2016 Presidental canidates

[Northern Molovsky]

Thats debatable.

And irrelevant, other than a point against them anyway. If a poor public school is doing badly, allowing and even facilitating the departure of anyone able to afford a better private school is quite possibly the worst thing that could be done.

If a school is doing poorly, you don't deplete it of its most able boosters.

great job obstructing the freedom to choose where to get ones education . And if they choose to leave to get a better education elsewhere I see no harm in it, their is nothing wrong with promoting an selective highly qualified academic environment.

[Wamitoria]

Which were largely trumped up by religious leaders in the occupied areas of Israel.

This has nothing to do with Presidential candidates. Migrate back to topic land, plox.

But he was nominated by Cosara. Whatever!

Does anyone think Santorum will run again? I enjoyed the show from 2012.

I wouldn't be surprised. Assuming Rand Paul runs, he won't be able to make much of a splash.

[Wikkiwallana]

Ron Paul

Keep dreaming.

[Maurepas]

And irrelevant, other than a point against them anyway. If a poor public school is doing badly, allowing and even facilitating the departure of anyone able to afford a better private school is quite possibly the worst thing that could be done.

If a school is doing poorly, you don't deplete it of its most able boosters.

great job obstructing the freedom to choose where to get ones education . And if they choose to leave to get a better education elsewhere I see no harm in it, their is nothing wrong with promoting an selective highly qualified academic environment.

There is harm to the students who get left behind. I would rather the small loss of ability to "choose" vs a system that keeps the poor schools poor and the private schools rich.

[Death Metal]

Ron Paul

Keep dreaming.

After all, Ron Paul has dreamed of a world where the Supreme Court can't protect the rights of women, gays, and blacks for years now.

[Cosara]

So you view anything that Fox News does as biased and unacceptable.

Pretty much.

Here's what it says:

I read it. Its the same old revisionist song and dance the Evangelical Republicans in this country have been trying to get the rest of the country to sing along to for a while now.

Its bullshit.

Really? Even verses from the bible can't convince you? Ok, what do you think Jesus's Fiscal Alignment was?

[Wikkiwallana]

Piss off.

the link worked but pointed out that Ron Paul wanted to protect the right to use a non denominational prayer in public schools as protection of freedom of expression, how exactly does that go against the first amendment as the link you posted claims?

Because even a non-denomenational prayer is still a prayer.

[Northern Molovsky]

Well in my opinion its better than the alternative, obstructing freedom of expression through optional non-denominational prayer. And while SCOTUS may have decided in favor of strict no religion in schools, it doesn't mean I can't take issue with it.

Since when is not having a prayer over the intercom at a public institution denying you freedom of expression?

I've known many students who pray before school. They seemed just fine.

And I never said that you couldn't take issue. I was just giving an example as to why that couldn't happen within the confines of American law.

1. when did I ever insinuate that the prayer was going on over the intercom? I was implying that should they choose to they be allowed to pray individually or with some type of school club like a bible club.
2. Sure, but why shouldn't they be allowed to pray during school if they do so on an individual basis?
3. We can agree on this.

[Mkuki]

Ron Paul

Why?

[Cosara]

Thats debatable.

And irrelevant, other than a point against them anyway. If a poor public school is doing badly, allowing and even facilitating the departure of anyone able to afford a better private school is quite possibly the worst thing that could be done.

If a school is doing poorly, you don't deplete it of its most able boosters.

[Wikkiwallana]

Jesus would never win in the US, he's a social democrat.

Jesus Christ = Socially Conservative, Fiscally Capitalist (This does point towards him being Capitalist)

Please reconcile his constant preaching of poverty as perfection with capitalism. Go on, I'll be waiting.

[Wikkiwallana]

Because Atheism is actually a thing.

So, you'd want to tell the Religious "Sorry, but any expression of your faith is UNACCEPTABLE." just to keep the Atheists happy?

Individual expressions are fine, government endorsements are not.

[Wamitoria]

Since when is not having a prayer over the intercom at a public institution denying you freedom of expression?

I've known many students who pray before school. They seemed just fine.

And I never said that you couldn't take issue. I was just giving an example as to why that couldn't happen within the confines of American law.

1. when did I ever insinuate that the prayer was going on over the intercom? I was implying that should they choose to they be allowed to pray individually or with some type of school club like a bible club.
2. Sure, but why shouldn't they be allowed to pray during school if they do so on an individual basis?
3. We can agree on this.

1. I'm not sure how that would work. Would bible club be a school sponsored club or would a bunch of students just use some space to gather and talk about their faith? IIRC, the latter is perfectly fine under US law.
2. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they are as long as it doesn't disrupt school activities.

[Choronzon]

Even verses from the bible can't convince you?

Why should they convince me when verses from the Bible can't even convince you?

Ok, what do you think Jesus's Fiscal Alignment was?

Jesus wasn't making a fiscal argument. It wasn't the point. But what he does say seems to suggest that he most certainly was not a capitalist.

Tell me, if everything is in the Bible is the unbreakable command of God why is Christian charity the only thing thats voluntary?

[Cosara]

Jesus Christ = Socially Conservative, Fiscally Capitalist (This does point towards him being Capitalist)

Please reconcile his constant preaching of poverty as perfection with capitalism. Go on, I'll be waiting.

Point me towards those verses. I'll be waiting.

[Farnhamia]

And I couldn't be happier. I really want the Tea Party vetting Republican candidates in 2016.

For the better part of a year, the country has survived, somehow, without a House Tea Party Caucus. A group that once boiled with anti-government furor went dormant last summer as the Tea Party’s popularity plummeted and its leader, Michele Bachmann, struggled to get re-elected. Ten caucus members lost their jobs in November. The sniping about the House Republican leadership — not to mention President Obama — quieted down, and so did the tweets championing Barry Goldwater’s still-radioactive support of extremism.

(The caucus also brought us gems like this one, from the caucus’s Twitter stream last July: “This week’s featured Member is @RepToddAkin. Click here to learn more about him: http://tiny.cc/00o6gw #tcot #TeaParty.” Hint: don’t bother to click.)

But on Thursday the caucus is holding a reception to “relaunch” itself, according to Roll Call—a cause for celebration if you’re a connoisseur of Republican disorder. It’s been ages since caucus-members sponsored a “birther” bill, reminding the public of the racism and nativism that swirls around the extreme right. It’s been ages since Ms. Bachmann and others fought against raising the debt ceiling, and practically cheered for the government default that would result. (They promised that it would not be a catastrophe because the White House could easily prioritize which debts to pay off.) And it’s been years since the caucus issued a budget to the right of Paul Ryan’s — and to the right of the very conservative Republican Study Committee — advocating unimaginable cuts that would make the current sequester seem like a liberal fantasy.

House Republican leaders can’t be happy about this development. They’ve been desperately trying to rebrand their party, making it more palatable to suburban voters who were turned off by the caucus’s “you lie!” stridency. The immigration bill now inching through Congress is one fruit of that effort, but Tea Party Caucus members have promised to rip it apart or severely water it down once it reaches the House.

The right-wing undermining of House leaders was also evident on Wednesday, when Majority Leader Eric Cantor pulled a bill that would have moved money from the prevention fund in the health care reform law to high-risk insurance pools. Mr. Cantor wanted to show that that the law was deeply flawed but that his party still cared about poor people with pre-existing conditions. House conservatives, however, want only to repeal the health-care law, and refused to vote for any bill that merely made adjustments to it.

The Tea Party, or what remains of it, has no interest in rebranding, and even the presence of a smaller, less influential caucus will exert an ideological tug on less radical Republicans. On Wednesday, in fact, the House Ways and Means Committee approved a bill that would, once again, prioritize the nation’s debt in the event of a default when the debt ceiling expires this summer. Mainstream voters who might have thought the Republican Party had left all that behind should think again.

[Kamchastkia]

Micheal Moore and Cenk Uygur.

Like that would happen.

However, in all seriousness Hillary Clinton will most probably run, Obama has been endorsing her like CRAZY.

Yes a guy who is to afraid to say his true political ideology, and someone who doesn't know shit about anything outside the united states. Good combination.

[Neutraligon]

Stewart/Colbert 2016

[Northern Molovsky]

1. when did I ever insinuate that the prayer was going on over the intercom? I was implying that should they choose to they be allowed to pray individually or with some type of school club like a bible club.
2. Sure, but why shouldn't they be allowed to pray during school if they do so on an individual basis?
3. We can agree on this.

1. I'm not sure how that would work. Would bible club be a school sponsored club or would a bunch of students just use some space to gather and talk about their faith? IIRC, the latter is perfectly fine under US law.
2. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they are as long as it doesn't disrupt school activities.

1. Another point I can agree upon, I oppose enforced atheism, not secular systems as a whole, its just there have been some cases where administrators have gone out of their way to oppose individual religious prayers.
2. How do you define disrupt?

[Farnhamia]

Please reconcile his constant preaching of poverty as perfection with capitalism. Go on, I'll be waiting.

Point me towards those verses. I'll be waiting.

Matthew 19:

²¹ Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

²² When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

²³ Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. ²⁴ Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

²⁵ When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

²⁶ Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

²⁷ Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”

²⁸ Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. ²⁹ And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[e] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. ³⁰ But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

[Olivaero]

Pretty much.

I read it. Its the same old revisionist song and dance the Evangelical Republicans in this country have been trying to get the rest of the country to sing along to for a while now.

Its bullshit.

Really? Even verses from the bible can't convince you? Ok, what do you think Jesus's Fiscal Alignment was?

It's just so obvious he was a capitalist isn't it Cosara? I mean he said it was really easy for the rich to get into heaven didn't he? owait.

EDIT Ninja'd along with bible quote from Farn...

[Benomia]

Samuel Webb.

[Mkuki]

And I couldn't be happier. I really want the Tea Party vetting Republican candidates in 2016.

For the better part of a year, the country has survived, somehow, without a House Tea Party Caucus. A group that once boiled with anti-government furor went dormant last summer as the Tea Party’s popularity plummeted and its leader, Michele Bachmann, struggled to get re-elected. Ten caucus members lost their jobs in November. The sniping about the House Republican leadership — not to mention President Obama — quieted down, and so did the tweets championing Barry Goldwater’s still-radioactive support of extremism.

(The caucus also brought us gems like this one, from the caucus’s Twitter stream last July: “This week’s featured Member is @RepToddAkin. Click here to learn more about him: http://tiny.cc/00o6gw #tcot #TeaParty.” Hint: don’t bother to click.)

But on Thursday the caucus is holding a reception to “relaunch” itself, according to Roll Call—a cause for celebration if you’re a connoisseur of Republican disorder. It’s been ages since caucus-members sponsored a “birther” bill, reminding the public of the racism and nativism that swirls around the extreme right. It’s been ages since Ms. Bachmann and others fought against raising the debt ceiling, and practically cheered for the government default that would result. (They promised that it would not be a catastrophe because the White House could easily prioritize which debts to pay off.) And it’s been years since the caucus issued a budget to the right of Paul Ryan’s — and to the right of the very conservative Republican Study Committee — advocating unimaginable cuts that would make the current sequester seem like a liberal fantasy.

House Republican leaders can’t be happy about this development. They’ve been desperately trying to rebrand their party, making it more palatable to suburban voters who were turned off by the caucus’s “you lie!” stridency. The immigration bill now inching through Congress is one fruit of that effort, but Tea Party Caucus members have promised to rip it apart or severely water it down once it reaches the House.

The right-wing undermining of House leaders was also evident on Wednesday, when Majority Leader Eric Cantor pulled a bill that would have moved money from the prevention fund in the health care reform law to high-risk insurance pools. Mr. Cantor wanted to show that that the law was deeply flawed but that his party still cared about poor people with pre-existing conditions. House conservatives, however, want only to repeal the health-care law, and refused to vote for any bill that merely made adjustments to it.

The Tea Party, or what remains of it, has no interest in rebranding, and even the presence of a smaller, less influential caucus will exert an ideological tug on less radical Republicans. On Wednesday, in fact, the House Ways and Means Committee approved a bill that would, once again, prioritize the nation’s debt in the event of a default when the debt ceiling expires this summer. Mainstream voters who might have thought the Republican Party had left all that behind should think again.

Goddamit! This is bad. The problem isn't the Presidency. The Problem is some of these wackjobs will be elected into the House and Senate. Thereby making the dysfunction worse.

[Kamchastkia]

Samuel Webb.

Why would a communist want a revisionist elected? D:

[Neutraligon]

1. I'm not sure how that would work. Would bible club be a school sponsored club or would a bunch of students just use some space to gather and talk about their faith? IIRC, the latter is perfectly fine under US law.
2. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they are as long as it doesn't disrupt school activities.

1. Another point I can agree upon, I oppose enforced atheism, not secular systems as a whole, its just there have been some cases where administrators have gone out of their way to oppose individual religious prayers.
2. How do you define disrupt?

Can you source the principals going out of their way to disrupt religious prayer?
Praying loudly during class, doing anything that gets in the way of teaching a class.