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Your View of Homosexuality

Your Born that way
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It's a choice
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It's a sin
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Who really cares?
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Postby Bianchi » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:18 am

If you think there is something wrong with gay people then most likely there is something wrong with you.

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Postby Russadonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:19 am

West Macedonia wrote:It's a choice.. btw i hate gays


It is unfortunate that you would judge someone for something that they cannot control.

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Postby Veceria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:19 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
As much as you obviously try very hard, you still don't have a monopoly on saying stupid things.

:eyebrow:

You can't honestly say modern liberals don't glorify homosexuality, they parade it about like it's some sort of divine trait or something. All this "gay pride" and "2Q2BSRT8" is ridiculous and degenerate, we get it you're gay.

I can't take someone who blames 'liberals' in about every second post (s)he posts seriously.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:19 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:You can't honestly say modern liberals don't glorify homosexuality, they parade it about like it's some sort of divine trait or something. All this "gay pride" and "2Q2BSRT8" is ridiculous and degenerate, we get it you're gay.

Ah, I get it now. You don't actually know what an LGBT pride parade is supposed to do, do you?

To put it bluntly, it's advertising. Society has this nasty habit of compartmentalizing and hiding under the rug what it does not consider natural, or otherwise openly opposing it. With sexuality, this takes the form of, more or less, pretending the LGBT community does not exist, and discriminating accordingly. The 'I don't care about gays as long as they're not gay in public' sort of thing, if you will.

Pride parades are simply a way of showing society at large that, yes, the LGBT community exists and does not loathe itself, no matter what.

Once the issue has been settled, so to speak, you'll see the parades start to die down.

So no, I don't think 'liberals' glorify homosexuality, because that's just plum stupid.
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Postby The Emperor Fenix » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:22 am

Bottle wrote:I have a theory.

Our culture teaches straight males that their sexuality is the most important thing evar. Think of that rule of advertising, "sex sells," and how it's almost always actually about showing female bodies to male viewers because the sex that matters is the kind that dudes have with vaginas. Masculinity is defined primarily in terms of who, how, and when you fuck, and in terms of asserting your dominance so you can secure even more and better opportunities to fuck. Female sexuality is basically portrayed as being all about the various ways women can make themselves pleasing to straight men. Heck, most people define "sex" as beginning and ending with a boner, to the point where people still insist that even the most promiscuous lesbian is still a virgin if she hasn't had a penis in her vagina.

Among other things, this results in some straight guys coming away with the (mistaken) impression that the entire world is interested in what they do with their junk. They are convinced that everyone, including all gay people, is profoundly concerned with who and how they are fucking. Thus, all gay men MUST want to hop on the boners of all straight dudes. Because straight male penis is the most important thing evar.


I'd go further.

Male sexuality is largely portrayed as a matter of conquest and capitulation. That women have no sexual agency or focused desire and must be compelled to recognise their desire for the man where otherwise it would be generalised (women don't know their own minds) or non-existent (women as madonnas). From that perspective homosexual sexuality is necessarily threatening, they'll come after you to compel you as you will become the female role.

God knows no-one actually thinks in terms as stark as that but it still motivates their opinions and views to have that swilling around at the back of their heads.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:23 am

Bianchi wrote:If you think there is something wrong with gay people then most likely there is something wrong with you.

Well, duh. There's something wrong with everyone. Human beings aren't made perfect.
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Postby West Florida » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:24 am

I'm gay. I was born this way. I didn't have a conscious choice in it. It's what feels natural or right to me. I've always been attracted to guys, both emotionally and sexually.

I'm happy being a guy and definitely have way more masculine traits than feminine traits.

I've never understood why Gay guys, lesbian ladies or bisexual people are lumped into the same category as transgendered individuals.

Sexual identity is separate from gender identity. This has always confused me. But alas, a topic for another thread I guess.
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Postby Nihilistic Cosmopolitan-Fascist States » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:26 am

Nothing wrong with it, but it's wrong to promote it as a superior lifestyle like many trans/bi-sexual elitsts do.

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Postby Algonquin Ascendancy » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:26 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Well, sometimes it's rather fun being homosexual so >_>

Let them have their fun, not my cup of tea.

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Postby Aazeronia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:26 am

New Heathera wrote:I'm not really sure what the "Karl Marx" option means, but I really don't care. Choice or born with it, it shouldn't matter. And frankly, I don't think we should base our opinions off of the choice factor. Basically put, there is no problem with homosexuality, and one should not care how it comes about.


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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:26 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:You can't honestly say modern liberals don't glorify homosexuality, they parade it about like it's some sort of divine trait or something. All this "gay pride" and "2Q2BSRT8" is ridiculous and degenerate, we get it you're gay.

Ah, I get it now. You don't actually know what an LGBT pride parade is supposed to do, do you?

To put it bluntly, it's advertising. Society has this nasty habit of compartmentalizing and hiding under the rug what it does not consider natural, or otherwise openly opposing it. With sexuality, this takes the form of, more or less, pretending the LGBT community does not exist, and discriminating accordingly. The 'I don't care about gays as long as they're not gay in public' sort of thing, if you will.

Pride parades are simply a way of showing society at large that, yes, the LGBT community exists and does not loathe itself, no matter what.

Once the issue has been settled, so to speak, you'll see the parades start to die down.

So no, I don't think 'liberals' glorify homosexuality, because that's just plum stupid.


I'm not offended by homosexuals being themselves in public. What does offend me is them being all like "OMG I'M TOO COOL TO BE STRAIGHT!!!", like nobody fucking cares, go sit down somewhere and be a normal person.
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Postby The Marxist State » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:27 am

The balkens wrote:But without gays, who will be fabulous?

Well shit.....
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The Sistine Chapel mural was painted by a gay guy, that's embarrassing enough for them.
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Postby Necrocity » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:28 am

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Postby Veceria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:29 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Ah, I get it now. You don't actually know what an LGBT pride parade is supposed to do, do you?

To put it bluntly, it's advertising. Society has this nasty habit of compartmentalizing and hiding under the rug what it does not consider natural, or otherwise openly opposing it. With sexuality, this takes the form of, more or less, pretending the LGBT community does not exist, and discriminating accordingly. The 'I don't care about gays as long as they're not gay in public' sort of thing, if you will.

Pride parades are simply a way of showing society at large that, yes, the LGBT community exists and does not loathe itself, no matter what.

Once the issue has been settled, so to speak, you'll see the parades start to die down.

So no, I don't think 'liberals' glorify homosexuality, because that's just plum stupid.


I'm not offended by homosexuals being themselves in public. What does offend me is them being all like "OMG I'M TOO COOL TO BE STRAIGHT!!!", like nobody fucking cares, go sit down somewhere and be a normal person.

*looks at all those heterosexual celebrities and wannabe celebrities on TV*
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Postby Algonquin Ascendancy » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:30 am

West Macedonia wrote:It's a choice.. btw i hate gays

So when did you stop wanting hot, steamy gay loving?
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Postby Bottle » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:30 am

The Emperor Fenix wrote:
Bottle wrote:I have a theory.

Our culture teaches straight males that their sexuality is the most important thing evar. Think of that rule of advertising, "sex sells," and how it's almost always actually about showing female bodies to male viewers because the sex that matters is the kind that dudes have with vaginas. Masculinity is defined primarily in terms of who, how, and when you fuck, and in terms of asserting your dominance so you can secure even more and better opportunities to fuck. Female sexuality is basically portrayed as being all about the various ways women can make themselves pleasing to straight men. Heck, most people define "sex" as beginning and ending with a boner, to the point where people still insist that even the most promiscuous lesbian is still a virgin if she hasn't had a penis in her vagina.

Among other things, this results in some straight guys coming away with the (mistaken) impression that the entire world is interested in what they do with their junk. They are convinced that everyone, including all gay people, is profoundly concerned with who and how they are fucking. Thus, all gay men MUST want to hop on the boners of all straight dudes. Because straight male penis is the most important thing evar.


I'd go further.

Male sexuality is largely portrayed as a matter of conquest and capitulation. That women have no sexual agency or focused desire and must be compelled to recognise their desire for the man where otherwise it would be generalised (women don't know their own minds) or non-existent (women as madonnas). From that perspective homosexual sexuality is necessarily threatening, they'll come after you to compel you as you will become the female role.

God knows no-one actually thinks in terms as stark as that but it still motivates their opinions and views to have that swilling around at the back of their heads.

Also a very good point. Masculinity is pretty much entirely about NOT being a woman at this point, to the point where men have to have their very own separate soaps with black packaging and manly names so as to avoid getting girl cooties from buying the same soap that a vagina-person might use. Small wonder that so many guys are feeling threatened by anything that might in any way be similar to what women do.
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Postby Russadonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:31 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Ah, I get it now. You don't actually know what an LGBT pride parade is supposed to do, do you?

To put it bluntly, it's advertising. Society has this nasty habit of compartmentalizing and hiding under the rug what it does not consider natural, or otherwise openly opposing it. With sexuality, this takes the form of, more or less, pretending the LGBT community does not exist, and discriminating accordingly. The 'I don't care about gays as long as they're not gay in public' sort of thing, if you will.

Pride parades are simply a way of showing society at large that, yes, the LGBT community exists and does not loathe itself, no matter what.

Once the issue has been settled, so to speak, you'll see the parades start to die down.

So no, I don't think 'liberals' glorify homosexuality, because that's just plum stupid.


I'm not offended by homosexuals being themselves in public. What does offend me is them being all like "OMG I'M TOO COOL TO BE STRAIGHT!!!", like nobody fucking cares, go sit down somewhere and be a normal person.


Screw your idea of normal. Normal doesn't exist.

Why does it offend you so much? Why do you let someone being themselves offend you. I think you have some serious self-searching to do.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:34 am

Russadonia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
I'm not offended by homosexuals being themselves in public. What does offend me is them being all like "OMG I'M TOO COOL TO BE STRAIGHT!!!", like nobody fucking cares, go sit down somewhere and be a normal person.


Screw your idea of normal. Normal doesn't exist.

Why does it offend you so much? Why do you let someone being themselves offend you. I think you have some serious self-searching to do.


.........................

I don't like people gay or straight parading their sexuality about like its important, nobody fucking cares. Your orientation doesn't make you a better person or anything, all they're doing promoting shallowness by creating an "identity" around sex.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:40 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Russadonia wrote:
Screw your idea of normal. Normal doesn't exist.

Why does it offend you so much? Why do you let someone being themselves offend you. I think you have some serious self-searching to do.


.........................

I don't like people gay or straight parading their sexuality about like its important, nobody fucking cares. Your orientation doesn't make you a better person or anything, all they're doing promoting shallowness by creating an "identity" around sex.

Their sexuality and the fact that some are bigoted because of it binds the LGBT community together as a group. They have common characteristics and interests, so they become a community. I shouldn't have to explain the idea of communities to you.
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Postby Russadonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:40 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Russadonia wrote:
Screw your idea of normal. Normal doesn't exist.

Why does it offend you so much? Why do you let someone being themselves offend you. I think you have some serious self-searching to do.


.........................

I don't like people gay or straight parading their sexuality about like its important, nobody fucking cares. Your orientation doesn't make you a better person or anything, all they're doing promoting shallowness by creating an "identity" around sex.



This statement proves how little you know about the subject of which you speak. You think we build an identity around sex? That is a very lazy analysis about something you obviously don't understand.

The "parading" of the sexuality is in response to years of discrimination, hate, and shaming by people like you. Gays push it forward as a way of telling society that they won't hide who they are for your comfort, or that they aren't something to be ashamed of.

No gay person thinks that their orientation makes them a better person. It seems you are very insecure and you should take time away to figure yourself out.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:47 am

Russadonia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
.........................

I don't like people gay or straight parading their sexuality about like its important, nobody fucking cares. Your orientation doesn't make you a better person or anything, all they're doing promoting shallowness by creating an "identity" around sex.


This statement proves how little you know about the subject of which you speak. You think we build an identity around sex? That is a very lazy analysis about something you obviously don't understand.

The "parading" of the sexuality is in response to years of discrimination, hate, and shaming by people like you. Gays push it forward as a way of telling society that they won't hide who they are for your comfort, or that they aren't something to be ashamed of.

No gay person thinks that their orientation makes them a better person. It seems you are very insecure and you should take time away to figure yourself out.

Ok, before this misunderstanding continues...I am pro-LBGT for the fucking record, ok dear?

Anyway, basing a community off of something as empty as sexual orientation can be nothing but shallow. Being proud of orientation is also ridiculous.
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Postby San Benedict e San Francesco » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:49 am

Russadonia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
.........................

I don't like people gay or straight parading their sexuality about like its important, nobody fucking cares. Your orientation doesn't make you a better person or anything, all they're doing promoting shallowness by creating an "identity" around sex.



This statement proves how little you know about the subject of which you speak. You think we build an identity around sex? That is a very lazy analysis about something you obviously don't understand.

The "parading" of the sexuality is in response to years of discrimination, hate, and shaming by people like you. Gays push it forward as a way of telling society that they won't hide who they are for your comfort, or that they aren't something to be ashamed of.

No gay person thinks that their orientation makes them a better person. It seems you are very insecure and you should take time away to figure yourself out.



That's some hefty projection there guy.

Let's go ahead and assume I wasn't straight. I still wouldn't parade my sexuality. It's none of anyone's business except mine, my partners, and George Carlin's invisible man in the sky. Sure, you'll probably see me out to dinner with Mr. Right-for-Me, maybe holding hands at the table, or catch a glance of a goodnight kiss when one or the other of us drops the other off, but that'll be about it.

I don't agree with his sentiment, but slapping a 'you must have issues' label on this makes you look pretty damn weak.

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Postby Russadonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:52 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Russadonia wrote:
This statement proves how little you know about the subject of which you speak. You think we build an identity around sex? That is a very lazy analysis about something you obviously don't understand.

The "parading" of the sexuality is in response to years of discrimination, hate, and shaming by people like you. Gays push it forward as a way of telling society that they won't hide who they are for your comfort, or that they aren't something to be ashamed of.

No gay person thinks that their orientation makes them a better person. It seems you are very insecure and you should take time away to figure yourself out.

Ok, before this misunderstanding continues...I am pro-LBGT for the fucking record, ok dear?

Anyway, basing a community off of something as empty as sexual orientation can be nothing but shallow. Being proud of orientation is also ridiculous.


I am not your dear and do not refer to me with condescending baby names.

It doesn't matter if you are pro-lgbt. You hold the belief that gay people should just stop being proud of who they are and be "normal," for whatever that means. This is not pro-lgbt. This is a desire for conformity for your comfort.

There is nothing ridiculous about being proud of oneself.

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Postby Russadonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:55 am

San Benedict e San Francesco wrote:
Russadonia wrote:

This statement proves how little you know about the subject of which you speak. You think we build an identity around sex? That is a very lazy analysis about something you obviously don't understand.

The "parading" of the sexuality is in response to years of discrimination, hate, and shaming by people like you. Gays push it forward as a way of telling society that they won't hide who they are for your comfort, or that they aren't something to be ashamed of.

No gay person thinks that their orientation makes them a better person. It seems you are very insecure and you should take time away to figure yourself out.



That's some hefty projection there guy.

Let's go ahead and assume I wasn't straight. I still wouldn't parade my sexuality. It's none of anyone's business except mine, my partners, and George Carlin's invisible man in the sky. Sure, you'll probably see me out to dinner with Mr. Right-for-Me, maybe holding hands at the table, or catch a glance of a goodnight kiss when one or the other of us drops the other off, but that'll be about it.

I don't agree with his sentiment, but slapping a 'you must have issues' label on this makes you look pretty damn weak.

Edit: Correctly replaced full quotes with singlequotes.


I'm sorry you feel that way, I'm not projecting anything.

I have my issues, of course. I'm going to admit to myself that I have my share of problems. I don't, however, wish for everyone to march to the same tune, step in step, so that I can feel comfortable.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Arglorand » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:08 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:degenerate

Meaningless word which is nothing more than your substitute for "icky" is meaningless.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
(and i blatantly stole this from Old Tyrannia)

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