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Mike the Progressive
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:15 pm

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Of course not, they are very different, though one can argue they both had dictators who committed genocide and acted as bullies in their sphere of influence.

But how just the cause may be does not diminish the fact that "war crimes" were committed. You say because WW2 was a "just" war, that the death of Japanese and German civilians was acceptable to a degree where FDR would not be considered a war criminal. To which I say bullshit.

Actually, all I was doing is pointing out the difference in degree of evil. FDR had a lot of blood on his hands, nobody is going to deny that, but Bush he ain't.


Sorry, come again?

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Postby Torisakia » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:17 pm

If we're lucky, the government will be collapsed by 2016.
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Postby Resora » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:17 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Resora wrote:Actually, all I was doing is pointing out the difference in degree of evil. FDR had a lot of blood on his hands, nobody is going to deny that, but Bush he ain't.


Sorry, come again?

I believe it's been pretty well covered already.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:19 pm

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Sorry, come again?

I believe it's been pretty well covered already.


Er, I only ask that you extend me the courtesy of better explaining your argument. Because the only thing I got from it was Reagan and Bush did it for money, so they are war criminals...which really doesn't make you a war criminal, but ok?

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Postby Republik auf Texas » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:21 pm

RON PAUL! obama is nothing more than a socialist that needs to be impeached him & biden aswell ass Bloomberg,Pelosi,Feinstein all are Anti-America
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:23 pm

Republik auf Texas wrote:RON PAUL! obama is nothing more than a socialist that needs to be impeached him & biden aswell ass Bloomberg,Pelosi,Feinstein all are Anti-America


Well I don't know what Bloomberg has anything to do with Obama and the Democrats , but I've been saying we should impeach Obama for years.

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RON PAUL! obama is nothing more than a socialist that needs to be impeached him & biden aswell ass Bloomberg,Pelosi,Feinstein all are Anti-America
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:25 pm

Republik auf Texas wrote:RON PAUL! obama is nothing more than a socialist that needs to be impeached him & biden aswell ass Bloomberg,Pelosi,Feinstein all are Anti-America


Ron Paul is awful.

Obama's also not even anything close to a socialist.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:25 pm

Republik auf Texas wrote:RON PAUL! obama is nothing more than a socialist that needs to be impeached him & biden aswell ass Bloomberg,Pelosi,Feinstein all are Anti-America


We heard the first time.

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Postby Resora » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:26 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Resora wrote:I believe it's been pretty well covered already.


Er, I only ask that you extend me the courtesy of better explaining your argument. Because the only thing I got from it was Reagan and Bush did it for money, so they are war criminals...which really doesn't make you a war criminal, but ok?


The entire argument started with my accusing Reagan and Bush of war crimes, to which you implied they were equally guilty of crimes against humanity as every other US president -- the argument over the specific definition of war criminal is irrelevant because I was using it as a way to denigrate grossly unjust war, and you were using it as a way to equate presidents with wildly different levels of guilt.

Republik auf Texas wrote:RON PAUL! obama is nothing more than a socialist that needs to be impeached him & biden aswell ass Bloomberg,Pelosi,Feinstein all are Anti-America

Ron Paul opposes the Incorporation Doctrine. In simpler words (as I suspect someone silly enough to use a term like "Anti-America" needs), he rejects the Bill of Rights using the exact same rationale North Carolina used to justify their recent attempt at a state religion.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:28 pm

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Republik auf Texas wrote:RON PAUL! obama is nothing more than a socialist that needs to be impeached him & biden aswell ass Bloomberg,Pelosi,Feinstein all are Anti-America


We heard the first time.


He's just really excited. His mom left him alone, and he had his first can of coca cola and was like "fuck it, I'm going wild on NSG." God bless the kids, they are our future you know? Regardless of how much we should euthanize the little bastards.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:54 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:What Would Really Happen If Ron Paul Were To Be Elected President?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi192.html

More people here shouldn't forget Dr. Paul.


Ron Paul would have made the shrub look brilliant.

He would have accomplished next to nothing.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:59 pm

German-Spanish Empire wrote:Rubio 2016


Won't happen. His voting against reestablishing the violence against women act will loose him a chunk of the women's vote.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:02 pm

Torisakia wrote:If we're lucky, the government will be collapsed by 2016.


If what you're really looking for is a failed government, you don't have to wait for it here, you can go and find it.

Why do the people calling for the collapse of the system always want it to happen somewhere safe and successful? It's like praying for rain in the middle of a desert - go find what you want.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:03 pm

Republik auf Texas wrote:RON PAUL! obama is nothing more than a socialist that needs to be impeached...


'Impeached' doesn't just mean 'I don't like him".

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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:06 pm

(THought I was posting on this topic earlier; oops)

It looks like Rubio is indeed the next Sarah Palin.

Now to find some safe white Anglo Saxon male to be the real president, while Rubio smiles and waves.

That couldn't be Jeb Bush; too much Florida.

hmmm....?

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:10 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:OK, here you go (bunch of links to scholarly articles here):

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2012/0 ... n_the.html

A couple about the Great Depression you can read:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/421169

http://www.econ.ucla.edu/files/senate_t ... hanian.pdf

Only one of those is a scholarly source.


The 3rd source is testimony for a senate committee by a UCLA economics professor. UCLA is a well known and respected US university and it is doubtful they would hire a man that lacks any knowledge of his field. Testimony before US senate committees is serious and if this man presented made up facts it is likely they would be shot down and his reputation would be toast. I rate it as a good source because of the writer and the reason he is presenting his facts.

It is not a blog post made with mere opinions.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:11 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:The 3rd source is testimony for a senate committee by a UCLA economics professor. UCLA is a well known and respected US university and it is doubtful they would hire a man that lacks any knowledge of his field. Testimony before US senate committees is serious and if this man presented made up facts it is likely they would be shot down and his reputation would be toast. I rate it as a good source because of the writer and the reason he is presenting his facts.

It is not a blog post made with mere opinions.

That's...nice? You claimed it was a scholarly source. That's false. I corrected you.
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Postby Silician » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:16 pm

President Jon Stewart and Vice-President Stephen Colbert. :lol:
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:35 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:The 3rd source is testimony for a senate committee by a UCLA economics professor. UCLA is a well known and respected US university and it is doubtful they would hire a man that lacks any knowledge of his field. Testimony before US senate committees is serious and if this man presented made up facts it is likely they would be shot down and his reputation would be toast. I rate it as a good source because of the writer and the reason he is presenting his facts.

It is not a blog post made with mere opinions.

That's...nice? You claimed it was a scholarly source. That's false. I corrected you.


OK, maybe not scholarly. Still, do you think it is a worthess source?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:36 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's...nice? You claimed it was a scholarly source. That's false. I corrected you.


OK, maybe not scholarly. Still, do you think it is a worthess source?

No. I didn't say that. I didn't even imply it. The source is wrong, but I didn't say it's worthless.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:44 pm

Silician wrote:President Jon Stewart and Vice-President Stephen Colbert. :lol:


Their political views are very different though. It is like Ron Paul and Hilary Clinton on the same ticket.

Stewart would be dangerous and would probably hike the income tax rate to 70% and raise minimum wage to $15 an hour if he has his way. He would also probably be cool with letting in a bunch of dangerous immigrants in. The economy would collapse if he became leader.

I will agree with his stances on banning torture and legalizing weed though.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:47 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Silician wrote:President Jon Stewart and Vice-President Stephen Colbert. :lol:


Their political views are very different though. It is like Ron Paul and Hilary Clinton on the same ticket.

Stewart would be dangerous and would probably hike the income tax rate to 70% and raise minimum wage to $15 an hour if he has his way. He would also probably be cool with letting in a bunch of dangerous immigrants in. The economy would collapse if he became leader.

I will agree with his stances on banning torture and legalizing weed though.


...you realise Colbert is parody, right?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:48 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Silician wrote:President Jon Stewart and Vice-President Stephen Colbert. :lol:


Their political views are very different though. It is like Ron Paul and Hilary Clinton on the same ticket.

Stewart would be dangerous and would probably hike the income tax rate to 70% and raise minimum wage to $15 an hour if he has his way. He would also probably be cool with letting in a bunch of dangerous immigrants in. The economy would collapse if he became leader.

I will agree with his stances on banning torture and legalizing weed though.

Fucking. Lol'd.
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