Lesbian Teacher in Ohio Fired

[The Black Forrest]

Exactly. I know that you're not disgusted. And I don't agree with you either.

So you see, your position makes sense for you as much as mine does for me.

I never said it doesn't make sense. . .

I said, "Too bad." I didn't say, "Oh, well, that simply doesn't make sense!" or, "I don't understand!" I said, "Too bad, " as in, "Cry me a river and get the fuck over it."

Aren't you adorable being all hipster like.......

[The Black Forrest]

A school board that is funded by a ministry that has a habit of protecting pedophile priests fires a teacher of nineteen years, for putting in print that she was a lesbian.

That is what Gauthier said. That is not a hyperbole. That is not a cheap-shot. That is not pathetic.

It is an entirely fair remark to make about the hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic Dominion of Columbus. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a cheap-shot. Just because you think it's unimportant doesn't make it pathetic. Just because you can't understand the point being made doesn't make it hyperbolic.

Okay, perhaps it misread it. However, it is still pathetic and cheap. So they have had a history of being connected to pedophile. This somehow invalidates their decision how? It doesn't. It's cheap potshot because he's trying to bring up an irrelevant point to discredit the institution.

It's called hypocrisy. Look it up.

[The Black Forrest]

Nor with the facts....oh except in regards to evolution, which the previous Pope acknowledged as fact.

Give me a source where Pope Benedict the sixteenth says that Evolution is a fact.

*shrugs* When it comes to Religion; it's nothing more then an opinion and those change......

[The Black Forrest]

Fuck man, I wish I had big red font for my name so that people listen to me when I say thread is not about evolution.

I listened to you.

[Grenartia]

Its a Catholic school, which is obviously not related to the State, but only to the Church. So no one can pull that separation of church and state BS. If she wants to go against God at one of God's schools, she took the risk.

Arguably, its not going against God at all.

A shame she was fired, but, what did you expect by coming out of the closet while working at a catholic school?

Religious institutions have a constitutional right to deny accepting people who's lifestyle choices go against their code of ethics, and the catholic church (and all christian churches, for that matter, with a few fringe exceptions), have disagreed with homosexual thoughts for the past two thousand years.

If you want to be open about your sexual preferences, please work somewhere where it doesn't go directly against the rules.

This is like applying for a job at PETA, and at the job interview you come in eating a bucket of KFC.

Except that there's waay more than "a few fringe exceptions" that view homosexulaity as perfectly ok. Several mainstream American and European denominations officially support gay marriage, have openly gay clergy, etc. As they well should, seeing as how the Bible doesn't actually even condemn homosexuality.

Because she needed a job?

But she chose to work at a religious school who's religion is against homosexuality.

Maybe it was, you know, the only job she could get at the time, and liked it so much she didn't want to leave?

No, it isn't like that. Its like applying to work with PETA with a hamburger packed in your lunch pale, getting hired, eating it, then getting fired nineteen years later for this infraction. It is completely idiotic and wrong.

Are you even reading what I type? IF SHE CAN'T FOLLOW THE RULES, SHE'S GOT TO GO. It's like that for, oh, I don't know, every other job on the face of the planet. Do what your employers want you to do, or leave. it's that simple.

Arguably, by any sane stretch of the imagination, it shouldn't be against the rules.

You know every time I see a story like this I imagine a bunch of religious homophobes standing around a huge hole going "Fuck that don't look near deep enough maybe we should keep digging"

Idiots.

So, you're an idiot for upholding your religious code?

If your religion doesn't even actually condemn something you claim it condemns, yes.

Well? She worked 19 years for the school. A small blurb in the paper about her mother's death mentioned it. She get's tossed.

So yes that's pretty fucking stupid.

I say they should have never hired her in the first place, and am just glad that they fired her.

Why are you glad that a woman who's teaching skills have helped hundreds of kids is being fired, fo a reason that is totally stupid?

That's like firing a mall security guard who helps homeless people by using his connections to give them unused food from the food court, for the reason that he has blond hair.

I'm curious as to whether the school believes that only single people should teach children, and have fired any other, heterosexual teachers in the past for having their relationships publicized. Otherwise, the statements "we didn't fire her because she was a lesbian" and "we fired her because her relationship was publicized" do not compute.

You bring up a good point, the church could fire her for premartial sex.

What if she had an unofficial marriage at a church (arguably the only mrriage she COULD get)?

The United States constitution is the supreme law of the United states last time I checked.

And I'd like to Amend the Constitution and add a clause banning Same-Sex Marriage.

Thanks for confirming to me that you hate America, and the founding principles it was based on.

I kindly ask that if you feel somebody shouldn't have the right to Pursue Happiness, that you move out of the country.

So? A private school can fire people for being niggers?

I think they could by law but it would look very bad. Again I disagree with the actual firing. I am just trying to figure out why people are surpised by CATHOLICS FIRING A HOMOSEXUAL.

We're not surprised, but we are still, nonetheless, angry about it.

You're supposed to mark what you change in someone else's post.

No.

Farm's right. I've seen the mods go after somebody for doing that, just an FYI.

You know if this were the 1960s it would be something about racial minorities wouldn't it?

I heavily support the overturning of the Interracial Marriage laws and am glad that they got overturned because they threw people in PRISON for interracialy marrying. I do not want that for Gay People. In practice, I don't even want the Federal Govt. deciding, but in personal belief, I simply want a Constitutional Amendment nullifying any same-sex marriages and forbidding the Federal Govt from recognizing them.

There's no real difference between people wanting interracial marriage and people wanting same-sex marriage.

Why do you hate State rights?

You really can't read the entire thing can you? In practice, I want the states to decide, but in personal belief, I want a Constitutional Amendment. That means that my belief in State's Rights overrules my support for a Constitution Amendment, but I still support a Constitutional Amendment.

States shouldn't have a right to enact discriminatory laws.

And again, a constitutional anti-SSM amendment goes against the very ideas and principles this country was founded on.

It's about time we rooted out these closet cases running around. But a teacher?! I'm outraged NationStates how could any institution that already steals money from the state also hire people who like the hello kitty? Something needs to be done about this egregious crime, mainly because I'm unsure of what that word means.

Poe?

Well, obviously, its her fault for being an unnatural lesbian.



Obviously.

Ya WOW, I must say this again...WOOOOW! "...He Doth Protest To Much."
I suspect you hypocritically rub one (Many?) out to girl on girl porn (Seeing as you obviously could never get in between, or even hold the camera!)

First, it should've been obvious by my tone and ridiculous words, that I was being sarcastic, and even then, if there were any doubt, its practically in my fucking signature that I support LGBT equality. Also, I'm not a 'he'.

Secondly, ad hominems and other personal attacks aren't needed. As for the underlined, you've never even fucking seen me before.

Ya WOW, I must say this again...WOOOOW! "...He Doth Protest To Much."
I suspect you hypocritically rub one (Many?) out to girl on girl porn (Seeing as you obviously could never get in between, or even hold the camera!)

I do think (s)he was being sarcastic, Mr. Nazi.

My preferred pronoun is 'they', just for future reference. And yes, I was, thank you for pointing it out.

[Ethel mermania]

i couldnt get the op aricle to open. here is another link

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1321258

in ohio sexual orientation is a protected class, it is going to be an interesting lawsuit.

[Risottia]

This makes me so ashamed to live near this school. Carla Hale, according to the school was not fired for being a lesbian, but because he relationship was publicized in her mother's obituary.

I don't even know where to start with this. Sure, she taught at a Catholic school, but it is also illegal in Columbus to discriminate based on sexuality.

http://dft.ba/-5CFR

The school should be fined, A LOT, plus it should be forced to pay Mrs.Hale a compensation (let's say equivalent to 2 years wage), and the firing should be declared legally void (so the school has also to pay her her wages for the time she was unjustly barred from her workplace).

And any connection of that school with the government (public funding, legal validity of its attendance for the eventual mandatory schooling) should be severed.

[Benuty]

Why do they care if her relationship was publicized? Heterosexual couples don't have to live in fear of others discovering their sexuality. This is why same-sex marriage should be allowed.

Not convinced.

Yes God forbid we prevent people who love each other from marrying.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Incredible that people can fired for something like this in this day and age. Nice to see that the Catholic Church continuing to be a beacon of love and tolerance.

*cough*

[Daemyrs]

I saw a "there is nothing in the bible against homosexuality" comment.

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13).

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24).

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).

Are Leviticus and Romans not counted as parts of the Bible?

[Des-Bal]

Private schools should have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose.

[Tekania]

It's possible that there are certain conditions of employment that may be contractual. Conditions such as not being allowed to live contrary to the teachings of the church. Remember that I said it was possible, I'm just speculating. Also, I think it's bullshit that they would be allowed to do that.

There was a teacher in my Catholic school who was fired for getting pregnant before she was married.

Of course, merely putting something in a contract doesn't guaranty it any validity. A contract cannot contain provision which are in fact illegal.... in short and in all likelihood the immorality clause would get blown all to hell in a civil proceeding in this instance.

[Benuty]

Private schools should have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose.

Yeah heres the thing Jack " She was working there close to 20 years before they fired her"

[Des-Bal]

Yeah heres the thing Jack " She was working there close to 20 years before they fired her"

Oh really? Well then, private schools should have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose.

[Benuty]

Yeah heres the thing Jack " She was working there close to 20 years before they fired her"

Oh really?Well then, private schools should give a valid reason other than " Even though you told us your a lesbian, we found out your a lesbian so your fired even though you've been working for us for 20 years" have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose.

heavily fixed.

[CTALNH]

Tell that to the Dominionists.

Holy shit really?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Yeah heres the thing Jack " She was working there close to 20 years before they fired her"

Oh really? Well then, private schools should have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose.

Oh I'm sorry...we don't hire coloured folk.

[Des-Bal]

Oh really? Well then, private schools should give a valid reason other than " Even though you told us your a lesbian, we found out your a lesbian so your fired even though you've been working for us for 20 years" have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose.

Of all the ways to say "I disagree with you" that was easily the worst. You did not need to edit my post. You could have just wrote those words and made them into a post of your own.

[Benuty]

Oh really? Well then, private schools should give a valid reason other than " Even though you told us your a lesbian, we found out your a lesbian so your fired even though you've been working for us for 20 years" have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose.

Of all the ways to say "I disagree with you" that was easily the worst. You did not need to edit my post. You could have just wrote those words and made them into a post of your own.

Yet its been an easily approved method on the internet for years .

[Des-Bal]

Oh I'm sorry...we don't hire coloured folk.

Yup, even then. Hire and fire based on whatever criteria they like.

[Benuty]

Oh I'm sorry...we don't hire coloured folk.

Yup, even then. Hire and fire based on whatever criteria they like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

I have yet to see a school of less than 15 members in its faculty.

[Des-Bal]

Yet its been an easily approved method on the internet for years .

No it hasn't. When you edit someone's post you're supposed to be rephrasing what they said without any of the language used to cloud their meaning. You just said the opposite of what I said.

[Benuty]

Yet its been an easily approved method on the internet for years .

No it hasn't. When you edit someone's post you're supposed to be rephrasing what they said without any of the language used to cloud their meaning. You just said the opposite of what I said.

Where have you been for... the past 5 years?

[Des-Bal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

I have yet to see a school of less than 15 members in its faculty.

See when I say "private schools should have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose" I mean that even if the law means it is currently illegal private schools should have the right to hire and fire based on whatever criteria they choose. Just like when I say Gay Marriage should be recognized at a federal level I am not by word or deed suggesting that Gay Marriage is currently being recognized at the federal level.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Oh I'm sorry...we don't hire coloured folk.

Yup, even then. Hire and fire based on whatever criteria they like.

Yuo so oarsum bra! Here...have a PBR!