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Okay, perhaps it misread it. However, it is still pathetic and cheap. So they have had a history of being connected to pedophile. This somehow invalidates their decision how? It doesn't. It's cheap potshot because he's trying to bring up an irrelevant point to discredit the institution.


It's however proof of hypocrisy, which is what Gauthier wanted to demonstrate.


What hypocrisy? They, according to Camicon, protected a pedophile. Now they fire a homosexual. And simply because they made a bad choice does not mean they can't make the right one later on. (As they just did it here.)
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It's however proof of hypocrisy, which is what Gauthier wanted to demonstrate.


What hypocrisy? They, according to Camicon, protected a pedophile. Now they fire a homosexual. And simply because they made a bad choice does not mean they can't make the right one later on. (As they just did it here.)


Hypocrisy at its finest.

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Postby Abatael » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:14 pm

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What hypocrisy? They, according to Camicon, protected a pedophile. Now they fire a homosexual. And simply because they made a bad choice does not mean they can't make the right one later on. (As they just did it here.)


Hypocrisy at its finest.


You failed to explain it.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:16 pm

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Hypocrisy at its finest.


You failed to explain it.


Need I? You've done a great favor in doing so.

Abatael wrote:What hypocrisy? They, according to Camicon, protected a pedophile. Now they fire a homosexual.


There you go. But don't think I've forgotten about the rest.

Abatael wrote:And simply because they made a bad choice does not mean they can't make the right one later on. (As they just did it here.)


This justification makes you a hypocrite as much as them.

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Postby Camicon » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:16 pm

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Camicon wrote:A school board that is funded by a ministry that has a habit of protecting pedophile priests fires a teacher of nineteen years, for putting in print that she was a lesbian.

That is what Gauthier said. That is not a hyperbole. That is not a cheap-shot. That is not pathetic.

It is an entirely fair remark to make about the hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic Dominion of Columbus. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a cheap-shot. Just because you think it's unimportant doesn't make it pathetic. Just because you can't understand the point being made doesn't make it hyperbolic.


Okay, perhaps it misread it. However, it is still pathetic and cheap. So they have had a history of being connected to pedophile. This somehow invalidates their decision how? It doesn't. It's cheap potshot because he's trying to bring up an irrelevant point to discredit the institution.

It isn't cheap, nor is it pathetic.

Look at it this way. The RCC spends years shielding pedophile priests, and by proxy preventing their victims from receiving either help or justice. Then, they turn around and fire a teacher who has worked for them, teaching children, for the last nineteen years. Not because she was a lesbian, and not because she hid that she was a lesbian (because she did not), but because that information became slightly more public than the RCD Columbus was comfortable with.

Church actively represses information about pedo-priests, still protects them when it becomes public.
Same church flips shit and fires a hard-working teacher, when what should be an inconsequential and irrelevant piece of information reaches the ears of a single parent.
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Postby Cosara » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:18 pm

Camicon wrote:
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Okay, perhaps it misread it. However, it is still pathetic and cheap. So they have had a history of being connected to pedophile. This somehow invalidates their decision how? It doesn't. It's cheap potshot because he's trying to bring up an irrelevant point to discredit the institution.

It isn't cheap, nor is it pathetic.

Look at it this way. The RCC spends years shielding pedophile priests, and by proxy preventing their victims from receiving either help or justice. Then, they turn around and fire a teacher who has worked for them, teaching children, for the last nineteen years. Not because she was a lesbian, and not because she hid that she was a lesbian (because she did not), but because that information became slightly more public than the RCD Columbus was comfortable with.

Church actively represses information about pedo-priests, still protects them when it becomes public.
Same church flips shit and fires a hard-working teacher, when what should be an inconsequential and irrelevant piece of information reaches the ears of a single parent.

How many times do I have to say this. It was Pope Benedict (maybe under preceding popes, but it was notorious under Benedict) who protected them and moved them around. Pope Francis is trying to get the Pedophile child molesters arrested or stripped of their title.
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Postby Abatael » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:19 pm

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You failed to explain it.


Need I? You've done a great favor in doing so.

Abatael wrote:What hypocrisy? They, according to Camicon, protected a pedophile. Now they fire a homosexual.


There you go. But don't think I've forgotten about the rest.

Abatael wrote:And simply because they made a bad choice does not mean they can't make the right one later on. (As they just did it here.)


This justification makes you a hypocrite as much as them.


That's not hypocrisy. That's a correction. They went from harboring sexual perverts to ridding themselves of them. It's like a ex-convict doing honest work. That's not hypocritical; it's teh right thing to do.
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Postby Imsogone » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:19 pm

Abatael wrote:
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It's however proof of hypocrisy, which is what Gauthier wanted to demonstrate.


What hypocrisy? They, according to Camicon, protected a pedophile. Now they fire a homosexual. And simply because they made a bad choice does not mean they can't make the right one later on. (As they just did it here.)


Explain to me, without referring to the Bible (which I don't believe in) or Church law (which, again, I don't believe in), why firing a homosexual for being a homosexual is the right choice. Was she a bad teacher (after 19 years, I'm betting not)? Did a whole bunch of students suddenly become gay because of her? Did she abuse her students or her position? The school acted hypocritically and arbitrarily with no particular consistent rationale for it's actions. She was a lesbian when she was hired, they knew she was a lesbian when she was hired - what changed in that 19 year period that suddenly demanded that she be fired?
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Postby Camicon » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:20 pm

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Camicon wrote:It isn't cheap, nor is it pathetic.

Look at it this way. The RCC spends years shielding pedophile priests, and by proxy preventing their victims from receiving either help or justice. Then, they turn around and fire a teacher who has worked for them, teaching children, for the last nineteen years. Not because she was a lesbian, and not because she hid that she was a lesbian (because she did not), but because that information became slightly more public than the RCD Columbus was comfortable with.

Church actively represses information about pedo-priests, still protects them when it becomes public.
Same church flips shit and fires a hard-working teacher, when what should be an inconsequential and irrelevant piece of information reaches the ears of a single parent.

How many times do I have to say this. It was Pope Benedict (maybe under preceding popes, but it was notorious under Benedict) who protected them and moved them around. Pope Francis is trying to get the Pedophile child molesters arrested or stripped of their title.

The RCC does not become a new organization simply because they change the person that wears the funny hat.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:20 pm

Abatael wrote:That's not hypocrisy. That's a correction. They went from harboring sexual perverts to ridding themselves of them. It's like a ex-convict doing honest work. That's not hypocritical; it's teh right thing to do.


I didn't see this teacher corrupting kids after 19 years. Yet now they fire her on account of her sexual orientation. And the pedophile priest got protected.

Hypocrites them.

And hypocrite you.

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Postby Abatael » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:21 pm

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What hypocrisy? They, according to Camicon, protected a pedophile. Now they fire a homosexual. And simply because they made a bad choice does not mean they can't make the right one later on. (As they just did it here.)


Explain to me, without referring to the Bible (which I don't believe in) or Church law (which, again, I don't believe in) firing a homosexual for being a homosexual is the right choice. Was she a bad teacher (after 19 years, I'm betting not)? Did a whole bunch of students suddenly become gay because of her? Did she abuse her students or her position? The school acted hypocritically and arbitrarily with no particular consistent rationale for it's actions. She was a lesbian when she was hired, they knew she was a lesbian when she was hired - what changed in that 19 year period that suddenly demanded that she be fired?


They have their by-laws. They follow their by-laws. (That's the point of them.) It doesn't matter what you believe in, since you're not making the decisions there.
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Postby Gallifra » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:21 pm

This is ridiculous. I sometimes hate this world and it's system.

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Postby Abatael » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:22 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Abatael wrote:That's not hypocrisy. That's a correction. They went from harboring sexual perverts to ridding themselves of them. It's like a ex-convict doing honest work. That's not hypocritical; it's teh right thing to do.


I didn't see this teacher corrupting kids after 19 years. Yet now they fire her on account of her sexual orientation. And the pedophile priest got protected.

Hypocrites them.

And hypocrite you.


Again, it's a rectification. They don't say it's wrong to fire homosexuals and then do it. They made a mistake. Now they're making the right choice. You don't like it? Get over it.
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Postby Imsogone » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:23 pm

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Explain to me, without referring to the Bible (which I don't believe in) or Church law (which, again, I don't believe in) firing a homosexual for being a homosexual is the right choice. Was she a bad teacher (after 19 years, I'm betting not)? Did a whole bunch of students suddenly become gay because of her? Did she abuse her students or her position? The school acted hypocritically and arbitrarily with no particular consistent rationale for it's actions. She was a lesbian when she was hired, they knew she was a lesbian when she was hired - what changed in that 19 year period that suddenly demanded that she be fired?


They have their by-laws. They follow their by-laws. (That's the point of them.) It doesn't matter what you believe in, since you're not making the decisions there.


The arbitrary hypocrisy of the RCC is one reason I'm not Catholic. Preach love, practice hate. Preach poverty, display wealth. Preach equality, practice discrimination. Yeah.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:23 pm

Abatael wrote:Again, it's a rectification. They don't say it's wrong to fire homosexuals and then do it. They made a mistake. Now they're making the right choice. You don't like it? Get over it.


I don't have to. Nor does she.

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Postby Fireye » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:23 pm

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So...

You can be biased against Catholicism, but it can't be biased against something you believe in?

Nice hypocracy.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:24 pm

I totally support their legal and constitutional right to make this boneheaded, short-sighted, vile, inhuman, unfair, and bigoted decision.

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Postby Abatael » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:24 pm

Imsogone wrote:
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They have their by-laws. They follow their by-laws. (That's the point of them.) It doesn't matter what you believe in, since you're not making the decisions there.


The arbitrary hypocrisy of the RCC is one reason I'm not Catholic. Preach love, practice hate. Preach poverty, display wealth. Preach equality, practice discrimination. Yeah.


Good to know.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:25 pm

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The arbitrary hypocrisy of the RCC is one reason I'm not Catholic. Preach love, practice hate. Preach poverty, display wealth. Preach equality, practice discrimination. Yeah.


Good to know.


Are you done playing tough fascist as you always do?

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Postby The U S S R » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:25 pm

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Samuraikoku wrote:
I didn't see this teacher corrupting kids after 19 years. Yet now they fire her on account of her sexual orientation. And the pedophile priest got protected.

Hypocrites them.

And hypocrite you.


Again, it's a rectification. They don't say it's wrong to fire homosexuals and then do it. They made a mistake. Now they're making the right choice. You don't like it? Get over it.


So you expect all of us to sit back and just be oppressed by these twisted religious fanatics?

I think not...

Yes, we certainly CAN do something about it. Do you not see/pay attention to laws in Columbus, or do you just choose to ignore them like we "choose to be gay?" Do these fucking warped Catholics choose to be assholes to everyone else, and spend hellacious amounts of money on useless shit that they don't fucking need?
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Postby Abatael » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:25 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Abatael wrote:Again, it's a rectification. They don't say it's wrong to fire homosexuals and then do it. They made a mistake. Now they're making the right choice. You don't like it? Get over it.


I don't have to. Nor does she.


You're right; you don't. But that, as sure as Hell, isn't going to get you anywhere.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:26 pm

Abatael wrote:You're right; you don't. But that, as sure as Hell, isn't going to get you anywhere.


Where do I need to go?

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Good to know.


Are you done playing tough fascist as you always do?


What?
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Abatael wrote:What?


That's all I've seen from you. "Their choice. They're right. Good to know."

Any more worthless platitudes you want to spit?

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