Good OP by the by. Very insightful.

[SaintB]

I think the pertinent question here is whether the bad of the Communist system outweighs not just the good of that system, but the bad aspects of capitalism that have been introduced into the country since reunification.

I can answer that! I say: Yes it does out weigh the benefits , not because of the economics but because of its strict controls on people's moral, religious, and political beliefs.

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

Maybe one day global capitalizm will collapse & the corporations will be overthrown & then people can work on a system that brings the best of both world together. In my opinion, one thing the USSR had right was free health care & education to all. I think it should be a human right. I have no problem with the small business owner. I think that's the best part of capitalizm, but when a company gets to be like Walmart, I think the government should step in to make sure it's employees are provide with a living wage & the right to organize a union if that's what they want. If it's not possible then the company should be broken up & reorganized. Too big to fail should never happen again.
It looks like the banking industry's greed may have speeded up a process to goals in this direction at a very high cost. I don't know how much longer the sin of usury by the banks can go unchecked by the US government, or if the US citizens will put up with congress's will to compromise & "work" with the banks with their leaders calling the shots & not congress. I believe we should just nationalize the banking system & get it over with. Why not, the economy is already in a wrecked state & needs to be rebuild from almost square one.
Well, end of rant & I admit it is a rant. If others out there don't agree, I respect your opinion as long as it's not name calling & insults. I don't have the energy or interest to have a heated debate. I respect right wingers, but not ones without tolerance. XXOO's & a

[Barzan]

I think the pertinent question here is whether the bad of the Communist system outweighs not just the good of that system, but the bad aspects of capitalism that have been introduced into the country since reunification.

I can answer that! I say: Yes it does out weigh the benefits , not because of the economics but because of its strict controls on people's moral, religious, and political beliefs.

Not to mention living in constant paranoia, what with the Stasi and all. People spying and reporting on neighbours for complaining about the lack of, say, oranges, or about not being allowed to read a particular book.

Maybe one day global capitalizm will collapse & the corporations will be overthrown & then people can work on a system that brings the best of both world together. In my opinion, one thing the USSR had right was free health care & education to all. I think it should be a human right. I have no problem with the small business owner. I think that's the best part of capitalizm, but when a company gets to be like Walmart, I think the government should step in to make sure it's employees are provide with a living wage & the right to organize a union if that's what they want. If it's not possible then the company should be broken up & reorganized. Too big to fail should never happen again.
It looks like the banking industry's greed may have speeded up a process to goals in this direction at a very high cost. I don't know how much longer the sin of usury by the banks can go unchecked by the US government, or if the US citizens will put up with congress's will to compromise & "work" with the banks with their leaders calling the shots & not congress. I believe we should just nationalize the banking system & get it over with. Why not, the economy is already in a wrecked state & needs to be rebuild from almost square one.
Well, end of rant & I admit it is a rant. If others out there don't agree, I respect your opinion as long as it's not name calling & insults. I don't have the energy or interest to have a heated debate. I respect right wingers, but not ones without tolerance. XXOO's & a

You know, Germany has free education and health care for all today too, as did the Federal Republic back in the Soviet Days. It still has one of the best social safety nets in the world.

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

I think the pertinent question here is whether the bad of the Communist system outweighs not just the good of that system, but the bad aspects of capitalism that have been introduced into the country since reunification.

I can answer that! I say: Yes it does out weigh the benefits , not because of the economics but because of its strict controls on people's moral, religious, and political beliefs.

Not to mention living in constant paranoia, what with the Stasi and all. People spying and reporting on neighbours for complaining about the lack of, say, oranges, or about not being allowed to read a particular book.

Maybe one day global capitalizm will collapse & the corporations will be overthrown & then people can work on a system that brings the best of both world together. In my opinion, one thing the USSR had right was free health care & education to all. I think it should be a human right. I have no problem with the small business owner. I think that's the best part of capitalizm, but when a company gets to be like Walmart, I think the government should step in to make sure it's employees are provide with a living wage & the right to organize a union if that's what they want. If it's not possible then the company should be broken up & reorganized. Too big to fail should never happen again.
It looks like the banking industry's greed may have speeded up a process to goals in this direction at a very high cost. I don't know how much longer the sin of usury by the banks can go unchecked by the US government, or if the US citizens will put up with congress's will to compromise & "work" with the banks with their leaders calling the shots & not congress. I believe we should just nationalize the banking system & get it over with. Why not, the economy is already in a wrecked state & needs to be rebuild from almost square one.
Well, end of rant & I admit it is a rant. If others out there don't agree, I respect your opinion as long as it's not name calling & insults. I don't have the energy or interest to have a heated debate. I respect right wingers, but not ones without tolerance. XXOO's & a

You know, Germany has free education and health care for all today too, as did the Federal Republic back in the Soviet Days. It still has one of the best social safety nets in the world.

That's very true, as does France, although I think both countries have high unemployment, but I guess so do we (US) right now. As for your statement up top, I imagine the US propoganda (feed threw the media) is every bit as effective as the old Soviet system: Weapons of mass destruction, Axis of evil, McCarthyism, If you don't do "insert nationalist & consumerist activity here", the terrorists win!, everyone needs a small US flag (made in china) on the lapel of their blazer, after 9/11 everyone needs a US flag bumper sticker (also made in china) on the back of their Honda. Would you agree?
Edit: I think I misread what you were saying, sorry. I pretty tired right now. I'll leave it unchanged cause it's a good point none the less.

[Barzan]

I think the pertinent question here is whether the bad of the Communist system outweighs not just the good of that system, but the bad aspects of capitalism that have been introduced into the country since reunification.

I can answer that! I say: Yes it does out weigh the benefits , not because of the economics but because of its strict controls on people's moral, religious, and political beliefs.

Not to mention living in constant paranoia, what with the Stasi and all. People spying and reporting on neighbours for complaining about the lack of, say, oranges, or about not being allowed to read a particular book.

Maybe one day global capitalizm will collapse & the corporations will be overthrown & then people can work on a system that brings the best of both world together. In my opinion, one thing the USSR had right was free health care & education to all. I think it should be a human right. I have no problem with the small business owner. I think that's the best part of capitalizm, but when a company gets to be like Walmart, I think the government should step in to make sure it's employees are provide with a living wage & the right to organize a union if that's what they want. If it's not possible then the company should be broken up & reorganized. Too big to fail should never happen again.
It looks like the banking industry's greed may have speeded up a process to goals in this direction at a very high cost. I don't know how much longer the sin of usury by the banks can go unchecked by the US government, or if the US citizens will put up with congress's will to compromise & "work" with the banks with their leaders calling the shots & not congress. I believe we should just nationalize the banking system & get it over with. Why not, the economy is already in a wrecked state & needs to be rebuild from almost square one.
Well, end of rant & I admit it is a rant. If others out there don't agree, I respect your opinion as long as it's not name calling & insults. I don't have the energy or interest to have a heated debate. I respect right wingers, but not ones without tolerance. XXOO's & a

You know, Germany has free education and health care for all today too, as did the Federal Republic back in the Soviet Days. It still has one of the best social safety nets in the world.

That's very true, as does France, although I think both countries have high unemployment, but I guess so do we (US) right now. As for your statement up top, I imagine the US propoganda (feed threw the media) is every bit as effective as the old Soviet system: Weapons of mass destruction, Axis of evil, McCarthyism, If you don't do "insert nationalist & consumerist activity here", the terrorists win!, everyone needs a small US flag (made in china) on the lapel of their blazer, after 9/11 everyone needs a US flag bumper sticker (also made in china) on the back of their Honda. Would you agree?

Yeah, Fox News is like the communist party propaganda machine. You read some Chinese Communist Party rag and they use the same wording.

[The Snake Brotherhood]

That description sounds very strange.

Before, even if you had money and you wanted to buy something, you needed to have some connections in order to find it.
Today, you need connections to be able to start earning money in order to buy it, even though it's available everywhere.

Yeah ain't that the truth.

The truth is often stranger than fiction, isn't it?

[The Snake Brotherhood]

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[The Snake Brotherhood]

I think the pertinent question here is whether the bad of the Communist system outweighs not just the good of that system, but the bad aspects of capitalism that have been introduced into the country since reunification.

Good OP by the by. Very insightful.

I think the even better question is, as someone here commented that, since both systems have their good and bad sides, it would be good if we could somehow combine the good sides of both, and see what would come out of it. Some would say China is trying to do that now. The opinions are split on this.

[West Failure]

What a really well written post, thank you.

[Alsatian Knights]

-snippage-
1. The Berlin Wall of course. Everyone knows the story how it went down.
-more snipagge-

EDIT-....I'm going to throw my mouse against the wall, but before I do that I'm going to finish this post...

Do you know the story behind how it went down? The start of it? Not the political crap, that story of that very night?