Your View of Homosexuality?

[Agymnum]

So we should also take children from single parents.

Single parents are unfortunate, but always present; the children miss out on some of the things they could learn from having both a mother and a father, admittedly.

So single parents get to keep their kids, but homosexuals can't?

Your logic is rapidly approaching negative infinity.

[Liriena]

An omnipotent god and freewill cannot coexist. If you set up dominoes and knock one down you didn't give them a choice. God knew exactly what each molecule of the universe would do until the end of time, if he didn't he's clearly not omniscient. By assembling them just so he set up the dominoes to fall a specific way.

How hard is this to grasp?

God created us with free will and will not intrude on free will even if it is being used to commit an act of horrible evil.

Then that God is a hypocrite and/or a total and hopeless idiot.
He creates us with free will, knowing full well the consequences of it, and still does nothing to prevent absurd tragedies, he lets millions of us die simply for being born in the wrong family, race, gender, city or country, and then he has the balls to punish us for our mistakes that he himself enabled, and made no effort to prevent in any way (other than vague "miracles" and ridiculous prophets)...but he is loving, omniscient and omnipotent?

[Valcouria]

No, but they send them to their room to think about what they did. That is what Hell is really about; to contemplate why you disobeyed the Father.

Forever?

Pretty stupid punishment if you ask me. After a while you'd just resent God for being a dick and sending you there.

You would think so, but being sent there is meant to be bad; you are denied the love (tic) that you would have gotten if you had obeyed Him. Plus, in Hell (thanks to Satan), there's...other things that occupy your mind than reviling God...if nothing else, eventually you begin to want Him to help you.

[CIS Shadowfeed]

'Hate' is the wrong word. God gives us the ability not only to love Him, but to disobey Him; he loves us enough to give us free will. When we disobey Him, it is not so much hate as it is a parent being disappointed in their children.

An omnipotent god and freewill cannot coexist. If you set up dominoes and knock one down you didn't give them a choice. God knew exactly what each molecule of the universe would do until the end of time, if he didn't he's clearly not omniscient. By assembling them just so he set up the dominoes to fall a specific way.

God is everywhere but has given us free will by allowing is to do as we wish. When god asked Abraham to kill his son Isaac and he was about to do so, god said to him because you have done this I will make your descendants as plentiful... He did not know for sure what he was going to do but when Abraham completed the task as god asked of him he promised Abraham to give him many descendants. God has the ability to see the future and all time, but does not for the sake of his beloved.

[Cosara]

This is bullshit.

Does god know the consequences of his actions?

He has made bad choices, like all of us do. This is just proof that we are all made in God's image.

[Des-Bal]

Single parents are unfortunate, but always present; the children miss out on some of the things they could learn from having both a mother and a father, admittedly.

If children require parents of separate genders then why are they any better off with one father than two?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How hard is this to grasp?

God created us with free will and will not intrude on free will even if it is being used to commit an act of horrible evil.

Then that God is a hypocrite and/or a total and hopeless idiot.
He creates us with free will, knowing full well the consequences of it, and still does nothing to prevent absurd tragedies, he lets millions of us die simply for being born in the wrong family, race, gender, city or country, and then he has the balls to punish us for our mistakes that he himself enabled, and made no effort to prevent in any way (other than vague "miracles" and ridiculous prophets)...but he is loving, omniscient and omnipotent?

I find his description of God hard to believe, especially as a Christian...

[Agymnum]

Forever?

Pretty stupid punishment if you ask me. After a while you'd just resent God for being a dick and sending you there.

You would think so, but being sent there is meant to be bad; you are denied the love (tic) that you would have gotten if you had obeyed Him. Plus, in Hell (thanks to Satan), there's...other things that occupy your mind than reviling God...if nothing else, eventually you begin to want Him to help you.

I could always chill (or burn, I guess) with my buddies Sagan and Einstein while I'm there.

And Hitchens, and Dawkins (when the good man inevitably croaks *knocks on wood*).

[Liriena]

If God being disappointed gets us genocide I'd hate to see what actually pissing him off does.

The fate of Sodom & Gomorrah, for one.

Oh, that's only a small snippet in the Biblical God's long history of sadistic slaughter of innocents.

[Des-Bal]

He has made bad choices, like all of us do. This is just proof that we are all made in God's image.

Not what I asked. Does god know the consequences of his actions?

[Valcouria]

The bureaucracy is necessary, just as it is in any government.

But God's bureaucracy is pretty shitty if you ask most agnostics/atheists.

For a dude who's supposed to love a lot of people, his bureaucrats sure love to preach hate hate hate.

As with any bureaucracy, there is bound to be incompetence. But, for the most part, it is built upon a good premise, and usually sticks to that premise in the face of adversity. One that folds to external pressure is weak.

[The U S S R]

When Satan needs help, he comes to me for advice.

[Agymnum]

Does god know the consequences of his actions?

He has made bad choices, like all of us do. This is just proof that we are all made in God's image.

So you admit he's not omniscient, because if he was he'd be able to anticipate all his bad choices and not make them.

If he is omnipotent and he still makes bad choices, he must be malevolent, since he willingly causes human suffering.

[Liriena]

Then that God is a hypocrite and/or a total and hopeless idiot.
He creates us with free will, knowing full well the consequences of it, and still does nothing to prevent absurd tragedies, he lets millions of us die simply for being born in the wrong family, race, gender, city or country, and then he has the balls to punish us for our mistakes that he himself enabled, and made no effort to prevent in any way (other than vague "miracles" and ridiculous prophets)...but he is loving, omniscient and omnipotent?

I find his description of God hard to believe, especially as a Christian...

Yet that's what the Biblical God basically is: a narcissistic and abusive hypocrite.

[Cosara]

He has made bad choices, like all of us do. This is just proof that we are all made in God's image.

Not what I asked. Does god know the consequences of his actions?

Yes, but if he punished himself, the universe would explode.

[Agymnum]

Not what I asked. Does god know the consequences of his actions?

Yes, but if he punished himself, the universe would explode.

That's just his excuse for not wanting to be punished.

[Liriena]

Not what I asked. Does god know the consequences of his actions?

Yes, but if he punished himself, the universe would explode.

Source?

[The U S S R]

If God is perfect, how does he make mistakes?

[Des-Bal]

Yes, but if he punished himself, the universe would explode.

So God knows what will happen if he does something.
So God knew that by putting the tree of knowledge exactly where he did Adam and Eve would inevitably eat of it. That's not free will. If I rig a shotgun up to someone's door and it kills them when they open it they didn't kill themselves.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I find his description of God hard to believe, especially as a Christian...

Yet that's what the Biblical God basically is: a narcissistic and abusive hypocrite.

It depends...

I mean, I understand your concern, but as a Christian believe me I don't tend to use the Bible to define either God or what a Christian is. I have come to realize after years of studying it that the bible is nothing but a primer, not the ultimate word of God, and it will never be such because it is flawed by human nature.

So what is the truth? I don't know, but I refuse to believe in a book that has been desecrated beyond recognition and it's probably mistranslated and misquoted for the benefit of an agenda.

[Valcouria]

The fate of Sodom & Gomorrah, for one.

Sodom and Gomorrah happened not just because they were homosexuals.

-beats you with a bible- go read Genesis again.

...That wasn't the point I was arguing. But, glad to see you acknowledge it was a factor.

[Valcouria]

The fate of Sodom & Gomorrah, for one.

Actually, SG was moreso because of prostitution and paganism...

...Homosexuality and rape were larger factors, I believe.

[Agymnum]

Sodom and Gomorrah happened not just because they were homosexuals.

-beats you with a bible- go read Genesis again.

...That wasn't the point I was arguing. But, glad to see you acknowledge it was a factor.

Read the Torah. Homosexuality is never brought up in Sodom nor Gomorrah. It's lawlessness and disregard for the poor.

Ironically enough, Conservatives would accuse God of being a Socialist for advocating helping the poor.

[Liriena]

Yet that's what the Biblical God basically is: a narcissistic and abusive hypocrite.

It depends...

I mean, I understand your concern, but as a Christian believe me I don't tend to use the Bible to define either God or what a Christian is. I have come to realize after years of studying it that the bible is nothing but a primer, not the ultimate word of God, and it will never be such because it is flawed by human nature.

So what is the truth? I don't know, but I refuse to believe in a book that has been desecrated beyond recognition and it's probably mistranslated and misquoted for the benefit of an agenda.

Indeed, the Bible has been repeatedly misinterpretated for centuries, but the genocidal, infanticidal, misogynistic, anti-intellectual and narcissistic core of it still remains.

[CIS Shadowfeed]

God doesn't make mistakes. He is the leader, the Holy Spirit protects those who are in his son's flock, and Jesus is the only one who loves unconditionally. He is not all those terrible things you called him. The son will speak on your behalf to the father, because he is the final judge. God punishes you more extremely in your afterlife for defiling his creations.