Sharia poll amongst Muslim people

[New Libertarian States]

Back on topic:
Do you think they really are? Or is this a case of some other factor skewing the poll?

The Taliban do have quite an intimidation campaign going, after all. Maybe they don't feel safe telling strangers that they are in favor of secularism? Maybe they fear pollsters may be informants?

Or it could be a translation thing... Sharia does mean "law" after all...

Sharia Law translates to Law Law?

Law Law is best law.

[Cosara]

20 posts in and we've already all agreed on something.

So then the best option is to derail
.
Anyhow, you never know, their may be that 1 person who thinks it's good.

Just like there was that 1 guy who thought we should stone gays.

[New Libertarian States]

Back on topic:
Do you think they really are? Or is this a case of some other factor skewing the poll?

The Taliban do have quite an intimidation campaign going, after all. Maybe they don't feel safe telling strangers that they are in favor of secularism? Maybe they fear pollsters may be informants?

Or it could be a translation thing... Sharia does mean "law" after all...

After the stupid shit we pulled to find Bin Laden I wouldn't tell a pollster or aid worker a damned thing.

Yeah, a lot of them are just freaked out to talk to anybody.

[Petrovsegratsk]

42? Wtf?

My countrymen have betrayed me.

You Chechen bastards!

[New Libertarian States]

So then the best option is to derail
.
Anyhow, you never know, their may be that 1 person who thinks it's good.

Just like there was that 1 guy who thought we should stone gays.

O.O
when was this?

[Anachronous Rex]

Back on topic:
Do you think they really are? Or is this a case of some other factor skewing the poll?

The Taliban do have quite an intimidation campaign going, after all. Maybe they don't feel safe telling strangers that they are in favor of secularism? Maybe they fear pollsters may be informants?

Or it could be a translation thing... Sharia does mean "law" after all...

Sharia Law translates to Law Law?

Yes.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Sharia Law translates to Law Law?

Yes.

No, the distinction is easily understood. Sharia refers to religious code, whereas laws promulgated by state officials are referred to as Qanun.

[Cosara]

Just like there was that 1 guy who thought we should stone gays.

O.O
when was this?

A week or so ago. It was on a Gay Marriage thread (I think it was New Zeland) and a guy was saying things that

1. Made me look like a fucking moderate

and

2. Made it seem like he'd be the guy that would be the guy chanting "STONE HIM STONE HIM" after Jason Collins (or whatever his name is) came out as gay

[Central Kadigan]

I am Republican (I identify with the Republican Party) and I don't want to force God down the throats of anyone. I just don't want Atheism forced down the throats of children. I am simply making one request: Just tell students that we don't know how life began and present them with Evolution, Creationism and Intellegent Design, and let children chose their religious path, weather it's Atheism, Theism, Scientology (I think Scientology is a belief in a form of intellegent design. I really don't know) or whatever they want to believe. I'm not advocating less religious freedom, I am advocating more.

You’re kidding me, right? Teaching evolution is not “forcing atheism” on anyone. It’s teaching good science. There is exactly zero scientific support of either creationism or intelligent design – if you want to mandate their inclusion in the curriculum, then “forcing (your) God” on my kids is exactly what you’re doing! If I had told my students that we didn’t know how life began, then I would have been lying to them.

[MamlukiyyaMubaraka]

Well, the poll is accurate. There are virtually no Muslims who would not want Sharia Law. Muslims feel that they have been failed by current ideologies, that they have lagged behind in every field since Islam declined. Hence it is only natural there is a very strong movement to bring back the Sharia as a proper source of law in Muslim countries, not the fake imitation that some 'Islamic states' currently employ. It is designed to protect minorities, to insure justice for all citizens, to end huge gaps between the rich and the poor and the exploitation of the lower classes by the elite, the wholesale destruction of moral values, families and the environment and to end the horrible state the world finds itself in. Hadd punishments are hardly implemented in a proper Islamic state. A sharia state is aimed at insuring justice and freedom. It was the system that brought the world basic juristic principles such as 'innocent until prove guilty', the end of the use of torture as a way to extract a confession and habeas corpus. It created giant scientific powerhouses such as Al Andalus that brought Europe out of the Middle Ages and into the Renaissance and Enlightenment and men such as Saladin who would go on to symbolize the very meaning of chivalrous and magnanimous kings.

[Uelvan]

How dare these people have their own opinions and world views.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Well, the poll is accurate. There are virtually no Muslims who would not want Sharia Law. Muslims feel that they have been failed by current ideologies, that they have lagged behind in every field since Islam declined. Hence it is only natural there is a very strong movement to bring back the Sharia as a proper source of law in Muslim countries, not the fake imitation that some 'Islamic states' currently employ. It is designed to protect minorities, to insure justice for all citizens, to end huge gaps between the rich and the poor and the exploitation of the lower classes by the elite, the wholesale destruction of moral values, families and the environment and to end the horrible state the world finds itself in. Hadd punishments are hardly implemented in a proper Islamic state. A sharia state is aimed at insuring justice and freedom. It was the system that brought the world basic juristic principles such as 'innocent until prove guilty', the end of the use of torture as a way to extract a confession and habeas corpus. It created giant scientific powerhouses such as Al Andalus that brought Europe out of the Middle Ages and into the Renaissance and Enlightenment.

None of the Muslim populations polled supported Sharia law unanimously. There are in fact, Muslims who do not support Sharia law, as is evident in the poll.

Where is the justice in how Murtads are treated under Sharia?

[Nidaria]

I thought the Moslems better than that....

I am disgusted by ignoramuses comparing Christianity to Islam. They are completely different religions, with different doctrines.

[Anachronous Rex]

I thought the Moslems better than that....

I am disgusted by ignoramuses comparing Christianity to Islam. They are completely different religions, with different doctrines.

Actually they are remarkably similar things, with remarkably similar doctrines.

Pachamama worship. Now there's a completely different religion, with a completely different doctrine.

[Mike the Progressive]

I thought the Moslems better than that....

I am disgusted by ignoramuses comparing Christianity to Islam. They are completely different religions, with different doctrines.

And different degrees of religiosity where the cultures are dominate.

[Anachronous Rex]

Yes.

No, the distinction is easily understood. Sharia refers to religious code, whereas laws promulgated by state officials are referred to as Qanun.

Shh! Don't tell him...

[Cosara]

I am Republican (I identify with the Republican Party) and I don't want to force God down the throats of anyone. I just don't want Atheism forced down the throats of children. I am simply making one request: Just tell students that we don't know how life began and present them with Evolution, Creationism and Intellegent Design, and let children chose their religious path, weather it's Atheism, Theism, Scientology (I think Scientology is a belief in a form of intellegent design. I really don't know) or whatever they want to believe. I'm not advocating less religious freedom, I am advocating more.

You’re kidding me, right? Teaching evolution is not “forcing atheism” on anyone. It’s teaching good science. There is exactly zero scientific support of either creationism or intelligent design – if you want to mandate their inclusion in the curriculum, then “forcing (your) God” on my kids is exactly what you’re doing! If I had told my students that we didn’t know how life began, then I would have been lying to them.

We do not know how life began, and Evolution is not science. Creationism, Evolution and Intellegent Design are all inherantly religious. In Evolution, you have to believe that nothing made everything (Which is a scientific impossibility). There is only 1 other theory that could make the Big Bang, and thus evolution as Atheists know it, possible, and that is that energy was compressed into a very small very dense and very hot point in space and it all exploded. I ask, where did the matter that caused the big bang come from. You're probably going to answer "We don't know." well then, I rest my case. On an unrelated note, this thread has derailed into a religious argument within a period of 2 pages.

[Samuraikoku]

I thought the Moslems better than that....

I am disgusted by ignoramuses comparing Christianity to Islam. They are completely different religions, with different doctrines.

Yet they have the same effects on some people. That I consider detrimental to society.

[Nidaria]

I am Republican (I identify with the Republican Party) and I don't want to force God down the throats of anyone. I just don't want Atheism forced down the throats of children. I am simply making one request: Just tell students that we don't know how life began and present them with Evolution, Creationism and Intellegent Design, and let children chose their religious path, weather it's Atheism, Theism, Scientology (I think Scientology is a belief in a form of intellegent design. I really don't know) or whatever they want to believe. I'm not advocating less religious freedom, I am advocating more.

You’re kidding me, right? Teaching evolution is not “forcing atheism” on anyone. It’s teaching good science. There is exactly zero scientific support of either creationism or intelligent design – if you want to mandate their inclusion in the curriculum, then “forcing (your) God” on my kids is exactly what you’re doing! If I had told my students that we didn’t know how life began, then I would have been lying to them.

This is not a thread about the origin of the world. It does not matter what evidence you listen to and what you ignore. The truth is that we do not know how life began. No theory is absolutely proven, hence teaching more than one school of thought is best for free scientific thought.

[Mike the Progressive]

I thought the Moslems better than that....

I am disgusted by ignoramuses comparing Christianity to Islam. They are completely different religions, with different doctrines.

Yet they have the same effects on some people. That I consider detrimental to society.

But the proportion is considerably higher amongst countries where Islam is predominant over where Christianity is..

[EnragedMaldivians]

How dare these people have their own opinions and world views.

They have views of their own; great. Thing is, some people's worldviews suck. When a majority of South Asia's Muslims support upholding hadd penalties such as executing people who leave the Islamic faith, that's actually a problem. When 62 % of supposedly moderate Malaysia's Muslims support killing apostates, that ain't cool by any stretch of the imagination.

[Khadgar]

You’re kidding me, right? Teaching evolution is not “forcing atheism” on anyone. It’s teaching good science. There is exactly zero scientific support of either creationism or intelligent design – if you want to mandate their inclusion in the curriculum, then “forcing (your) God” on my kids is exactly what you’re doing! If I had told my students that we didn’t know how life began, then I would have been lying to them. :evil:

We do not know how life began, and Evolution is not science. Creationism, Evolution and Intellegent Design are all inherantly religious. In Evolution, you have to believe that nothing made everything (Which is a scientific impossibility). There is only 1 other theory that could make the Big Bang, and thus evolution as Atheists know it, possible, and that is that energy was compressed into a very small very dense and very hot point in space and it all exploded. I ask, where did the matter that caused the big bang come from. You're probably going to answer "We don't know." well then, I rest my case. On an unrelated note, this thread has derailed into a religious argument within a period of 2 pages.

Yes, thanks to you. Stop doing it.

[Nidaria]

I thought the Moslems better than that....

I am disgusted by ignoramuses comparing Christianity to Islam. They are completely different religions, with different doctrines.

Yet they have the same effects on some people. That I consider detrimental to society.

Hardly. Christianity does not have so-called "honor-killings" and it does not teach that if a Christian kills an infidel, he goes to heaven. You may consider both detrimental to society, but a society without religion is the worst of all.

[Anachronous Rex]

You’re kidding me, right? Teaching evolution is not “forcing atheism” on anyone. It’s teaching good science. There is exactly zero scientific support of either creationism or intelligent design – if you want to mandate their inclusion in the curriculum, then “forcing (your) God” on my kids is exactly what you’re doing! If I had told my students that we didn’t know how life began, then I would have been lying to them.

This is not a thread about the origin of the world. It does not matter what evidence you listen to and what you ignore. The truth is that we do not know how life began. No theory is absolutely proven, hence teaching more than one school of thought is best for free scientific thought.

Which is why you also support teaching astrology, disease by demonic possession, and the "Poseidon is pissed" theory of earthquakes.

[Samuraikoku]

Hardly. Christianity does not have so-called "honor-killings" and it does not teach that if a Christian kills an infidel, he goes to heaven. You may consider both detrimental to society, but a society without religion is the worst of all.

I place value upon secular law instead of religion.