Lesbian Teacher in Ohio Fired

[Bottle]

Because if we encourage Catholics and other religious bigots to impose their backward, discriminatory belief systems as much as possible, this will help drive all worthwhile people out of those religions and will thereby weaken their social, political, and economic power.

Interdasting.

If I were just a bit more anti-Christian, I'd support legislation requiring that all Christian schools, businesses, and organizations discriminate against anyone who violates Levitical laws. Fastest way to kill that religion would be to force them to actually practice what's in their holy book.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Because if we encourage Catholics and other religious bigots to impose their backward, discriminatory belief systems as much as possible, this will help drive all worthwhile people out of those religions and will thereby weaken their social, political, and economic power.

Seems like an unnecessarily complicated strategy, that I fear won't even work.

Why not just simply strip them of the power to discriminate against gay folks?

Somewhat unpopular. Would inspire more opposition and entrench those who may question the Catholic decisions (as in this case) in their ways because they are 'defending their religion from oppression'.

Turns out, they're shooting themselves in the foot with their bigotry.

[Risottia]

Interdasting.

If I were just a bit more anti-Christian, I'd support legislation requiring that all Christian schools, businesses, and organizations discriminate against anyone who violates Levitical laws. Fastest way to kill that religion would be to force them to actually practice what's in their holy book.

Your deviousness makes you incredibly hot. And you know it.

[Indira]

And they call themselves 'loving' christians. Maybe I'm missing something here, but have they just missed the whole 'none-judgemental' part of the Bible? It's not like the teacher was having an affair with a pupil, or sexually abusing young boys. Oh wait, THAT would probably be encouraged.

[Bottle]

Because if we encourage Catholics and other religious bigots to impose their backward, discriminatory belief systems as much as possible, this will help drive all worthwhile people out of those religions and will thereby weaken their social, political, and economic power.

Seems like an unnecessarily complicated strategy, that I fear won't even work.

Why not just simply strip them of the power to discriminate against gay folks?

Just to be clear, I wasn't being serious, just offering one reason why it might be a good idea.

Personally I subscribe to the Kindergarten model for dealing with those who have not reached emotional adulthood (such as sexists, homophobes, racists, etc.): You explain to them, clearly and slowly, why their behavior is not acceptable, and then you stop engaging with them if they continue to throw a tantrum. Simply impose the rules and ignore the tantrum until they either get over it or find something new to whine about.

[Grenartia]

I saw a "there is nothing in the bible against homosexuality" comment.

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13).

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24).

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).

Are Leviticus and Romans not counted as parts of the Bible?

Leviticus doesn't apply to Christians, not to mention that its such an anal retentive book that nobody even really follows it today. Ever wear clothes made of mixed fabrics? Eat a bacon cheeseburger? Eat seafood other than fish with scales? Grow more than one plant in the same plot?

If you answered yes to one or more of the above, then you've gone against Leviticus. And yet there's no social outcry for doing ANY of those things. Why should homosexuality be any different? Why do people who hold signs quoting Leviticus in condemnation of homosexuality not protest in front of those houses of sin known as Red Lobster, or protest against nearly the entire Gulf Coast seafood industry?

As for Romans, the word Paul uses that has been translated as "homosexuals" more accurately refers to temple prostitution than homosexuality. Not to mention that if Paul actually wanted to condemn homosexuality, there was an already existing Greek word that he should have used.

Don't want any more of these creeps.

Why?

Interdasting.

If I were just a bit more anti-Christian, I'd support legislation requiring that all Christian schools, businesses, and organizations discriminate against anyone who violates Levitical laws. Fastest way to kill that religion would be to force them to actually practice what's in their holy book.

Leviticus doesn't fucking apply to Christianity.

[Gauthier]

Why?

Because if we encourage Catholics and other religious bigots to impose their backward, discriminatory belief systems as much as possible, this will help drive all worthwhile people out of those religions and will thereby weaken their social, political, and economic power.

If a Muslim school had fired a woman after 19 years for being a lesbian, private or not guaranteed those same Catholics would be pitching a fit about it. Islamic Litmus Test.

[Zottistan]

Sorry, I meant they should have that right.

Why?

Because you shouldn't have to like somebody, you shouldn't have to act like you like somebody, and you shouldn't have to do business with somebody. If you're made to do business with somebody against your will, you don't really own your business, do you?

[Mike the Progressive]

Private school, as long as it's not receiving public funds, has a right to do what they want...

[Mike the Progressive]

Because if we encourage Catholics and other religious bigots to impose their backward, discriminatory belief systems as much as possible, this will help drive all worthwhile people out of those religions and will thereby weaken their social, political, and economic power.

If a Muslim school had fired a woman after 19 years for being a lesbian, private or not guaranteed those same Catholics would be pitching a fit about it. Islamic Litmus Test.

The problem, of course, being with this hypothetical scenario is that a Muslim school would never tolerate a lesbian. Stop with this "OMG, doublestandards, doublestandards" crap.

[Indira]

Private school, as long as it's not receiving public funds, has a right to do what they want...

Businesses still have to follow the law of the country they operate in

[Des-Bal]

Businesses still have to follow the law of the country they operate in

Unless you're a leibnizian optimist that doesn't change what they should be allowed to do.

[Benuty]

Businesses still have to follow the law of the country they operate in

Unless you're a leibnizian optimist that doesn't change what they should be allowed to do.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Private school, as long as it's not receiving public funds, has a right to do what they want...

Businesses still have to follow the law of the country they operate in

And they are following the law. As long as they're not accepting public funds, they have a right to teach whatever nonsense they want.

[Transhuman Proteus]

If a Muslim school had fired a woman after 19 years for being a lesbian, private or not guaranteed those same Catholics would be pitching a fit about it. Islamic Litmus Test.

The problem, of course, being with this hypothetical scenario is that a Muslim school would never tolerate a lesbian. Stop with this "OMG, doublestandards, doublestandards" crap.

Theoretically it could happen, since there is a long tradition of closeted Muslim homosexuals for that reason - they wouldn't be tolerated. And since in many places getting fired might be the least of their problems if they were found out.

[Des-Bal]

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So you don't care that a distinction exists between what's right and what the law says exists? That's a very odd thing to not care about, maybe instead of posting gifs you could form a cogent point and then post it.

[Ayreonia]

As much as I am for secularism and LGBT rights, I can kind of see the school's point. If I showed up at work tomorrow wearing a yellow leotard and having my hair up in a bright green mohawk, I'd get sacked pretty damn quick, even if it's against the law to discriminate against people based on the way they dress and groom. The strange thing here is that they took so damn long.

[Greed and Death]

As much as I am for secularism and LGBT rights, I can kind of see the school's point. If I showed up at work tomorrow wearing a yellow leotard and having my hair up in a bright green mohawk, I'd get sacked pretty damn quick, even if it's against the law to discriminate against people based on the way they dress and groom. The strange thing here is that they took so damn long.

It was not being a lesbian according to the school
It was it becoming know, not to the school, but to the public at large that was an issue.

[Ayreonia]

As much as I am for secularism and LGBT rights, I can kind of see the school's point. If I showed up at work tomorrow wearing a yellow leotard and having my hair up in a bright green mohawk, I'd get sacked pretty damn quick, even if it's against the law to discriminate against people based on the way they dress and groom. The strange thing here is that they took so damn long.

It was not being a lesbian according to the school
It was it becoming know, not to the school, but to the public at large that was an issue.

In that case, it's simple spinelessness. Not standing up to somebody who has worked for you for 19 years and whose "flaw" you've known all along?

Despicable.

[Farnhamia]

As much as I am for secularism and LGBT rights, I can kind of see the school's point. If I showed up at work tomorrow wearing a yellow leotard and having my hair up in a bright green mohawk, I'd get sacked pretty damn quick, even if it's against the law to discriminate against people based on the way they dress and groom. The strange thing here is that they took so damn long.

It was not being a lesbian according to the school
It was it becoming know, not to the school, but to the public at large that was an issue.

Becoming known in her mother's obituary, about which one parent complained. "Sorry for your loss and, uhm, we need you to clean out your desk by the end of the day. God bless."

[The Black Forrest]

As much as I am for secularism and LGBT rights, I can kind of see the school's point. If I showed up at work tomorrow wearing a yellow leotard and having my hair up in a bright green mohawk, I'd get sacked pretty damn quick, even if it's against the law to discriminate against people based on the way they dress and groom. The strange thing here is that they took so damn long.

It was not being a lesbian according to the school
It was it becoming know, not to the school, but to the public at large that was an issue.

Oh the church adopted "Don't ask; don't tell?"

[The Black Forrest]

Why?

Because if we encourage Catholics and other religious bigots to impose their backward, discriminatory belief systems as much as possible, this will help drive all worthwhile people out of those religions and will thereby weaken their social, political, and economic power.

It's one of the reasons I left......

[Farnhamia]

It was not being a lesbian according to the school
It was it becoming know, not to the school, but to the public at large that was an issue.

Oh the church adopted "Don't ask; don't tell?"

Except they did know about it. "You're ... a lesbian. Hmm, yes, well ... alright, we really like your qualifications and all ... tell you what, as long as no one notices or complains, you're hired."

[The Black Forrest]

Oh the church adopted "Don't ask; don't tell?"

Except they did know about it. "You're ... a lesbian. Hmm, yes, well ... alright, we really like your qualifications and all ... tell you what, as long as no one notices or complains, you're hired."

Did they?

When the pedo-priest thing went public; the Vatican's response was more measures to make sure homosexuals aren't trying to become Priests.

[Farnhamia]

Except they did know about it. "You're ... a lesbian. Hmm, yes, well ... alright, we really like your qualifications and all ... tell you what, as long as no one notices or complains, you're hired."

Did they?

When the pedo-priest thing went public; the Vatican's response was more measures to make sure homosexuals aren't trying to become Priests.

That was my impression from what several others have posted. Could be wrong.