The Economist Says Affirmative Action Is Bad Unsurprise

[Condunum]

We do.

Well, I'm sure many of "you" (whatever demographic "you" is) do, but the point is that with AA you don't necessarily have to do quite as much to achieve the same outcome.

Yes you do. AA doesn't say that you have to hire a black person who is less skilled than a white person. It says hire them when they're on equal footing.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

I say get rid of it. All it does is hold minority's hands who want equal rights as us and now that they have them it should no longer be in effect.

Why do you want to empower racists and sexists and what not?

It wouldn't and now a days when ever a minority doesn't get the job it automatically makes that company racist.

[Ifreann]

We do.

Well, I'm sure many of "you" (whatever demographic "you" is) do, but the point is that with AA you don't necessarily have to do quite as much to achieve the same outcome.

Actually they do. That's the whole point, actively ensuring that people are treated equally, regardless of sex, sexuality, race, nationality, etc, etc. Not just announcing an end to racism and then putting our feet up.

[Mavorpen]

Well, I'm sure many of "you" (whatever demographic "you" is) do, but the point is that with AA you don't necessarily have to do quite as much to achieve the same outcome.

Yes you do. AA doesn't say that you have to hire a black person who is less skilled than a white person. It says hire them when they're on equal footing.

It doesn't even say that. It simply says you can on the basis of a desire to increase diversity.

[Phocidaea]

Well, I'm sure many of "you" (whatever demographic "you" is) do, but the point is that with AA you don't necessarily have to do quite as much to achieve the same outcome.

Actually they do. That's the whole point, actively ensuring that people are treated equally, regardless of sex, sexuality, race, nationality, etc, etc. Not just announcing an end to racism and then putting our feet up.

I agree, that's the hypothetical goal of it, but it can very easily become reverse discrimination if done hamfistedly.

[Wamitoria]

Actually they do. That's the whole point, actively ensuring that people are treated equally, regardless of sex, sexuality, race, nationality, etc, etc. Not just announcing an end to racism and then putting our feet up.

I agree, that's the hypothetical goal of it, but it can very easily become reverse discrimination if done hamfistedly.

Hence why quotas and "point systems" are illegal.

[Mavorpen]

Actually they do. That's the whole point, actively ensuring that people are treated equally, regardless of sex, sexuality, race, nationality, etc, etc. Not just announcing an end to racism and then putting our feet up.

I agree, that's the hypothetical goal of it, but it can very easily become reverse discrimination if done hamfistedly.

And that's why we have courts. Seriously, why do people ignore the fact that we fucking have courts?

It's like arguing, "why give the police the power to arrest people? It can become discrimination if done hamfistedly." We. Have. Courts.

[Ifreann]

Why do you want to empower racists and sexists and what not?

It wouldn't

Absolutely it would empower such people to stop actively seeking to deny them influence. Unless you imagine that there is no more racism or sexism. Do you?

and now a days when ever a minority doesn't get the job it automatically makes that company racist.

Not really, no.

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It's not fair that I should be punished for being white or male.

But is it fair that you have vastly better access to the equipment and training required to get in, or that you inhabit one of the very few groups that nobody would question taking several years off real life to learn about History or moss or whatever?

The history of moss is surprisingly fascinating.

[Ifreann]

Actually they do. That's the whole point, actively ensuring that people are treated equally, regardless of sex, sexuality, race, nationality, etc, etc. Not just announcing an end to racism and then putting our feet up.

I agree, that's the hypothetical goal of it, but it can very easily become reverse discrimination if done hamfistedly.

Then oppose hamfistedness, not affirmative action.

[Saiwania]

I'm fully opposed to affirmative action on principle and partially because it will not ever be extended to White people even for when they become the minority in America.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

It wouldn't

Absolutely it would empower such people to stop actively seeking to deny them influence. Unless you imagine that there is no more racism or sexism. Do you?

and now a days when ever a minority doesn't get the job it automatically makes that company racist.

Not really, no.

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But is it fair that you have vastly better access to the equipment and training required to get in, or that you inhabit one of the very few groups that nobody would question taking several years off real life to learn about History or moss or whatever?

The history of moss is surprisingly fascinating.

No I won't try and say that racism and sexism is dead. But all affermitve action does is hold minority's hands and telling them that if they don't get the job it's because the company is racist.

[Wamitoria]

No I won't try and say that racism and sexism is dead. But all affermitve action does is hold minority's hands and telling them that if they don't get the job it's because the company is racist.

Not really.

[Mavorpen]

I agree, that's the hypothetical goal of it, but it can very easily become reverse discrimination if done hamfistedly.

Then oppose hamfistedness, not affirmative action.

"Are you seriously protesting hospitals?"

"Yes. Thousands die of infections obtained in hospitals."

"...Then protest inadequate hospital conditions."

"What? That's stupid."

[The Whispers]

I'm fully opposed to affirmative action on principle and partially because it will not ever be extended to White people even for when they become the minority in America.

Doesn't seem very likely they're going to be the minority in terms of money or power any time soon.

[Wamitoria]

I'm fully opposed to affirmative action on principle and partially because it will not ever be extended to White people even for when they become the minority in America.

Actually, should systematic discrimination begin occurring against white people being employed in America, they would be covered under these laws.

[Condunum]

Yes you do. AA doesn't say that you have to hire a black person who is less skilled than a white person. It says hire them when they're on equal footing.

It doesn't even say that. It simply says you can on the basis of a desire to increase diversity.

That was actually the intent of what I was saying, but I failed to word it properly.

[Ifreann]

I'm fully opposed to affirmative action on principle and partially because it will not ever be extended to White people even for when they become the minority in America.

You oppose affirmative action because of an imaginary future scenario you invented?

How do you type this shit without your brain bleeding?

[Mavorpen]

I'm fully opposed to affirmative action on principle and partially because it will not ever be extended to White people even for when they become the minority in America.

But it IS extended to white people, by law. The simple fact is, however, many universities and companies find that the diversity in their respective system is low and hence why minorities such as African Americans are desired.

[Mavorpen]

It doesn't even say that. It simply says you can on the basis of a desire to increase diversity.

That was actually the intent of what I was saying, but I failed to word it properly.

I know. I was more or less clarifying your post.

[Ifreann]

Absolutely it would empower such people to stop actively seeking to deny them influence. Unless you imagine that there is no more racism or sexism. Do you?

Not really, no.

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The history of moss is surprisingly fascinating.

No I won't try and say that racism and sexism is dead.

Then we still need affirmative action.

But all affermitve action does is hold minority's hands and telling them that if they don't get the job it's because the company is racist.

It does nothing of the sort, as has been pointed out several times. You could as easily say that it holds straight white men's hands and tells them that if they don't get a job, it's because of affirmative action.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

No I won't try and say that racism and sexism is dead. But all affermitve action does is hold minority's hands and telling them that if they don't get the job it's because the company is racist.

Not really.

YES actually forcing a company to have a certain amount of minoritys in it is wrong I bet if I wasn't given the job at a company run by a black or I got fired for no reason and i tried to sue for wrongful termination I would be called a racist.

[Condunum]

That was actually the intent of what I was saying, but I failed to word it properly.

I know. I was more or less clarifying your post.

Well, I'm glad someone understood and cleared it up

[Mavorpen]

Absolutely it would empower such people to stop actively seeking to deny them influence. Unless you imagine that there is no more racism or sexism. Do you?

Not really, no.

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The history of moss is surprisingly fascinating.

No I won't try and say that racism and sexism is dead. But all affermitve action does is hold minority's hands and telling them that if they don't get the job it's because the company is racist.

And in the same light, because I'm black and support affirmative action, I must be a lazy nigger who wants free stuff, right?

Or, we can just grow the fuck up and not enter into tin foil hat territory.

[Mavorpen]

Not really.

YES actually forcing a company to have a certain amount of minoritys in it is wrong I bet if I wasn't given the job at a company run by a black or I got fired for no reason and i tried to sue for wrongful termination I would be called a racist.

Are you even TRYING to fucking read the posts being typed? Quotes are ILLEGAL. You are literally tilting at windmills.

[Condunum]

Not really.

YES actually forcing a company to have a certain amount of minoritys in it is wrong I bet if I wasn't given the job at a company run by a black or I got fired for no reason and i tried to sue for wrongful termination I would be called a racist.

That's not what it does.