2016 Presidental canidates

[Farnhamia]

Chris Christie/Rand Paul

The Tea Party will never, ever accept Christie, I mean, he touched Obama. Cooties are forever, my friend.

[Northern Molovsky]

Yes I kniw that it is a public space, but still I was asking for your opinion, not his. And no I am not trying to form a bible club, just interested in the right of people being able to pray & as you pointed out and I have witnessed firsthand, seeing administrators abuse their power is definitely a problem, especially when used to project their personal bias's onto others.

My opinion is in complete agreement with the law. People should pray wherever they want as long as their prayer isn't a massive disruption or isn't designed to shame me or any other non-believers publicly.

And bible clubs are fine as long as they aren't school-sponsored and seen as a state endorsement of religion.

for the most part we are not in conflict then, the only thing I can see is a point by SCOTUS in the stone v.graham case in which the supreme court ruled that it is unconstitutional to pray aloud over one's lunch. So there is a official court opinion against personal practice of religion in the school system, which I do not agree with, especially given that the student was not causing any major disruption or conducting it during class time.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

Chris Christie/Rand Paul

The Tea Party will never, ever accept Christie, I mean, he touched Obama. Cooties are forever, my friend.

I'm stating the team I'd like to see go for the White House. Ron Paul is retired and I don't care for most of the Republicans or Democrats. (By the way, the term "Tea Party" has been thrown around quite a lot. Ron Paul is Tea Party. Rand Paul is Tea Party. Sarah Palin is not Tea Party. Newt Gingrich is not Tea Party.)

[Mike the Progressive]

But it's not the only example. There's a long history of government programs being wasteful, inefficient and a mess. This of course doesn't mean we don't need them, but don't naively think they are competitive. The private sector is far more efficient and resourceful, but that's not always what we are going for.

There's an equally long history of private programs being wasteful, inefficient, and a mess.

Absolutely, because they were either a). heavily subsidized by the government (auto bailouts, bank bailouts, airline bailouts, fuck even railroad bailouts), collapsed once those subsidies ended, costing Christ only knows how many billions of dollars to the taxpayers; or b). went out of business because as a private industry they were wasteful, inefficient, a mess and unable to compete.

The difference being that's not always true with government programs, nor should it necessarily be (which is my fucking point). Public programs do not necessarily exist to be efficient and make profits, they serve to help. But I'm not going to fucking pretend that private industries are not more efficient, because they are. But the problem is the degree of ruthlessness that is required to succeed in the open market is not necessarily a good thing for programs operated by the government to keep a safety net for Americans who need help.

[Mike the Progressive]

But it's not the only example. There's a long history of government programs being wasteful, inefficient and a mess. This of course doesn't mean we don't need them, but don't naively think they are competitive. The private sector is far more efficient and resourceful, but that's not always what we are going for.

Some are wasteful yes, but not all. DARPA and NASA alone have been at least partly responsible for a lot of the technological innovations these days. Including the recently released Google Glasses.

Not only that, there are several great things that came out of defense spending, as well as other government programs...but they did so not out of demand, but necessity. The problem really is you can't compare government programs to private industry because they are for two very different things and have two very different goals. Which is my point. Sometimes you tolerate those inefficiencies, because the goal is something not necessarily in demand by the market, but required for the nation.

[Farnhamia]

The Tea Party will never, ever accept Christie, I mean, he touched Obama. Cooties are forever, my friend.

I'm stating the team I'd like to see go for the White House. Ron Paul is retired and I don't care for most of the Republicans or Democrats. (By the way, the term "Tea Party" has been thrown around quite a lot. Ron Paul is Tea Party. Rand Paul is Tea Party. Sarah Palin is not Tea Party. Newt Gingrich is not Tea Party.)

I was simply saying why your Dream Team is just that, a dream. And I find your tap-dance around who is and isn't "Tea Party" amusing.

[Benomia]

I would actually want either Brent Allison, Gary Johnson, Doug Barnes, Jack Barnes, or anyone from the RCP.

Gary Johnson the candidate who claims to be socially left but will shrink the government, yet as a governor he increased government spending every single year while enacting socially conservative government that filled prisons up with marijuana users?

Sorry, I like my politicians honest.

Honesty? Oh, please. I prefer politicians that lie, because it shows that they have courage!

[Death Metal]

(By the way, the term "Tea Party" has been thrown around quite a lot. Ron Paul is Tea Party. Rand Paul is Tea Party. Sarah Palin is notTea Party. Newt Gingrich is not Tea Party.)

They are all, however, pro-big-government, anti-civil-rights, and overall disgusting human people.

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[Benomia]

I would actually want either Brent Allison, Gary Johnson, Doug Barnes, Jack Barnes, or anyone from the RCP.

Gary Johnson the candidate who claims to be socially left but will shrink the government, yet as a governor he increased government spending every single year while enacting socially conservative government that filled prisons up with marijuana users?

Sorry, I like my politicians honest.

Honesty? Oh, please. I prefer politicians that lie, because it shows that they have courage!

[Ashmoria]

Chris Christie/Rand Paul

I would like to take this opportunity to mock rand paul for objecting to the idea of using drones inside the US to peek into people's backyards but being totally cool with the idea of the summary execution of small time bank robbers by those same drones.

hot tubs are sacred, life not so much.

[Ashmoria]

The Tea Party will never, ever accept Christie, I mean, he touched Obama. Cooties are forever, my friend.

I'm stating the team I'd like to see go for the White House. Ron Paul is retired and I don't care for most of the Republicans or Democrats. (By the way, the term "Tea Party" has been thrown around quite a lot. Ron Paul is Tea Party. Rand Paul is Tea Party. Sarah Palin is not Tea Party. Newt Gingrich is not Tea Party.)

in what universe is sarah palin not tea party?

[Wikkiwallana]

I'm stating the team I'd like to see go for the White House. Ron Paul is retired and I don't care for most of the Republicans or Democrats. (By the way, the term "Tea Party" has been thrown around quite a lot. Ron Paul is Tea Party. Rand Paul is Tea Party. Sarah Palin is not Tea Party. Newt Gingrich is not Tea Party.)

in what universe is sarah palin not tea party?

No True Scotsland.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I would like to see someone like Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein run for president, but I doubt most Americans would be keen on a Socialist or a Social Democrat seeing as how the "Liberal" Democratic Party is seen as left-wing the States, but I digress. I'm not really looking at anyone in particular, but someone who has similar beliefs to Sen. Sanders or Jill Stein would be nice to see.

Stein is insane. Sanders isn't as bad, though he comes close.

[Wikkiwallana]

I would like to see someone like Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein run for president, but I doubt most Americans would be keen on a Socialist or a Social Democrat seeing as how the "Liberal" Democratic Party is seen as left-wing the States, but I digress. I'm not really looking at anyone in particular, but someone who has similar beliefs to Sen. Sanders or Jill Stein would be nice to see.

Stein is insane. Sanders isn't as bad, though he comes close.

What makes them insane? I honestly can't say I know all that much about them.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Stein is insane. Sanders isn't as bad, though he comes close.

What makes them insane? I honestly can't say I know all that much about them.

Less Stein and more the greens as a whole.

http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/2010/Platform2010.pdf

"1. The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, im- partial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."

Another questionable thing I found:

"We support the funding and practice of holistic health approaches and as appropriate, the use of complementary and alter- native therapies such as herbal medicines, homeopathy, naturopathy, traditional Chinese medicine and other healing approaches."

More:

"The human community is an element of the Earth community, not the other way around. All human en- deavors are situated within the dynamics of the biosphere. If we wish to have sustainable institutions and enterprises, they must fit well with the processes of the Earth. The ideology of industrialism, in both capitalist and communist countries, insists that modern society lives on top of nature and should rightly use and despoil the rest of the natural world as we desire — because any loss of the ecosystems is merely an “exter- nality” in economic thought and because any problems can be addressed later by a technological fix. We are now living through the painful consequences of that arrogant, ignorant perspective. Many of our children suffer from accumulations of mercury and other toxins in their neurological systems, environmentally related cancer is on the rise, and our air and water are increasingly polluted. Meanwhile, our ecosystems are being compromised by the spreading presence of genetically engineered organisms."

Note the technophobia and the opposition to GMOs.

"The Green Party supports only the peaceful and sustain- able exploration of Space, on a case by case, mission- specific basis, including the signing of the International Treaty for the Demilitarization of Space. The Green Party advocates a reduction of human-staffed space flight due to the high cost and risk for human life and the availability of automated technology that can per- form necessary functions in space-based research."

Note the opposition to manned space exploration.

Opposition to nuclear power:

"a. Many other solutions being pushed,includingnuclear power, coal, industrial-scale biofuels, and low-grade fossil fuels such as oil shale and tar sands, create more problems than they solve."

Sanders is just a bit too leftist for me. And far too leftist for the majority of americans. I don't mind him all the time, but I'd rather someone less idealistic and more moderate in as president.

[Wikkiwallana]

What makes them insane? I honestly can't say I know all that much about them.

Less Stein and more the greens as a whole.

http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/2010/Platform2010.pdf

"1. The Green Party calls for a complete, thorough, im- partial, and independent investigation of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, including the role of the administration of George W, Bush, various U.S. based corporations and interests, and other nations and third parties."

Another questionable thing I found:

"We support the funding and practice of holistic health approaches and as appropriate, the use of complementary and alter- native therapies such as herbal medicines, homeopathy, naturopathy, traditional Chinese medicine and other healing approaches."

More:

"The human community is an element of the Earth community, not the other way around. All human en- deavors are situated within the dynamics of the biosphere. If we wish to have sustainable institutions and enterprises, they must fit well with the processes of the Earth. The ideology of industrialism, in both capitalist and communist countries, insists that modern society lives on top of nature and should rightly use and despoil the rest of the natural world as we desire — because any loss of the ecosystems is merely an “exter- nality” in economic thought and because any problems can be addressed later by a technological fix. We are now living through the painful consequences of that arrogant, ignorant perspective. Many of our children suffer from accumulations of mercury and other toxins in their neurological systems, environmentally related cancer is on the rise, and our air and water are increasingly polluted. Meanwhile, our ecosystems are being compromised by the spreading presence of genetically engineered organisms."

Note the technophobia and the opposition to GMOs.

"The Green Party supports only the peaceful and sustain- able exploration of Space, on a case by case, mission- specific basis, including the signing of the International Treaty for the Demilitarization of Space. The Green Party advocates a reduction of human-staffed space flight due to the high cost and risk for human life and the availability of automated technology that can per- form necessary functions in space-based research."

Note the opposition to manned space exploration.

Opposition to nuclear power:

"a. Many other solutions being pushed,includingnuclear power, coal, industrial-scale biofuels, and low-grade fossil fuels such as oil shale and tar sands, create more problems than they solve."

Sanders is just a bit too leftist for me. And far too leftist for the majority of americans. I don't mind him all the time, but I'd rather someone less idealistic and more moderate in as president.

Huh, I had previously wondered about looking into the Greens, should the GOP ever weaken to the point that a new party might become one of the top 2. Now I'm not touching them with a 10 foot pole.

[Zaporizhie (Ancient)]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jill Stein run again, she had my vote this time and would again next time.

[Farnhamia]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jill Stein run again, she had my vote this time and would again next time.

Really?

[The Steel Magnolia]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jill Stein run again, she had my vote this time and would again next time.

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[The Steel Magnolia]

Huh, I had previously wondered about looking into the Greens, should the GOP ever weaken to the point that a new party might become one of the top 2. Now I'm not touching them with a 10 foot pole.

In fairness it's not particularly obvious unless you go digging through their party platform. I used to like them a lot too, or at least, as much as I liked any third party in the US.

Not anymore.

[Farnhamia]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jill Stein run again, she had my vote this time and would again next time.

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Scroll up, scroll up for the mystery tour.
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Scroll up AND THAT'S AN INVITATION, scroll up for the mystery tour.
Scroll up TO MAKE A RESERVATION, scroll up for the mystery tour.
The magical mystery tour is waiting to take you away,
Waiting to take you away.

[Zaporizhie (Ancient)]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jill Stein run again, she had my vote this time and would again next time.

Really?

Yes, really. While I do not agree with some of its teachings, I did like Stein's economic plan and that was my reason of voting for her in this past election.

[Norstal]

The Chinese Communist Party please.

Xi Jinping as both president and vice president.

[Norstal]

Really?

Yes, really. While I do not agree with some of its teachings, I did like Stein's economic plan and that was my reason of voting for her in this past election.

Ewww, one-issue voters.

[Ruridova]

From what I've heard, people are expecting Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton as Democratic candidates and Christ Christie, Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio as Republican candidates.