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Should conservatism be banned in the United States?

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:45 am

Bojikami wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Well, you're in Russia.

Banning conservatives would have the huge plus of sending Putin and United Russia flying out the window.

Exactly. Banning it in Russia I support, as for america,meh.

shit hide under the table the FSB's onto ya now
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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:46 am

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The children don't get a choice, though.


Why would they?


Well, it's sort of their belief that's being constructed from their environment. And private schools tend to be inferior when teaching the sciences (At least every private school I've seen), making it less likely for them to fully understand modern science.

Hell, I go to a public school that teaches evolutionary theory, and I still have to explain it to people.

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Postby Bojikami » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:46 am

Arglorand wrote:
Bojikami wrote:Exactly. Banning it in Russia I support, as for america,meh.

shit hide under the table the FSB's onto ya now

I have committed hooliganism.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:50 am

Bojikami wrote:
Arglorand wrote:shit hide under the table the FSB's onto ya now

I have committed hooliganism.

... Wait, is that a crime out there?
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Postby Bojikami » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:51 am

Arglorand wrote:
Bojikami wrote:I have committed hooliganism.

... Wait, is that a crime out there?

Yes.
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Postby Ponderosa » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:51 am

Being a capitalist, I will argue that not all conservatism is bad. Your pleas for silencing the opposition are quite frankly disgusting and pathetic.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:52 am

Anyway, this is an incredibly stupid idea. Much stupider than conservatism itself.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:54 am

Bojikami wrote:
Arglorand wrote:... Wait, is that a crime out there?

Yes.

Woooooow.

What does the legal code define as an act of hooliganism?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:59 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:Anyway, this is an incredibly stupid idea. Much stupider than conservatism itself.

And that is saying something!
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Postby Condunum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:01 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Anyway, this is an incredibly stupid idea. Much stupider than conservatism itself.

And that is saying something!

Not really. Conservatism is actually pretty smart. What you probably are thinking of, and what many posters on here bash and misinterpret is traditionalism and reactionary policy. They do not go hand in hand with conservatism, although traditionalism does blend slightly.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:02 pm

Condunum wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:And that is saying something!

Not really. Conservatism is actually pretty smart. What you probably are thinking of, and what many posters on here bash and misinterpret is traditionalism and reactionary policy. They do not go hand in hand with conservatism, although traditionalism does blend slightly.

I'm sure all the politicians we're thinking of aren't true conservatives.

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Postby Condunum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Condunum wrote:Not really. Conservatism is actually pretty smart. What you probably are thinking of, and what many posters on here bash and misinterpret is traditionalism and reactionary policy. They do not go hand in hand with conservatism, although traditionalism does blend slightly.

I'm sure all the politicians we're thinking of aren't true conservatives.

Indeed, but the mislabeling is A Bad Thing, and makes people like Caninope sad. Sad Caninope is worse than crying Baby Jesus.
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Postby Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:03 pm

Ponderosa wrote:Being a capitalist, I will argue that not all conservatism is bad. Your pleas for silencing the opposition are quite frankly disgusting and pathetic.


Not to mention hilarious, situated as they are in an OP that blames "conservative America" for bringing the world's economies down (presumably down from where the "more advanced, socially progressive" nations had got to by themselves in spite of "American conservatism") and then tries to justify itself with some mythological ban on national socialism in Germany (you know, where Hitler used to ragerant about the ebils of capitalism and blame the international banking system for bringing his advanced, socially progressive nation down...)

We do have to give the OP credit for trying to make us laugh.

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"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler, May 1, 1927
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:05 pm

Condunum wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:And that is saying something!

Not really. Conservatism is actually pretty smart. What you probably are thinking of, and what many posters on here bash and misinterpret is traditionalism and reactionary policy. They do not go hand in hand with conservatism, although traditionalism does blend slightly.

If conservatives are so smart, why did they allow their parties to become polluted with fundamentalists and belligerent reactionaries?
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CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Condunum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:07 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Condunum wrote:Not really. Conservatism is actually pretty smart. What you probably are thinking of, and what many posters on here bash and misinterpret is traditionalism and reactionary policy. They do not go hand in hand with conservatism, although traditionalism does blend slightly.

If conservatives are so smart, why did they allow their parties to become polluted with fundamentalists and belligerent reactionaries?

Because it isn't their party? It hasn't been for decades.
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Postby Bojikami » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:09 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Bojikami wrote:Yes.

Woooooow.

What does the legal code define as an act of hooliganism?

Don't really know, as I am not that into law, but I've seen people get arrested on those charges for speaking out against Putin.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:14 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Woooooow.

What does the legal code define as an act of hooliganism?

Don't really know, as I am not that into law, but I've seen people get arrested on those charges for speaking out against Putin.

Welp.

This is why I make sure to speak in hushed voices and with grammar mistakes so no one can record me and translate what I'm saying into Russian when I visit my relatives in St. Petersburg.
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Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:15 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Condunum wrote:Not really. Conservatism is actually pretty smart. What you probably are thinking of, and what many posters on here bash and misinterpret is traditionalism and reactionary policy. They do not go hand in hand with conservatism, although traditionalism does blend slightly.

If conservatives are so smart, why did they allow their parties to become polluted with fundamentalists and belligerent reactionaries?


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Postby Caninope » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:15 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Condunum wrote:Not really. Conservatism is actually pretty smart. What you probably are thinking of, and what many posters on here bash and misinterpret is traditionalism and reactionary policy. They do not go hand in hand with conservatism, although traditionalism does blend slightly.

If conservatives are so smart, why did they allow their parties to become polluted with fundamentalists and belligerent reactionaries?

Well, there's a long story to that, but it essentially boils down to votes. It was an easy alliance of convenience. It just so happens that when you start losing people like Ronald Reagan (who was able to control the fundamentalist portions of the GOP through sheer charisma) and replacing them with people like Newt Gingrich (who maintained some control over fundamentalists and reactionaries through tact, if not charisma) and then replacing those subpar leaders with even more subpar leaders like Eric Cantor who are fully willing to go along (or even worse, have drunk the Kool-Aid), that's when the problem arises.

It's been a self-perpetuating cycle. As fundamentalists and reactionaries gain in power and attention, they gain in number. When they gain in number, they gain in power and attention. These reactionaries have been spurred by a societal shift to the right that began after Nixon's "Silent Majority" rejected the counter-cultures of the 1960s, as well as demographic growth that has largely been positive for them until 2010 (population growth in the South, movement to a post-Industrial economy and with that a movement away from unions, etc.).

It's not a matter of being "stupid" or "smart". This "takeover" of the GOP by reactionaries has been decades in the making, and largely spontaneous. It can happen to any party or movement.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:15 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Condunum wrote:Not really. Conservatism is actually pretty smart. What you probably are thinking of, and what many posters on here bash and misinterpret is traditionalism and reactionary policy. They do not go hand in hand with conservatism, although traditionalism does blend slightly.

If conservatives are so smart, why did they allow their parties to become polluted with fundamentalists and belligerent reactionaries?

Because they're reactionaries?

Actual conservatives will consider new ideas and adopt them if they are beneficial, reactionaries won't.
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Postby Caninope » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:16 pm

Condunum wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm sure all the politicians we're thinking of aren't true conservatives.

Indeed, but the mislabeling is A Bad Thing, and makes people like Caninope sad. Sad Caninope is worse than crying Baby Jesus.

Thank you. :p

Sometimes, it can be hard to draw the line between what's "reactionary" and what's just "conservative" though.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:28 pm

No, that's fucking stupid. Conservatism is opposing radical change, that's good for a stable and secure society. Don't mistake conservatism with reactionism.

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Postby Czechanada » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:46 pm

Yes, we should censor Atlas Shrugged and Bioshock.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:10 pm

Caninope wrote:
Condunum wrote:Indeed, but the mislabeling is A Bad Thing, and makes people like Caninope sad. Sad Caninope is worse than crying Baby Jesus.

Thank you. :p

Sometimes, it can be hard to draw the line between what's "reactionary" and what's just "conservative" though.

Generally, a litmus test can be employed here, I think,
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Postby LiamHerndon » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:47 pm

Although conservatism has really f***ed up a lot of the United States, it is part of free speech.
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