The Economist Says Affirmative Action Is Bad Unsurprise

[Mavorpen]

Those are the conditions for being White? I must say, this is a fantastic demonstration of the absurdity of race as a valid taxonomic system for humans.

What do you propose should be the criteria for being White or any x race? It is common sense that to be White, you need to have White skin and what is White skin most commonly associated with? European ancestry.

The majority of African Americans have European ancestry, and there are in fact some African Americans with skin tones as light as Europeans.

[Evraim]

The majority of African Americans have European ancestry, and there are in fact some African Americans with skin tones as light as Europeans.

True story. I know people.

[Saiwania]

The majority of African Americans have European ancestry, and there are in fact some African Americans with skin tones as light as Europeans.

Being Albino does not count as being White. Most people can tell the difference.

[Mavorpen]

The majority of African Americans have European ancestry, and there are in fact some African Americans with skin tones as light as Europeans.

Being Albino does not count as being White. Most people can tell the difference.

Who said anything about being Albino?

Absolutely no one.

[The Lone Alliance]

The majority of African Americans have European ancestry, and there are in fact some African Americans with skin tones as light as Europeans.

Being Albino does not count as being White. Most people can tell the difference.

You obviously don't know many African Americans then. They aren't all pitch black or dark brown you know, there's quite a variation. There's some I know you would only think they have a good tan.

Anyway to get back on topic. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why looking at both race and socioeconomic factors could be bad for AF.

[Greed and Death]

The majority of African Americans have European ancestry, and there are in fact some African Americans with skin tones as light as Europeans.

Being Albino does not count as being White. Most people can tell the difference.

You need to get out and meet more diverse groups of friends.

[Tyriece]

In my experience Affirmative Action is not good.

Employer: What color are you
Person looking for job: White
Employer: Sorry, have to many of those already don't want to seem raciest

Now of course the question was asked via application and not directly, but still.

[Mike the Progressive]

In my experience Affirmative Action is not good.

Employer: What color are you
Person looking for job: White
Employer: Sorry, have to many of those already don't want to seem raciest

Now of course the question was asked via application and not directly, but still.

It's a bit of a simplification, but there have been mistakes where ethnic majorities have gotten screwed. And while the court gave some justice, too little too late. That said, the overwhelming good AA offers is also something that should be taken into account.

[Radiatia]

It's not often that I find myself saying this, but I agree with The Economist.

[Saiwania]

You obviously don't know many African Americans then. They aren't all pitch black or dark brown you know, there's quite a variation. There's some I know you would only think they have a good tan.

I don't think I believe for one second that there are any African Americans who have a skin tone Whiter than Europeans, but feel free to show a picture of one to prove me wrong.

You need to get out and meet more diverse groups of friends.

I live in an 84% White county, of course I'm not going to associate with many Black people; not that its a very high priority of mine.

[DogDoo 7]

You obviously don't know many African Americans then. They aren't all pitch black or dark brown you know, there's quite a variation. There's some I know you would only think they have a good tan.

I don't think I believe for one second that there are any African Americans who have a skin tone Whiter than Europeans, but feel free to show a picture of one to prove me wrong.

You need to get out and meet more diverse groups of friends.

I live in an 84% White county, of course I'm not going to associate with many Black people; not that its a very high priority of mine.

[Mavorpen]

You obviously don't know many African Americans then. They aren't all pitch black or dark brown you know, there's quite a variation. There's some I know you would only think they have a good tan.

I don't think I believe for one second that there are any African Americans who have a skin tone Whiter than Europeans, but feel free to show a picture of one to prove me wrong.

Fucking lol'd.

You expect me to scour Google Images because you lack the basic knowledge to know that some African Americans have skin color as light as Europeans? No thank you.

[Ostroeuropa]

You obviously don't know many African Americans then. They aren't all pitch black or dark brown you know, there's quite a variation. There's some I know you would only think they have a good tan.

I don't think I believe for one second that there are any African Americans who have a skin tone Whiter than Europeans, but feel free to show a picture of one to prove me wrong.

You need to get out and meet more diverse groups of friends.

I live in an 84% White county, of course I'm not going to associate with many Black people; not that its a very high priority of mine.

Google albino black man.

[Xsyne]

So why does "Steve Blagojevich" tend to get the nod over "Latisha Roberts"?

Hint: It's not pronunciation.

I dunno, Blagojevich sounds pretty Slavic. Everyone knows Slavs aren't even white.

Nah, we got to be white when Anglos, French, Germans, Scandinavians, and by that point the Irish looked around, realized that shit, they made up a smaller proportion of the population than before, and started declaring random light-skinned people to be white until they had a comfortable majority again. The smarter white supremacists quietly accepted this, the dumber ones did not, and the Neo-Nazis just assumed it always was this way because they barely qualify as sentient.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, who cares if people won't hire blacks, women, gays*, trans people*, foreigners, gypsies**, etc? What really matters is poor people getting hired.

Since those groups usually are poor people, it seems to average out.

Average elimination of discrimination isn't really good enough, is it?

Again tell me again how much more privileged the white trash homeless child is over Barrack Obama's daughters.

I wonder how I could again tell you again something I've never before said.

There's one privilege that overrides all others, and that is money.

And if you have money and are none the less discriminated against on some bullshit basis like race, that's still a bad thing.

*Last I checked there was no affirmative action for these groups.
It would be so easy to cheat that system, everyone would just say they were gay or a pre-op trans and you wouldn't be able to prove otherwise. It's not like you're going to go snooping into their bedrooms to make sure after all.

It being hard does not convince me that we should not work to stop discrimination against gays and trans people.

**Since when are Gypsies requiring AF? I mean are you talking about the Gypsy race or someone who practices the Gypsy culture?

Since some people are bigoted against gypsies(I suppose Romani would be the more correct term). See also: Irish Travellers.

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I have been talking about it in another topic :



Outside those considerations, i can't see how people who pretend to be anti-racist support a form of institutionalization racism. University quota for exemple mean that minority are no better than mentally disable since they can't pass the same exams as everyone.
Also, the affirmative action speech is good for charity events, but in the real life, if a member of a community/suburb/ethnicity/religion is considered as not fitted for certain work. As unfair as it's look, the entrepreneur isn't going to even try.

Unless we do quota in companies too ?

Once a community or a minority has proven its merits, there should be no need for this kind of artificial assistance.

In the United States, affirmative action refers to equal opportunity employment measures that Federal contractors and subcontractors are legally required to adopt. These measures are intended to prevent discrimination against employees or applicants for employment, on the basis of "color, religion, sex, or national origin".[1][2] Examples of affirmative action offered by the United States Department of Labor include outreach campaigns, targeted recruitment, employee and management development, and employee support programs.[2]

The impetus towards affirmative action is to redress the disadvantages[3][4][5][6][7] associated with overt historical discrimination.[8] Further impetus is a desire to ensure public institutions, such as universities, hospitals and police forces, are more representative of the populations they serve.[9] Affirmative action is a subject of controversy. Some policies adopted as affirmative action, such as racial quotas or gender quotas for collegiate admission, have been criticized as a form of reverse discrimination, and such implementation of affirmative action has been ruled unconstitutional by the majority opinion of Gratz v. Bollinger. Affirmative action as a practice was upheld by the court's decision in Grutter v. Bollinger.[10]

Using facts? You must be a secret racist.

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Yeah, who cares if people won't hire blacks, women, gays, trans people, foreigners, gypsies, etc? What really matters is poor people getting hired.

In terms of strengthening the economy, yes, that is what matters.

There are concerns for people in the real world beyond the economy.

I am against bigotry just as I am against affirmative action personally and I will to my best to act against both, because discrimination on the basis of identity will never bring an end to discrimination on the basis of identity.

That's nice, but affirmative action isn't discrimination on the basis of identity.

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Affirmative action is both unjust and bad. News at 11

But a study found that at some American universities, black applicants who scored 450 points (out of 1,600) worse than Asians on entrance tests were equally likely to win a place.

I like how this quite literally makes black university students at that particular place inferior to white or asian ones, simply because they're held under much laxer criteria, thus giving fuel to negative stereotypes. Take that, equality.

Good of you to admit that you're more concerned with having an easy life than the equal treatment of all people in society. Now we can just dismiss everything you say out of hand as the usual "But...but...my privilege!" whining.

Oh, because only blacks and minorities are allowed to be concerned with their own well-being. How brilliantly put, Ifreann. You know, beside the fact that no matter how many times you'll repeat it Goebbels-style, grossly favouring one group over another isn't equal treatment.

No matter how many times you'll repeat it "Goebbels-style", affirmative action does not involve grossly favouring one group over another. So sure, feel free to rant about the reverse racism you're imagining, or whatever. Let me know when you get back to actual Affirmative Action.

[Saiwania]

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Oh come on! You can quite obviously tell that she isn't White by her hair type and so far as the Spaniard goes, I would like to call into question his Spanish ancestry. Are you sure that he isn't at least partially Moorish instead?

[Greed and Death]

You obviously don't know many African Americans then. They aren't all pitch black or dark brown you know, there's quite a variation. There's some I know you would only think they have a good tan.

I don't think I believe for one second that there are any African Americans who have a skin tone Whiter than Europeans, but feel free to show a picture of one to prove me wrong.

You need to get out and meet more diverse groups of friends.

I live in an 84% White county, of course I'm not going to associate with many Black people; not that its a very high priority of mine.

This seems to suggest your avoiding 1/6 of the community in which you reside. This is not a good thing. Maybe some affirmative action programs are needed to expose you to a wider range of people.

[Xsyne]

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Oh come on! You can quite obviously tell that she isn't White by her hair type and so far as the Spaniard goes, I would like to call into question his Spanish ancestry. Are you sure that he isn't at least partially Moorish instead?

You asked for an African-American with lighter skin than a European. You got an African-American with lighter skin than a European. Don't move the goalposts.

By the way, I would like to call into question the fact that you have ever seen a single person from Spain in your life.

[Mavorpen]

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Oh come on! You can quite obviously tell that she isn't White by her hair type and so far as the Spaniard goes, I would like to call into question his Spanish ancestry. Are you sure that he isn't at least partially Moorish instead?

I LOVE your backpedaling.

Fist white is simple having light skin and having European ancestry. Now it's hair type. How fucking pathetic.

By the way, I know several white people with the same hair texture. You don't know many women do you?

[Saiwania]

This seems to suggest your avoiding 1/6 of the community in which you reside. This is not a good thing. Maybe some affirmative action programs are needed to expose you to a wider range of people.

You can't force people to like diversity. As soon as my neighborhood is no longer majority White, I'm leaving to move to Whiter pastures as soon as I can. Nothing personal against other races, but I want to enjoy the company of other White people and not stay where I'm in the minority. I happen to have a Black neighbor across the street and an Asian neighbor the next house down, but for the most part; I'm content with having no further dealings with them than necessary.

[Walshonian]

I'm with the economist I don't really have anything to add. Anyone care to counter with how it is good?

[Mavorpen]

This seems to suggest your avoiding 1/6 of the community in which you reside. This is not a good thing. Maybe some affirmative action programs are needed to expose you to a wider range of people.

You can't force people to like diversity. As soon as my neighborhood is no longer majority White, I'm leaving to move to Whiter pastures as soon as I can. Nothing personal against other races, but I want to enjoy the company of other White people and not stay where I'm in the minority. I happen to have a Black neighbor across the street and an Asian neighbor the next house down, but for the most part; I'm content with having no further dealings with them than necessary.

"I don't hate black people, I just want nothing to do with them. "

Seems legit.

[Greed and Death]

This seems to suggest your avoiding 1/6 of the community in which you reside. This is not a good thing. Maybe some affirmative action programs are needed to expose you to a wider range of people.

You can't force people to like diversity. As soon as my neighborhood is no longer majority White, I'm leaving to move to Whiter pastures as soon as I can. Nothing personal against other races, but I want to enjoy the company of other White people and not stay where I'm in the minority. I happen to have a Black neighbor across the street and an Asian neighbor the next house down, but for the most part; I'm content with having no further dealings with them than necessary.

No but I can force you to sit in a class with 1/6 black population.

[Great Sofannia]

You should accept everyone who meets the qualifications. No racial shit, no class size limits, none of that. No limitations. Everyone is welcome.

[Great Sofannia]

This seems to suggest your avoiding 1/6 of the community in which you reside. This is not a good thing. Maybe some affirmative action programs are needed to expose you to a wider range of people.

You can't force people to like diversity. As soon as my neighborhood is no longer majority White, I'm leaving to move to Whiter pastures as soon as I can. Nothing personal against other races, but I want to enjoy the company of other White people and not stay where I'm in the minority. I happen to have a Black neighbor across the street and an Asian neighbor the next house down, but for the most part; I'm content with having no further dealings with them than necessary.

How many black people in the United States are criminals?