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Your View of Homosexuality

Your Born that way
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It's a choice
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11%
It's a sin
97
11%
Who really cares?
249
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Karl Marx
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7%
 
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Des-Bal
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:25 pm

The U S S R wrote:I am gay.



I did not choose to be gay. After all, why would I choose to live a life of secrecy, frequent hatred from religious institutions, and the threat of physical violence posed to me as a result of my sexuality? It all lies in genetic coding, people.



But I suppose that if you have Jesus, or any other false deity, you have no use for something as trivial as logic, common sense, and science, now do you?


I'd like to see evidence of that.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:26 pm

Cosara wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:You can't prove morality, its a matter of opinion.

Even if there wrong.

Then How could you say that it was wrong for Hitler to kill the Jews, because it was his opinion. Since when do you have the authority to judge the opinion of Hitler?

1. Nobody is immune to judging. Nobody's opinion is immune to judging.
2. Hitler's actions were illegal, hence they were legally and not just morally wrong in our society.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:26 pm

My view?
It's fun.
Unf unf unf

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Dooom35796821595
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:27 pm

The U S S R wrote:I am gay.



I did not choose to be gay. After all, why would I choose to live a life of secrecy, frequent hatred from religious institutions, and the threat of physical violence posed to me as a result of my sexuality? It all lies in genetic coding, people.



But I suppose that if you have Jesus, or any other false deity, you have no use for something as trivial as logic, common sense, and science, now do you?

I have full support for gay rights, but as a geneticist I must insist it hasn't been proven to be solely genetic.
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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:27 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Unlike trivial displays of affection, religious beliefs are driving forces behind a lot of politics in this day and age. Personally, I think this is a good thing, since it gives our leaders a moral compass on deciding issues.

My point was that just because a person believes something's yucky doesn't mean it's wrong. Seriously, that's like, third-grader logic.

I believe it's wrong for reasons other than that...which I've already articulated in other forums. But, I'll rattle them off again for ease-of-access.
-Religiously, I feel that marriage has been condoned by God to be for the purpose of properly blessing the love between one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others.
-Biologically, I feel that gays are genetic defects who, rather than fight to overcome them and live the life they are supposed to, instead choose to relapse into the unnatural behavior; on a side note, they cannot naturally reproduce with other members of the same sex.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:27 pm

Cosara wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:You can't prove morality, its a matter of opinion.

Even if there wrong.

Then How could you say that it was wrong for Hitler to kill the Jews, because it was his opinion. Since when do you have the authority to judge the opinion of Hitler?



Godwin's Law Reigns Supreme!


Because contrary to same-sex relationships, that harm no-one; Hitler's decision was murder an entire race of people, which is fucking insane and against all societal rules of "don't kill".

Fuck, all religions in the world, all modern societies have operated on the principle of "you shall not kill another human being", and Hitler decided to kill them all. So yes, there is a fucking imperative on that case: not to kill.

Homosexual marriage has no defined universal across all cultures, some accept it some don't. Thus this is more relative than killing an entire race of people.
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The U S S R
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Postby The U S S R » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:28 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
The U S S R wrote:I am gay.



I did not choose to be gay. After all, why would I choose to live a life of secrecy, frequent hatred from religious institutions, and the threat of physical violence posed to me as a result of my sexuality? It all lies in genetic coding, people.



But I suppose that if you have Jesus, or any other false deity, you have no use for something as trivial as logic, common sense, and science, now do you?


I'd like to see evidence of that.


Actually, for this year's Academic Decathlon state speech, I did an in depth study of genetics and how it affects each individual; however, I am too lazy to post it tonight (have not slept in a while), so I will post my speech tomorrow. Sound good?
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Cosara
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Postby Cosara » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:28 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:My view?
It's fun.
Unf unf unf

Said every person ever that did not want to say that they were gay but wanted to make it painfully obvious.
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Rocopurr
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Postby Rocopurr » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:28 pm

Selzburg wrote:LGBT is bad, but that does not mean that LGBT people are bad. I have some friends who are gay (an inevitability at a performing arts school).

I'm intrigued to hear why LGBT is bad.
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CIS Shadowfeed
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Postby CIS Shadowfeed » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:29 pm

The U S S R wrote:I am gay.



I did not choose to be gay. After all, why would I choose to live a life of secrecy, frequent hatred from religious institutions, and the threat of physical violence posed to me as a result of my sexuality? It all lies in genetic coding, people.



But I suppose that if you have Jesus, or any other false deity, you have no use for something as trivial as logic, common sense, and science, now do you?


Religious institutions do not hate you. Jesus' greatest commandment was to love his children.
Some people who are unable to follow Jesus and his ideals still use the church though, they are wrong.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:29 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:My point was that just because a person believes something's yucky doesn't mean it's wrong. Seriously, that's like, third-grader logic.

I believe it's wrong for reasons other than that...which I've already articulated in other forums. But, I'll rattle them off again for ease-of-access.
-Religiously, I feel that marriage has been condoned by God to be for the purpose of properly blessing the love between one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others.
-Biologically, I feel that gays are genetic defects who, rather than fight to overcome them and live the life they are supposed to, instead choose to relapse into the unnatural behavior; on a side note, they cannot naturally reproduce with other members of the same sex.

Your reasoning is subjective/nonsecular and objectively wrong/subjective/irrelevant.
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Occupied Deutschland
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:29 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:My point was that just because a person believes something's yucky doesn't mean it's wrong. Seriously, that's like, third-grader logic.

I believe it's wrong for reasons other than that...which I've already articulated in other forums. But, I'll rattle them off again for ease-of-access.
-Religiously, I feel that marriage has been condoned by God to be for the purpose of properly blessing the love between one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others. (1)
-Biologically, I feel that gays are genetic defects who, rather than fight to overcome them and live the life they are supposed to, instead choose to relapse into the unnatural behavior; on a side note, they cannot naturally reproduce with other members of the same sex. (2)

1) Which is all well and good and has nothing to do with government recognition of the rights and privileges granted by the term 'marriage' occuring between two people.

2) Do you hold the same opinion of mentally retarded and those with other genetic birth defects? Those wascally type-1 diabetics clearly aren't fighting enough to overcome their defect and are just wallowing in their pit of insulin injection.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:30 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:2. Hitler's actions were illegal, hence they were legally and not just morally wrong in our society.


Well, they were not technically illegal since he changed the constitution and the will of the people to do what he wanted done.

And as a side note, I did some research on this holocaust thing. Hitler gave the order, but Himmler had the fucking stupid idea to come up with it. I may be wrong or I may have read a book that is wrong though. :unsure:
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Cosara
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Postby Cosara » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:30 pm

CIS Shadowfeed wrote:
The U S S R wrote:I am gay.



I did not choose to be gay. After all, why would I choose to live a life of secrecy, frequent hatred from religious institutions, and the threat of physical violence posed to me as a result of my sexuality? It all lies in genetic coding, people.



But I suppose that if you have Jesus, or any other false deity, you have no use for something as trivial as logic, common sense, and science, now do you?


Religious institutions do not hate you. Jesus' greatest commandment was to love his children.
Some people who are unable to follow Jesus and his ideals still use the church though, they are wrong.

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

I hate Homosexuality, not the Homosexuals.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:30 pm

Cosara wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:My view?
It's fun.
Unf unf unf

Said every person ever that did not want to say that they were gay but wanted to make it painfully obvious.


The only good direction is up the butt.

Unf unf unf. :3
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Des-Bal
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:30 pm

The U S S R wrote:Actually, for this year's Academic Decathlon state speech, I did an in depth study of genetics and how it affects each individual; however, I am too lazy to post it tonight (have not slept in a while), so I will post my speech tomorrow. Sound good?


I'm not really interested in your speech I'd like to see your data, if you've conclusively discovered the "gay gene" I'm sure you've been published in at least one journal I have access to so you can just tell me the name of the study.
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Postby Rocopurr » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:30 pm

Cosara wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:My view?
It's fun.
Unf unf unf

Said every person ever that did not want to say that they were gay but wanted to make it painfully obvious.

Still a better post than most of yours.
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Postby The U S S R » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:30 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The U S S R wrote:I am gay.



I did not choose to be gay. After all, why would I choose to live a life of secrecy, frequent hatred from religious institutions, and the threat of physical violence posed to me as a result of my sexuality? It all lies in genetic coding, people.



But I suppose that if you have Jesus, or any other false deity, you have no use for something as trivial as logic, common sense, and science, now do you?

I have full support for gay rights, but as a geneticist I must insist it hasn't been proven to be solely genetic.

Of course it has not been proven by solely genetics. There are inumerable factors that affect homosexuality. As I previously stated, I will post my speech (that won 6th place out of 300 other people) when I have access.
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5. Low
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Postby Condunum » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:31 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Cosara wrote:That is a completely understandable stance to have.

How do you oppose your daughter marrying a black guy on the basis that he's black but still have no problems with black guys? I don't find that understandable at all.

Doublethink is a powerful thing.
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Postby Condunum » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:31 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Cosara wrote:Then How could you say that it was wrong for Hitler to kill the Jews, because it was his opinion. Since when do you have the authority to judge the opinion of Hitler?

1. Nobody is immune to judging. Nobody's opinion is immune to judging.
2. Hitler's actions were illegal, hence they were legally and not just morally wrong in our society.

Not to mention harmful to society, as mass murder tends to have a negative impact on... Well, almost everything.

Rocopurr wrote:
Cosara wrote:Said every person ever that did not want to say that they were gay but wanted to make it painfully obvious.

Still a better post than most of yours.

Is this were Kelso comes in and screams "BURRRRN!"?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:32 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Cosara wrote:Said every person ever that did not want to say that they were gay but wanted to make it painfully obvious.


The only good direction is up the butt.

Unf unf unf. :3


NOOOO!!! My virgin imagination!!! :o

Nah, I could care less :D
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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:33 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Valcouria wrote:I believe it's wrong for reasons other than that...which I've already articulated in other forums. But, I'll rattle them off again for ease-of-access.
-Religiously, I feel that marriage has been condoned by God to be for the purpose of properly blessing the love between one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others.
-Biologically, I feel that gays are genetic defects who, rather than fight to overcome them and live the life they are supposed to, instead choose to relapse into the unnatural behavior; on a side note, they cannot naturally reproduce with other members of the same sex.

Your reasoning is subjective/nonsecular and objectively wrong/subjective/irrelevant.

Subjective...possibly. Non-secular? Definitely.

The rest are your opinions, and you are entitled to them in the same way I am to mine.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:33 pm

Condunum wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:1. Nobody is immune to judging. Nobody's opinion is immune to judging.
2. Hitler's actions were illegal, hence they were legally and not just morally wrong in our society.

Not to mention harmful to society, as mass murder tends to have a negative impact on... Well, almost everything.

And that's not even counting the destroyed continent and 70 million killed in his war.
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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:33 pm

Cosara wrote:
CIS Shadowfeed wrote:
Religious institutions do not hate you. Jesus' greatest commandment was to love his children.
Some people who are unable to follow Jesus and his ideals still use the church though, they are wrong.

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

I hate Homosexuality, not the Homosexuals.

:clap: :bow:
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Postby Gaveo » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:33 pm

Rocopurr wrote:It's not a choice, I'm bisexual, LGBT rights ftw, yadda yadda.

Pretty much this.
Bruh.

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