Lesbian Teacher in Ohio Fired

[Antares XII]

Having read through the article in the original post, it is my opinion that the school made a dick move, the complaining parent is a paranoid bitch, the lesbian in question is a pretty okay person (based on what the article quoted her on saying), and this thread is likely to see people clamouring about the right things for the wrong reasons.

Ie, yes, religious entities have the right to believe what they want and function according to those beliefs, regardless of what you or I or anyone else thinks of those beliefs. I am quite certain there are people who disagree with this vehemently, however, and fault the school, not because it made a dick move, but because they don't like what it believes.

In closing - people who preach tolerance are often the most intolerant.

[Ethel mermania]

Because if we encourage Catholics and other religious bigots to impose their backward, discriminatory belief systems as much as possible, this will help drive all worthwhile people out of those religions and will thereby weaken their social, political, and economic power.

If a Muslim school had fired a woman after 19 years for being a lesbian, private or not guaranteed those same Catholics would be pitching a fit about it. Islamic Litmus Test.

no they wouldn't. They would be on the mosque's side,

for example in a touching show of religious unity

The only time the three religious leaders of Jerusalem agreed on anything, it was that a gay pride parade in Jerusalem was unacceptable as a religious insult. Doesn't it make your eyes tear up with joy?


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/31/international/worldspecial/31gay.html?_r=0

[Ethel mermania]

Private school, as long as it's not receiving public funds, has a right to do what they want...

no they don't. they cant refuse to hire blacks, women, or any other protected class.

And in Ohio Sexual orientation is a protected class. Now as a religious institution they may be exempt from the gay thing, but that is about it, and a non religious institution can not fire anyone for being gay in Ohio

[Llamalandia]

This makes me so ashamed to live near this school. Carla Hale, according to the school was not fired for being a lesbian, but because he relationship was publicized in her mother's obituary.

I don't even know where to start with this. Sure, she taught at a Catholic school, but it is also illegal in Columbus to discriminate based on sexuality.

http://dft.ba/-5CFR

No, sorry religious freedom my friend, given that all teachers in a catholic school are expected to in till catholic theological values and teachings. Anyway, all this likely means is that some other private or public school gets the benefit of a presumably rather high quality teacher . That's the thing about discrimination it hurts both sides, the school basically is shooting itself in the foot (assuming she was high quality teacher) plus plenty of negative publicity, oh well thats the catholic church for you

[Scholencia]

This makes me so ashamed to live near this school. Carla Hale, according to the school was not fired for being a lesbian, but because he relationship was publicized in her mother's obituary.

I don't even know where to start with this. Sure, she taught at a Catholic school, but it is also illegal in Columbus to discriminate based on sexuality.

http://dft.ba/-5CFR

How did she got the job there in first place?

[Camicon]

This makes me so ashamed to live near this school. Carla Hale, according to the school was not fired for being a lesbian, but because he relationship was publicized in her mother's obituary.

I don't even know where to start with this. Sure, she taught at a Catholic school, but it is also illegal in Columbus to discriminate based on sexuality.

http://dft.ba/-5CFR

How did she got the job there in first place?

The RCD Columbus had no problem with her teaching, so long as nobody complained about her sexual orientation, evidently.

[Scholencia]

Than we can conclude that this is not a topic about the Church harasing gay people
it is obvious that the Church is relativly tolerant.

[Ensiferum]

Than we can conclude that this is not a topic about the Church harasing gay people
it is obvious that the Church is relativly tolerant.

As long as you follow their strict belief system, sure.

[Camicon]

Than we can conclude that this is not a topic about the Church harasing gay people
it is obvious that the Church is relativly tolerant.

No, that is exactly what we can conclude. One parent. One parent over nineteen years of teaching, complained about the fact that she was a lesbian. What does the school do? Well, they can't do anything, because the parent went over their heads to the RCD Columbus, who promptly canned her without a second thought.

That's not very fucking tolerant of the RCD Columbus, now is it?

[Ethel mermania]

Than we can conclude that this is not a topic about the Church harasing gay people
it is obvious that the Church is relativly tolerant.

As long as you follow their strict belief system, sure.

You know,

that is a really interesting point, if we were to take the church's point of view, shouldn't they be trying to help the sinner? how is firing her going to help?

[Camicon]

As long as you follow their strict belief system, sure.

You know,

that is a really interesting point, if we were to take the church's point of view, shouldn't they be trying to help the sinner? how is firing her going to help?

If the RCD Columbus, hell, if the RCC actually followed what their holy book said, then they would allow openly gay priests.

[Ensiferum]

As long as you follow their strict belief system, sure.

You know,

that is a really interesting point, if we were to take the church's point of view, shouldn't they be trying to help the sinner? how is firing her going to help?

Yeah. You'd think they'd have support groups in place and as part of a health care plan or something at least. Not that I support Pray the Gay Away and the like but you'd think things like that would at least be offered. Maybe she was unjustly fired

[Torisakia]

You know we can't have none of that bootleg stuff in schools.

Anyprostitue, school systems in America suck. And most of the teachers within these shcool systems think I'm a stoner, or at least at my school they do.

See, this is why teachers shouldn't be discriminated against based on sexaulity...

[Camicon]

You know,

that is a really interesting point, if we were to take the church's point of view, shouldn't they be trying to help the sinner? how is firing her going to help?

Yeah. You'd think they'd have support groups in place and as part of a health care plan or something at least. Not that I support Pray the Gay Away and the like but you'd think things like that would at least be offered. Maybe she was unjustly fired

"Hey there, Carla. Look... I'm sorry, but we're going to have to let you go. We had a complaint, about the fact that you're black lesbian, and... well... have your desk cleared out by the end of the day."

Yeah, I'd say she was unjustly fired.

[Scholencia]

Than we can conclude that this is not a topic about the Church harasing gay people
it is obvious that the Church is relativly tolerant.

No, that is exactly what we can conclude. One parent. One parent over nineteen years of teaching, complained about the fact that she was a lesbian. What does the school do? Well, they can't do anything, because the parent went over their heads to the RCD Columbus, who promptly canned her without a second thought.

That's not very fucking tolerant of the RCD Columbus, now is it?

From what I see. The school would not let her to have a job in first place (this shows the schools agenda: "We have not against gay persons but we dont promote such lifestyle") She also probably knew that the school has consevative views and nobody has forced her to work there. As an employee she has certain obligation.

[Ethel mermania]

You know,

that is a really interesting point, if we were to take the church's point of view, shouldn't they be trying to help the sinner? how is firing her going to help?

If the RCD Columbus, hell, if the RCC actually followed what their holy book said, then they would allow openly gay priests.

i disagree. gays dont do well in either the old or new testament.

the point is though, christ hung out with sinners. cardinal o'conner said "hate the sin, love the sinner". and say what you will about the catholics and gays, the largest private funder of services for AIDS/HIV patients in the early 80's was catholic charities.

[Camicon]

No, that is exactly what we can conclude. One parent. One parent over nineteen years of teaching, complained about the fact that she was a lesbian. What does the school do? Well, they can't do anything, because the parent went over their heads to the RCD Columbus, who promptly canned her without a second thought.

That's not very fucking tolerant of the RCD Columbus, now is it?

From what I see. The school would not let her to have a job in first place (this shows the schools agenda: "We have not against gay persons but we dont promote such lifestyle") She also probably knew that the school has consevative views and nobody has forced her to work there. As an employee she has certain obligation.

Except she was given the job. By the school, or RCD Columbus. Either or, it doesn't matter.

What does matter is that she was fired because a single parent complained about her sexual orientation. Something that her employers knew at the time when they hired her nineteen years ago. What does matter is that no employer should have the right to fire someone because of their sexual orientation, just as they should not be allowed to fire someone because of their sex or the colour of their skin.

[Ethel mermania]

You know,

that is a really interesting point, if we were to take the church's point of view, shouldn't they be trying to help the sinner? how is firing her going to help?

Yeah. You'd think they'd have support groups in place and as part of a health care plan or something at least. Not that I support Pray the Gay Away and the like but you'd think things like that would at least be offered. Maybe she was unjustly fired

forget the unjustly fired, I am not talking law or morals; but from a modern strict catholic doctrinal standpoint, shouldn't they try and heal her, and support her?

we need arch for this

[Camicon]

If the RCD Columbus, hell, if the RCC actually followed what their holy book said, then they would allow openly gay priests.

i disagree. gays dont do well in either the old or new testament.

the point is though, christ hung out with sinners. cardinal o'conner said "hate the sin, love the sinner". and say what you will about the catholics and gays, the largest private funder of services for AIDS/HIV patients in the early 80's was catholic charities.

Christ told everyone to love everyone. He never said "Love everyone, except those gays. Those gays are fucked in the head. Don't love them."

Some of the people who took over his teachings after he died said that. Regular Joes, like you and me, not imbued with divine providence or some shit. Just guys speaking what's on their mind, and claiming God-given authority by writing it in a book.

[Scholencia]

Except she was given the job. By the school, or RCD Columbus. Either or, it doesn't matter.

What does matter is that she was fired because a single parent complained about her sexual orientation. Something that her employers knew at the time when they hired her nineteen years ago. What does matter is that no employer should have the right to fire someone because of their sexual orientation, just as they should not be allowed to fire someone because of their sex or the colour of their skin.

Again, that has nothing to do with the Church. It has to do with the school, parent and her self.

She knew what was expected from her as a employee, she could easily reject the job. The parent is paying money to that school and it expect something from exchange.

Lifestyle is not part of discrmination nor her is her private life topic on schopl hpurs.

[Camicon]

Except she was given the job. By the school, or RCD Columbus. Either or, it doesn't matter.

What does matter is that she was fired because a single parent complained about her sexual orientation. Something that her employers knew at the time when they hired her nineteen years ago. What does matter is that no employer should have the right to fire someone because of their sexual orientation, just as they should not be allowed to fire someone because of their sex or the colour of their skin.

Again, that has nothing to do with the Church. It has to do with the school, parent and her self.

She knew what was expected from her as a employee, she could easily reject the job. The parent is paying money to that school and it expect something from exchange.

Lifestyle is not part of discrmination nor her is her private life topic on schopl hpurs.

Do you know what the RCD Columbus is? That stands for "Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus". The school is funded by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus. The Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus is a branch of the Roman Catholic Church.

See the connection yet?

Carla Hale was hired by the RCC, worked for nineteen years, and fired because a single person made a stink about her sexual orientation.

No employer should have the right to fire someone because of their sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle choice". Being lazy is a lifestyle choice. Being active is a lifestyle choice. Gaming and cosplaying are lifestyle choices. Nobody chooses who they are attracted to, just as nobody chooses their sex, or the colour of their skin. And nobody should be expected to hide their sexual orientation, or their sex, or the colour of their skin, in the work place; just because some of the people that they help everyday are insufferable bigots does not they should be treated with any less dignity than they deserve.

[Unified Chiodos Fans]

If the RCD Columbus, hell, if the RCC actually followed what their holy book said, then they would allow openly gay priests.

i disagree. gays dont do well in either the old or new testament.

the point is though, christ hung out with sinners. cardinal o'conner said "hate the sin, love the sinner". and say what you will about the catholics and gays, the largest private funder of services for AIDS/HIV patients in the early 80's was catholic charities.

I do disagree on that. As someone who is currently becoming a pastor at my church(Non Denominational) and studies the Bible CONSTANTLY I can say that the New Testament is much more tolerant with topics such as homosexuality. Jesus does highlight that homosexuality as out of lust is not good. So like those slutty girls at parties that make out with their friend just to get attention are sinning. But if you truly love someone who is the same gender as you, there is absolutely nothing wrong with loving them. But I just hate it when certain parts of Christianity**cough, cough, Catholics, cough cough, Mormons, cough cough, West Borrow Baptist** completely misread the word of God and take it a TOTALLY different way than intended, such as this event.

[Greed and Death]

It was not being a lesbian according to the school
It was it becoming know, not to the school, but to the public at large that was an issue.

In that case, it's simple spinelessness. Not standing up to somebody who has worked for you for 19 years and whose "flaw" you've known all along?

Despicable.

I agree, it is part of why we need a law against LGBT discrimination.
Because that way the school would say yes, we are concerned too but we can fire her for being gay its the law.

[Camicon]

In that case, it's simple spinelessness. Not standing up to somebody who has worked for you for 19 years and whose "flaw" you've known all along?

Despicable.

I agree, it is part of why we need a law against LGBT discrimination.
Because that way the school RCD Columbus would say yes, we are concerned too but we can fire her for being gay its the law.

Needed a touch-up there.

[Greed and Death]

I agree, it is part of why we need a law against LGBT discrimination.
Because that way the school RCD Columbus would say yes, we are concerned too but we can fire her for being gay its the law.

Needed a touch-up there.

Yeah but see if we had a law, after the first few times parents called and realized they could not get the teacher fired, they might give up and move on to more important things like raising their kids.