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Your View of Homosexuality

Your Born that way
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It's a choice
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It's a sin
97
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Who really cares?
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Karl Marx
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Cosara
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Postby Cosara » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:41 pm

CIS Shadowfeed wrote:
Valcouria wrote: :clap: :bow:


http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVSerm ... TheSin.htm
It is difficult to separate sin from the sinner, instead of being hung up on hating, try loving the person.

Working on Sundays is a sin. That doesn't mean I hate the guy that works on Sunday.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:41 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Why must everything "free" must also be "secular"? :eyebrow:


Religion is inherently oppressive when applied to the masses. Religion may exist in a secular and free society, but it is marginalized to houses of worship and not involved in public policymaking so as not to infringe upon the freedoms of and from religion.


I agree with you on this.

I mean, like I have said a gazillion times, I am quite religious; however, I see NOTHING wrong with gay marriage, and in fact I find it hypocritical for us Christians to say we love people and accept them the way they are and yet we don't give you guys the right to marry your partner.
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Postby Condunum » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:42 pm

Cosara wrote:
CIS Shadowfeed wrote:
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVSerm ... TheSin.htm
It is difficult to separate sin from the sinner, instead of being hung up on hating, try loving the person.

Working on Sundays is a sin. That doesn't mean I hate the guy that works on Sunday.

Of all things in the bible, that is quite possibly the stupidest of all laws.

Like, seriously. It's fucking retarded.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:42 pm

Condunum wrote:
Cosara wrote:Working on Sundays is a sin. That doesn't mean I hate the guy that works on Sunday.

Of all things in the bible, that is quite possibly the stupidest of all laws.

Like, seriously. It's fucking retarded.


Jesus said something against that fucking retarded idea :p

He basically said "The day of rest is for man to use it as he sees fit. The day of rest was tailored for men, not men for the day of rest."

NOTE: Remember that "men" was used as a gender-neutral back then, so I am merely kinda paraphrasing.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:43 pm

Agymnum wrote:
If homosexuals cannot reproduce, how can they keep occurring in nature?

Heterosexual organisms produce homosexual children. Homosexuality is a trait, not a defect.


Like down syndrome.

That was a terrible argument.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:43 pm

Cosara wrote:
CIS Shadowfeed wrote:
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVSerm ... TheSin.htm
It is difficult to separate sin from the sinner, instead of being hung up on hating, try loving the person.

Working on Sundays is a sin. That doesn't mean I hate the guy that works on Sunday.

Sunday isn't the Sabbath.

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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:43 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Valcouria wrote:The only point that comes from the fact that some animals do it is that it is a defect that is present not only in the human mind. And of course it's unnatural; as I said, without science, they could not reproduce naturally with each other ( I should point out that I do not support the methods of artificial [or, as I like to call it, unnatural] insemination).


If homosexuals cannot reproduce, how can they keep occurring in nature?

Heterosexual organisms produce homosexual children. Homosexuality is a trait, not a defect.

I still disagree; it IS a defect that is possibly recessive (like hemophilia)...which would explain why only certain individuals come up with it.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:43 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
If homosexuals cannot reproduce, how can they keep occurring in nature?

Heterosexual organisms produce homosexual children. Homosexuality is a trait, not a defect.


Like down syndrome.

That was a terrible argument.


Down Syndrome reduces the chances of an organism's survival to adulthood.

Homosexuality - except in oppressive societies - does not.

I acknowledge my previous argument reeked of illogic.
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Postby Cosara » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:43 pm

Condunum wrote:
Cosara wrote:Working on Sundays is a sin. That doesn't mean I hate the guy that works on Sunday.

Of all things in the bible, that is quite possibly the stupidest of all laws.

Like, seriously. It's fucking retarded.

So is the law against mixed fabrics, but I'm trying to bring myself into compliance with it.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:44 pm

Cosara wrote:
Condunum wrote:Of all things in the bible, that is quite possibly the stupidest of all laws.

Like, seriously. It's fucking retarded.

So is the law against mixed fabrics, but I'm trying to bring myself into compliance with it.


Following stupid laws makes you as stupid as the policymakers who implemented such stupid laws.
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Vitaphone Racing
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:44 pm

Cosara wrote:
CIS Shadowfeed wrote:
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVSerm ... TheSin.htm
It is difficult to separate sin from the sinner, instead of being hung up on hating, try loving the person.

Working on Sundays is a sin. That doesn't mean I hate the guy that works on Sunday.

It doesn't matter. If you're campaigning for nobody to be allowed to work on Sundays you're still showing your indifference and ignorance to all those who work on Sundays. It's the same thing with homosexuals and homosexual marriage.
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Postby Cosara » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:45 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Cosara wrote:Working on Sundays is a sin. That doesn't mean I hate the guy that works on Sunday.

Sunday isn't the Sabbath.

Then what is it, cause I'm pretty sure that it's Sunday.
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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:45 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Cosara wrote:So is the law against mixed fabrics, but I'm trying to bring myself into compliance with it.


Following stupid laws makes you as stupid as the policymakers who implemented such stupid laws.

We devout Christians are forced to follow abortion laws...from your logic, they were stupid because we believe they were, and were implemented by stupid policymakers.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:45 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
If homosexuals cannot reproduce, how can they keep occurring in nature?

Heterosexual organisms produce homosexual children. Homosexuality is a trait, not a defect.

I still disagree; it IS a defect that is possibly recessive (like hemophilia)...which would explain why only certain individuals come up with it.

A belief that is not scientifically backed up.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:45 pm

Cosara wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:Sunday isn't the Sabbath.

Then what is it, cause I'm pretty sure that it's Sunday.


Actually, it's Saturday...
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:45 pm

Cosara wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:Sunday isn't the Sabbath.

Then what is it, cause I'm pretty sure that it's Sunday.

The Sabbath is Saturday; the LAST day of the week.
Aka day number seven.

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Postby The U S S R » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:45 pm

Cosara wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:Sunday isn't the Sabbath.

Then what is it, cause I'm pretty sure that it's Sunday.

Sunday is the first day of the week.
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Postby Cosara » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:46 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Cosara wrote:So is the law against mixed fabrics, but I'm trying to bring myself into compliance with it.


Following stupid laws makes you as stupid as the policymakers who implemented such stupid laws.

The Federal ban on Marijuana is a stupid law. Does that mean that I'm as stupid as Congress for following it?
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:46 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
Following stupid laws makes you as stupid as the policymakers who implemented such stupid laws.

We devout Christians are forced to follow abortion laws...from your logic, they were stupid because we believe they were, and were implemented by stupid policymakers.


Some things are just objectively stupid. Not wearing mixed fabrics because some dude in the sky told you not to, that's stupid no matter how you look at it.

Abortion is subjectively stupid depending if you believe a fetus to be a human being with rights nor not.
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Postby Valcouria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:46 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Valcouria wrote:I still disagree; it IS a defect that is possibly recessive (like hemophilia)...which would explain why only certain individuals come up with it.

A belief that is not scientifically backed up.

...I would think that you wouldn't need to point out the fact that 'belief' does not necessarily need to be scientifically backed up. We Christians believe in things too...which, suffice to say, is sorely lacking in the modern world.
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Postby Cosara » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:47 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Cosara wrote:Then what is it, cause I'm pretty sure that it's Sunday.

The Sabbath is Saturday; the LAST day of the week.
Aka day number seven.

It's six.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:47 pm

Cosara wrote:
Condunum wrote:Of all things in the bible, that is quite possibly the stupidest of all laws.

Like, seriously. It's fucking retarded.

So is the law against mixed fabrics, but I'm trying to bring myself into compliance with it.

:palm:
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Postby Valcouria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:47 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Valcouria wrote:We devout Christians are forced to follow abortion laws...from your logic, they were stupid because we believe they were, and were implemented by stupid policymakers.


Some things are just objectively stupid. Not wearing mixed fabrics because some dude in the sky told you not to, that's stupid no matter how you look at it.

Abortion is subjectively stupid depending if you believe a fetus to be a human being with rights nor not.

Some people believe in the existence of the 'dude in the sky', and prefer to follow His laws as He told us to.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:47 pm

Valcouria wrote:...I would think that you wouldn't need to point out the fact that 'belief' does not necessarily need to be scientifically backed up. We Christians believe in things too...which, suffice to say, is sorely lacking in the modern world.


To be a good belief yes it does.
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Postby Condunum » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:47 pm

Cosara wrote:
Condunum wrote:Of all things in the bible, that is quite possibly the stupidest of all laws.

Like, seriously. It's fucking retarded.

So is the law against mixed fabrics, but I'm trying to bring myself into compliance with it.

Why? No god would logically have a problem with mixing fabrics.

If he does, fuck him, he's a petty bitch.
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