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Should conservatism be banned in the United States?

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Normandium
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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:17 am

Duvniask wrote:
Divair wrote:It's almost like they're not a hivemind.


Almost.

But we all know, that we are infact a hivemind.


We're very good at hiding it. Some of us even disguise ourselves as conservatives and declare that we are a hivemind, just to throw people off the scent.

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Postby Cosara » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:17 am

Agymnum wrote:
Cosara wrote:So you're advocating:

"We think this theory is correct SO WE WILL SHOVE IT DOWN THE THROATS OF CHILDREN!!!!"


We do it all the time with the theories of gravity, Newton's Laws of Motion, atomic theory, etc.

It seems like the only time it's not okay is evolutionary theory in biology. Why?

Gravity is correct. Laws of Motion are correct. The problem I have is alienating over 50% of the population by teaching an opposing belief in schools.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:17 am

Cosara wrote:
Arglorand wrote:No.

So you're advocating:

"We think this theory is correct SO WE WILL SHOVE IT DOWN THE THROATS OF CHILDREN!!!!"

No. We know it is.

If you don't like stuff getting shoved down the throats of children, abolish schooling.
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Postby Choronzon » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:17 am

Cosara wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Public schools aren't the place for the Christian Conservative Action Squads to start programming impressionable young minds.

I could say the same in regardes to Evolution.

You'd be laughably wrong and revealing your ignorance with such an absurd false equivalency.
We just need to tell children the truth: We don't know how life began.

And we should teach them about our best guess: evolution. Not some story book fairytale with no evidence to support it just to placate those who hate science.
We need to give them both theories and let them chose.

You are using the word "theory" in a manner which suggests that the "theory of Evolution" is a theory on par with how laymen use the term theory. It is not.

Nor are both sides equal. One side has decades, even centuries, of peer reviewed scientific evidence.

The other side has a storybook about a magical sky man who made us from clay.
I view this as a common sense approach.

There is nothing "common sense" about your approach.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:17 am

Cosara wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
We do it all the time with the theories of gravity, Newton's Laws of Motion, atomic theory, etc.

It seems like the only time it's not okay is evolutionary theory in biology. Why?

Gravity is correct. Laws of Motion are correct. The problem I have is alienating over 50% of the population by teaching an opposing belief in schools.

Evolution is just as correct as gravity and motion.

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Postby Divair » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:18 am

Normandium wrote:
Duvniask wrote:
Almost.

But we all know, that we are infact a hivemind.


We're very good at hiding it. Some of us even disguise ourselves as conservatives and declare that we are a hivemind, just to throw people off the scent.

Quick, drone #958173, engage evasive maneuvers!

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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:18 am

Cosara wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
We do it all the time with the theories of gravity, Newton's Laws of Motion, atomic theory, etc.

It seems like the only time it's not okay is evolutionary theory in biology. Why?

Gravity is correct. Laws of Motion are correct. The problem I have is alienating over 50% of the population by teaching an opposing belief in schools.


50% of the population could be wrong. Ever consider that?

It used to be that everyone thought the Earth was the center of the universe. We abolished that belief in the face of overwhelming opposition by the church...

Because it was wrong, perhaps?
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Postby Cosara » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:18 am

The Foe List really makes this forum more peaceful.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:18 am

Cosara wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
We do it all the time with the theories of gravity, Newton's Laws of Motion, atomic theory, etc.

It seems like the only time it's not okay is evolutionary theory in biology. Why?

Gravity is correct. Laws of Motion are correct. The problem I have is alienating over 50% of the population by teaching an opposing belief in schools.

So?
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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:18 am

Cosara wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
We do it all the time with the theories of gravity, Newton's Laws of Motion, atomic theory, etc.

It seems like the only time it's not okay is evolutionary theory in biology. Why?

Gravity is correct. Laws of Motion are correct. The problem I have is alienating over 50% of the population by teaching an opposing belief in schools.


Gravity, Motion, etc. are all theories, though.

And private schools force Christian belief on their kids, even quoting the bible in science classes.

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Postby Cosara » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:19 am

Normandium wrote:
Cosara wrote:Gravity is correct. Laws of Motion are correct. The problem I have is alienating over 50% of the population by teaching an opposing belief in schools.


Gravity, Motion, etc. are all theories, though.

And private schools force Christian belief on their kids, even quoting the bible in science classes.

Give them both theories and let them chose rather than shoving one theory down their throats.
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Postby Sedikal » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:19 am

No. It's called freedom of speech and you can't infringe on such a core right that is given to every American citizen. And although I recgonize your ideas as to why it's a menise their also the fact that we do live in America which gives everyone the right to express their own ideologies even your notibly stupid idea. You know who did similer things for the exact same reasons? Hitler, Stalin, the Ayatollah, Saddam, Mao, Gaddafi, Kim Jung Sun his son and his grandson, pop pot, and a large amount if others. So what you are proposing is affront to what many liberals fight against.

You really make feel embarrassed to call myself a liberal.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:20 am

Cosara wrote:
Normandium wrote:
Gravity, Motion, etc. are all theories, though.

And private schools force Christian belief on their kids, even quoting the bible in science classes.

Give them both theories and let them chose rather than shoving one theory down their throats.

No.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:20 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Cosara wrote:So you're advocating:

"We think this theory is correct SO WE WILL SHOVE IT DOWN THE THROATS OF CHILDREN!!!!"

I see your point there, even though it's very, very wrong. Shoving things down the throats of children is the exclusive domain of religion and pedophiles, after all. However, your 'logic' is flawed. You would probably also be in favour of teaching that you cannot drown as long as your faith is strong, no matter how deep you sink. Doesn't mean it works.

Somebody suggested that we should stop feeding, but I still think my statement stands firm.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:20 am

I'm assuming all the iterations of "Fuck, no!" have been brought out!

To be roundly ignored by the conservatives making about how liberals want to suppress them.

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Postby Osterr » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:21 am

Cosara wrote:
Normandium wrote:
Gravity, Motion, etc. are all theories, though.

And private schools force Christian belief on their kids, even quoting the bible in science classes.

Give them both theories and let them chose rather than shoving one theory down their throats.


Yeah, but the fact that the Earth rotates around the Sun is also a theory.

What's your point.
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:21 am

Cosara wrote:The Foe List really makes this forum more peaceful.


If you're going to block everyone who disagrees with you, why bother posting on here at all? This is a debate forum and you need an opposition to debate.

It's like if I just blocked every conservative, fascist, and Tea Party member on here. Would I be happier? Sure. Would I have a purpose to stick around? No.

The point of the Foe List is to block incessant douches who flame you instead of debating you. Fairly sure we're debating you on here.
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Postby Choronzon » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:21 am

Cosara wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
We do it all the time with the theories of gravity, Newton's Laws of Motion, atomic theory, etc.

It seems like the only time it's not okay is evolutionary theory in biology. Why?

Gravity is correct. Laws of Motion are correct. The problem I have is alienating over 50% of the population by teaching an opposing belief in schools.

We should not teach wrong information just because Christians in America are incredibly ignorant when it comes to science. That would be very, very stupid.

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Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:21 am

Normandium wrote:
Cosara wrote:Gravity is correct. Laws of Motion are correct. The problem I have is alienating over 50% of the population by teaching an opposing belief in schools.


Gravity, Motion, etc. are all theories, though.

And private schools force Christian belief on their kids, even quoting the bible in science classes.


You know, mine kept saying earth is approximately 6k years old, and constantly used an incorrect portrayal of evolution.
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Postby Normandium » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:21 am

Cosara wrote:
Normandium wrote:
Gravity, Motion, etc. are all theories, though.

And private schools force Christian belief on their kids, even quoting the bible in science classes.

Give them both theories and let them chose rather than shoving one theory down their throats.


Except there's more than one religious belief, and giving kids only the options of, "Christianity" and "Atheism" wouldn't really be fair to people who are neither. Say I want to be Deist, Muslim, or Pastafarian?

This is why people say to go by the amount of evidence backing up each theory, instead of what people want.

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Postby Choronzon » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:22 am

Cosara wrote:
Normandium wrote:
Gravity, Motion, etc. are all theories, though.

And private schools force Christian belief on their kids, even quoting the bible in science classes.

Give them both theories and let them chose rather than shoving one theory down their throats.

No. Not all opinions are created equal. One side has centuries of peer reviewed data. The other side has a storybook about a magic sky man.

Why would we teach children falsehoods and superstition alongside the truth as best we know it?

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Postby Agymnum » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:22 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:I'm assuming all the iterations of "Fuck, no!" have been brought out!

To be roundly ignored by the conservatives making about how liberals want to suppress them.


Pretty much. I hate victim complexes. They annoy me so much because they demean actual victims.
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Postby Antic Master Fegelein » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:22 am

Agymnum wrote:
Cosara wrote:The Foe List really makes this forum more peaceful.


If you're going to block everyone who disagrees with you, why bother posting on here at all? This is a debate forum and you need an opposition to debate.

It's like if I just blocked every conservative, fascist, and Tea Party member on here. Would I be happier? Sure. Would I have a purpose to stick around? No.

The point of the Foe List is to block incessant douches who flame you instead of debating you. Fairly sure we're debating you on here.


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Postby Choronzon » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:22 am

Osterr wrote:
Cosara wrote:Give them both theories and let them chose rather than shoving one theory down their throats.


Yeah, but the fact that the Earth rotates around the Sun is also a theory.

What's your point.

We should teach both. Its wrong to shove a heliocentric universe down people's throats.


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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:22 am

Cosara wrote:
Normandium wrote:
Gravity, Motion, etc. are all theories, though.

And private schools force Christian belief on their kids, even quoting the bible in science classes.

Give them both theories and let them chose rather than shoving one theory down their throats.

As stated before, Creationism is not a theory. It is not a theory at all. It is mythology. And it's only logical to keep mythology out of biology.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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