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Should conservatism be banned in the United States?

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:41 am

Norstal wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Is that how it works? But what if your liberal hellhole also is a monarchy, as is the case with many European countries?

But they're not absolute monarchies. ;)

Which might very well be the reason why they're still around. The whole 'absolute monarchy' concept has been in decline pretty much everywhere for the last few centuries, with North Korea as a notable exception.
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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:41 am

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Agymnum wrote:Those are conservative hell-holes. His utopia is 1950's America-style.

Racism, sexism, and all the other -isms.

Ah, back when minorities and women knew their place and the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male was the undisputed master of his domain. For some reason that specific status quo didn't even survive its own mythical decade.


The decade needed more, "Leave it to Beaver" episodes in order to make it that far.

It's all the fault of those damned hivemind, atheist, liberal, socialist, communist, fascist, Muslim, minority-loving, god-hating, law-breaking, tax-mooching, Free-Market-Hating, LEFTIES!
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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:42 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So basically it isn't socialist.


What :!: It fits the definition.

Quite obviously, a bunch of linguists are better at defining political terms than encyclopedias, which are made up by professionals in the field.
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Postby Tyriece » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:43 am

conservatism is not at all evil, extreme conservatism is, extreme anything is really not that good. I am conservative about certain things, like preserving the rainforest and other green stuffs.
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:43 am

Tyriece wrote:conservatism is not at all evil, extreme conservatism is, extreme anything is really not that good. I am conservatism about certain things, like preserving the rainforest and other green stuffs.


That's conservationism, not conservatism. Learn the difference; it could save your life.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:45 am

Norstal wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
What :!: It fits the definition.

Quite obviously, a bunch of linguists are better at defining political terms than encyclopedias, which are made up by professionals in the field.

Hey, don't lump all of us linguists in with the politically ignorant. :(
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:45 am

Norstal wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
What :!: It fits the definition.

Quite obviously, a bunch of linguists are better at defining political terms than encyclopedias, which are made up by professionals in the field.


Wouldn't people who write dictionaries be more specifically lexicologists, though?

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:45 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So basically it isn't socialist.


What :!: It fits the definition.

I know, you don't understand socialism. We can all see that.
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Postby Tyriece » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:47 am

Agymnum wrote:
Tyriece wrote:conservatism is not at all evil, extreme conservatism is, extreme anything is really not that good. I am conservatism about certain things, like preserving the rainforest and other green stuffs.


That's conservationism, not conservatism. Learn the difference; it could save your life.


*googles* ahhhh i am not finding a difference other then one is spelled wrong
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:47 am

I'm not even conservative, by I whole-heartedly reject your tyranny.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:48 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Norstal wrote:Quite obviously, a bunch of linguists are better at defining political terms than encyclopedias, which are made up by professionals in the field.

Hey, don't lump all of us linguists in with the politically ignorant. :(

Wasn't making fun of linguists actually. I understand some of them care about language than politics or whatever. Sorry.

I'm making fun of people who uses dictionaries to define and learn things that are higher level. I mean, I bet Freiheit Reich uses the dictionary to learn Calculus.
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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:48 am

Tyriece wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
That's conservationism, not conservatism. Learn the difference; it could save your life.


*googles* ahhhh i am not finding a difference other then one is spelled wrong


The discussion is over social conservatism, not nature conservatism.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:48 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Norstal wrote:Quite obviously, a bunch of linguists are better at defining political terms than encyclopedias, which are made up by professionals in the field.

Wouldn't people who write dictionaries be more specifically lexicologists, though?

Does that also include those who write definitions for the Urban Dictionary?
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:49 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
What :!: It fits the definition.

I know, you don't understand socialism. We can all see that.

Save your figurative breath, Mav. People will never understand Socialism unless they do the research themselves.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:49 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Norstal wrote:Quite obviously, a bunch of linguists are better at defining political terms than encyclopedias, which are made up by professionals in the field.


Wouldn't people who write dictionaries be more specifically lexicologists, though?

It's part of linguistics.

Anyways, enough of the threadjack. Let's all point out how bad of an idea the OP presents.
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:49 am

Tyriece wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
That's conservationism, not conservatism. Learn the difference; it could save your life.


*googles* ahhhh i am not finding a difference other then one is spelled wrong


This is conservationism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_movement

This is conservatism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Note how conservatism, "promotes retaining traditional social institutions." That says nothing about nature; also, industrialism (building factories and bulldozing forests) is pretty traditional.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:50 am

Norstal wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Hey, don't lump all of us linguists in with the politically ignorant. :(

Wasn't making fun of linguists actually. I understand some of them care about language than politics or whatever. Sorry.

I'm making fun of people who uses dictionaries to define and learn things that are higher level. I mean, I bet Freiheit Reich uses the dictionary to learn Calculus.

:rofl:

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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:50 am

Agymnum wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
*googles* ahhhh i am not finding a difference other then one is spelled wrong


This is conservationism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_movement

This is conservatism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Note how conservatism, "promotes retaining traditional social institutions." That says nothing about nature; also, industrialism (building factories and bulldozing forests) is pretty traditional.

IIRC, a lot of conservatives in Asia are environmentalists as well. Cause you know, a bunch of polluters just don't sit well with the status quo.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:51 am

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Divair wrote:No. Why would anyone support such silly totalitarian measures? Don't drop down to their level.


The duty of the government is to maintain civil order and help society prosper. Conservatism is a threat to society and should be dealt with in the same way that Germany deals with National Socialism.


Nope. The duty of the government is to protect the rights of the people.

Tyranny sucks dude.

And Germany's dealing with National Socialism are heavily flawed.
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Postby Tyriece » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:51 am

Normandium wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
*googles* ahhhh i am not finding a difference other then one is spelled wrong


The discussion is over social conservatism, not nature conservatism.


Ah i see, well either way moderate social conservatism is good, at lest i think so.
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:52 am

Norstal wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
This is conservationism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_movement

This is conservatism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Note how conservatism, "promotes retaining traditional social institutions." That says nothing about nature; also, industrialism (building factories and bulldozing forests) is pretty traditional.

IIRC, a lot of conservatives in Asia are environmentalists as well. Cause you know, a bunch of polluters just don't sit well with the status quo.


True, but conservation movement has nothing to do with conservatism.

Conservatives can be conservationists as well; Conservationists can also be conservatives. However, being one does not automatically predispose the other.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:53 am

Norstal wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
So you're telling me that Plutarco Elías Calles, a president in the mid 1920s, is still responsible for Mexico's situation today?



Source on Argentina, please. I'm not seeing the Liberal revolution, and I'm not seeing any Christianity-related woes.

Nidaria is a conservative American. Which mean that anything not reactionary or regressive, is liberal.

Hell, if your country is not an absolute monarchy whose powers are derived from God, your country is a liberal hellhole.


I'm pretty sure American conservatives are against monarchy... :eyebrow:
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Postby Morganutopia » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:53 am

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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:54 am

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Screensaver wrote:Conservatism does more evil than good in society and government. Conservatism is ultimately the main reason that the United States is perhaps one the least developed and most socially backward first countries. Conservatism is the reason the U.S. economy is in a recession and dragged so many other economies down with it and it is the reason that the U.S. is lags behind so many other countries in regards to women's rights, secular rights, and lgbt rights. Conservatism is also the reason that the U.S. is the only first world country without universal healthcare. True patriotism is wanting what is best for your country and the fact is that conservatism is the main reason that the United States is a failure compared to most other first world countries. After World War 2 Germany passed laws that were aimed at destroying National Socialism to prevent it from rising again. Should this be done against Conservatism in the United States? If the Republican Party was banned then the United States would see a lot of economic and social progress so it would be for the greater good in my opinion.

You can't just ban an ideology. At least, not a mainstream one. Nazism was not mainstream.


You shouldn't be banning ideologies, period.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:55 am

Agymnum wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
*googles* ahhhh i am not finding a difference other then one is spelled wrong


This is conservationism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_movement

This is conservatism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Note how conservatism, "promotes retaining traditional social institutions." That says nothing about nature; also, industrialism (building factories and bulldozing forests) is pretty traditional.

Deforestation goes back a long way, yes. Hell, the Middle East used to have lush forests until agriculture was developed. And Holland (the region consisting of two provinces in the Netherlands) used to be called Holtland, which means 'wooded land'. No notable forests have remained in Holland.
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