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Should conservatism be banned in the United States?

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Hurdegaryp
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:29 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Cosara wrote:The Ignore List is really making this forum a more peaceful place.

The only people who are proud of ignoring contrasting ideas are small children.

NSG often is this forum's rough and rowdy kindergarten, so your statement makes all kinds of sense.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:30 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:The only people who are proud of ignoring contrasting ideas are small children.

NSG often is this forum's rough and rowdy kindergarten, so your statement makes all kinds of sense.

The RP forums are worse. What are you talking about?
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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:30 am

Agymnum wrote:
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We get to make all kinds of potions n' shit.


I wanna transform into a frog.

Or, hell, let me turn shit into gold. I'd be able to gild all my stuff and look so rich without needing that expensive plating process.


Don't forget Magic class, where you learn how to summon things, cast spells, control your Mana, etc.

Damn, now I'm disappointed by my school. I had an art teacher in middle school who killed my love of drawing.

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Postby Choronzon » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:30 am

Cosara wrote:The Ignore List is really making this forum a more peaceful place.

So, is this why you hold such stupid positions born of total ignorance? Because every time someone explains to you that a scientific theory is different from a layman's theory or how Creationism has no evidence while Evolution has a ton you go "LALALALALALALA CANT HERE YOU"?

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Agymnum
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:31 am

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You too? My class had idiots who thought we literally evolved from gorillas and pestered me as to why gorillas don't transform into humans right before our eyes.

Like this is fucking Beauty and the Beast or some shit. Unbelievable.


I actually managed to convince somebody in my class that didn't believe the theory of evolution that it was true. Felt pretty good.


I convinced quite a few people in both biology class (evolutionary theory) and English class (atheism). Never got a following in democratic socialism, though my teacher was a maniac leftist (to the point where he almost got fired for talking shit about the US during AP US history class).
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Postby Middleton St George » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:31 am

Is the above picture really suggesting that Alchemy doesn't work? Seems like I'm going to have sell of all that lead I bought then ...
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Normandium
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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:31 am

Choronzon wrote:
Cosara wrote:The Ignore List is really making this forum a more peaceful place.

So, is this why you hold such stupid positions born of total ignorance? Because every time someone explains to you that a scientific theory is different from a layman's theory or how Creationism has no evidence while Evolution has a ton you go "LALALALALALALA CANT HERE YOU"?


He must've been great fun in science class.

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Agymnum
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:32 am

Norstal wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:NSG often is this forum's rough and rowdy kindergarten, so your statement makes all kinds of sense.

The RP forums are worse. What are you talking about?


But in the RP forums you can use your ignore cannon and be like LALALALAL DON'T HEAR YOU!

NSG doesn't work that way. It's more raw, more brutal, more uncut.

Sort of like Green Berets vs Full Metal Jacket
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:33 am

Nidaria wrote:In Mexico, a vicious anti-Catholic persecution took place. Since then the country has been plagued with crime and disorder.


So you're telling me that Plutarco Elías Calles, a president in the mid 1920s, is still responsible for Mexico's situation today?

Nidaria wrote:Bolivia, Paraguay, and Argentina (just to list a few Latin American countries) underwent a Liberal revolution, then suffered from oppressive governments, bandits, and economic decline. After Garcia Moreno was assassinated in Ecuador, disorder and economic decline plagued the country and it never became a major power again.


Source on Argentina, please. I'm not seeing the Liberal revolution, and I'm not seeing any Christianity-related woes.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:34 am

Normandium wrote:
Choronzon wrote:So, is this why you hold such stupid positions born of total ignorance? Because every time someone explains to you that a scientific theory is different from a layman's theory or how Creationism has no evidence while Evolution has a ton you go "LALALALALALALA CANT HERE YOU"?

He must've been great fun in science class.

Maybe he's got a note from the doctor excusing him from those classes.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:34 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Nidaria wrote:In Mexico, a vicious anti-Catholic persecution took place. Since then the country has been plagued with crime and disorder.


So you're telling me that Plutarco Elías Calles, a president in the mid 1920s, is still responsible for Mexico's situation today?

Nidaria wrote:Bolivia, Paraguay, and Argentina (just to list a few Latin American countries) underwent a Liberal revolution, then suffered from oppressive governments, bandits, and economic decline. After Garcia Moreno was assassinated in Ecuador, disorder and economic decline plagued the country and it never became a major power again.


Source on Argentina, please. I'm not seeing the Liberal revolution, and I'm not seeing any Christianity-related woes.

Nidaria is a conservative American. Which mean that anything not reactionary or regressive, is liberal.

Hell, if your country is not an absolute monarchy whose powers are derived from God, your country is a liberal hellhole.
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Agymnum
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:34 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Nidaria wrote:In Mexico, a vicious anti-Catholic persecution took place. Since then the country has been plagued with crime and disorder.


So you're telling me that Plutarco Elías Calles, a president in the mid 1920s, is still responsible for Mexico's situation today?


Coolidge and Hoover are clearly still responsible for the US today, right?

It's not like Roosevelt came in and, you know, changed shit, right?
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Postby Antic Master Fegelein » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:36 am

Norstal wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
So you're telling me that Plutarco Elías Calles, a president in the mid 1920s, is still responsible for Mexico's situation today?



Source on Argentina, please. I'm not seeing the Liberal revolution, and I'm not seeing any Christianity-related woes.

Nidaria is a conservative American. Which mean that anything not reactionary or regressive, is liberal.

Hell, if your country is not an absolute monarchy whose powers are derived from God, your country is a liberal hellhole.


so.....everywhere except the middle east?

like saudi arabia and bahrain?
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Postby Greater Pokarnia » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:36 am

Agymnum wrote:
Greater Pokarnia wrote:
I actually managed to convince somebody in my class that didn't believe the theory of evolution that it was true. Felt pretty good.


I convinced quite a few people in both biology class (evolutionary theory) and English class (atheism). Never got a following in democratic socialism, though my teacher was a maniac leftist (to the point where he almost got fired for talking shit about the US during AP US history class).


Never bothered people trying to convince people to abandon their religion (I couldn't care less what you believe if you don't use it as grounds to harm or discriminate against others) or adopt my political ideology (just because political discussions inevitably get heated and I much prefer a calm debate). Evolution, on the other hand, I'll gladly try to convince people of.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:36 am

Norstal wrote:Nidaria is a conservative American. Which mean that anything not reactionary or regressive, is liberal.

Hell, if your country is not an absolute monarchy whose powers are derived from God, your country is a liberal hellhole.

Is that how it works? But what if your liberal hellhole also is a monarchy, as is the case with many European countries?
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Nihilistic Cosmopolitan-Fascist States » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:36 am

Screensaver wrote:Conservatism does more evil than good in society and government. Conservatism is ultimately the main reason that the United States is perhaps one the least developed and most socially backward first countries. Conservatism is the reason the U.S. economy is in a recession and dragged so many other economies down with it and it is the reason that the U.S. is lags behind so many other countries in regards to women's rights, secular rights, and lgbt rights. Conservatism is also the reason that the U.S. is the only first world country without universal healthcare. True patriotism is wanting what is best for your country and the fact is that conservatism is the main reason that the United States is a failure compared to most other first world countries. After World War 2 Germany passed laws that were aimed at destroying National Socialism to prevent it from rising again. Should this be done against Conservatism in the United States? If the Republican Party was banned then the United States would see a lot of economic and social progress so it would be for the greater good in my opinion.

Only if you prohibit Liberalism first, and especially first.

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Postby Microsol » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:37 am

No, that is a complete violation of freedom of speech, a purportedly liberal policy.

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Postby Romneyerica » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:37 am

Screensaver wrote:Conservatism does more evil than good in society and government. Conservatism is ultimately the main reason that the United States is perhaps one the least developed and most socially backward first countries. Conservatism is the reason the U.S. economy is in a recession and dragged so many other economies down with it and it is the reason that the U.S. is lags behind so many other countries in regards to women's rights, secular rights, and lgbt rights. Conservatism is also the reason that the U.S. is the only first world country without universal healthcare. True patriotism is wanting what is best for your country and the fact is that conservatism is the main reason that the United States is a failure compared to most other first world countries. After World War 2 Germany passed laws that were aimed at destroying National Socialism to prevent it from rising again. Should this be done against Conservatism in the United States? If the Republican Party was banned then the United States would see a lot of economic and social progress so it would be for the greater good in my opinion.


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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:37 am

Antic Master Fegelein wrote:
Norstal wrote:Nidaria is a conservative American. Which mean that anything not reactionary or regressive, is liberal.

Hell, if your country is not an absolute monarchy whose powers are derived from God, your country is a liberal hellhole.


so.....everywhere except the middle east?

like saudi arabia and bahrain?


Those are conservative hell-holes. His utopia is 1950's America-style.

Racism, sexism, and all the other -isms.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:38 am

Norstal wrote:Nidaria is a conservative American. Which mean that anything not reactionary or regressive, is liberal.

Hell, if your country is not an absolute monarchy whose powers are derived from God, your country is a liberal hellhole.


He'd be surprised to know that Argentina grants the Catholic Church preference amongst other religions in Article 2 of our Constitution.

We're masters of hypocritical compromise! :D

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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:38 am

Antic Master Fegelein wrote:
Norstal wrote:Nidaria is a conservative American. Which mean that anything not reactionary or regressive, is liberal.

Hell, if your country is not an absolute monarchy whose powers are derived from God, your country is a liberal hellhole.


so.....everywhere except the middle east?

like saudi arabia and bahrain?

Yeah, but they worship a different religion, so they're bad. *nods*

Hurdegaryp wrote:Is that how it works? But what if your liberal hellhole also is a monarchy, as is the case with many European countries?

But they're not absolute monarchies. ;)
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:39 am

Antic Master Fegelein wrote:
Norstal wrote:Nidaria is a conservative American. Which mean that anything not reactionary or regressive, is liberal.

Hell, if your country is not an absolute monarchy whose powers are derived from God, your country is a liberal hellhole.


so.....everywhere except the middle east?

like saudi arabia and bahrain?


No, they persecute Christians, so they're liberal.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:39 am

Agymnum wrote:
Antic Master Fegelein wrote:
so.....everywhere except the middle east?

like saudi arabia and bahrain?

Those are conservative hell-holes. His utopia is 1950's America-style.

Racism, sexism, and all the other -isms.

Ah, back when minorities and women knew their place and the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male was the undisputed master of his domain. For some reason that specific status quo didn't even survive its own mythical decade.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Antic Master Fegelein » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:40 am

Agymnum wrote:
Antic Master Fegelein wrote:
so.....everywhere except the middle east?

like saudi arabia and bahrain?


Those are conservative hell-holes. His utopia is 1950's America-style.

Racism, sexism, and all the other -isms.



so before MLK and the other things that changed America....

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:41 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Definition 1, 2B, and possibly 2A.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Definition of SOCIALISM


1

: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


2

a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3

: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

So basically it isn't socialist.


What :!: It fits the definition.
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