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Thoricia wrote:

Cosara wrote:So, you're an idiot for upholding your religious code?

So if your Christian your supposed to be against gay people? I guess I read to much into the part about accepting everyone for who they are silly me.

Ceannairceach wrote:

The New Earth Coalition wrote:Its a Catholic school, which is obviously not related to the State, but only to the Church. So no one can pull that separation of church and state BS. If she wants to go against God at one of God's schools, she took the risk.

She didn't choose to out herself in her mother's obituary. It was not her that wrote it, it was not her that published it. She was punished for something out of her control.

Imsogone wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
Are you even reading what I type? IF SHE CAN'T FOLLOW THE RULES, SHE'S GOT TO GO. It's like that for, oh, I don't know, every other job on the face of the planet. Do what your employers want you to do, or leave. it's that simple.

Even if the employer waits 19 years to fire you for an infraction they knew about from the gitgo? That seems a bit - oh, I don't know ... illogical?

Cosara wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:She didn't choose to out herself in her mother's obituary. It was not her that wrote it, it was not her that published it. She was punished for something out of her control.

Yes, and your car insurance rates double if you get into a fender bender. You're point?

Desperate Measures wrote:

Haydenish People wrote:Did I mention I live near Columbus? It's the top story on the local news here, and the petition to give her her job back has 52,000 signatures. By the way, the reason she was fired was ridiculous. She apparently publicized her relationship with her partner in her mother's obituary.

They reasoned she'd literally do anything to grab headlines?

Ohio is fucked up some, isn't it?

Ceannairceach wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
...the Episcopal Church, who frequently disregard doctrine laid down in sacred holy scripture and replace it with modernized jargon for PR purposes?

Source on that? As an atheistic Episcopal, I take mild offense.

Imsogone wrote:Job candidate: Hi. I want to apply for a position teaching at this school. For the record I am a lesbian.
HR person: Ok. What area can you teach in?
JC: *name of subject(s)*
HR: You're hired.

*19 years pass*

HR: JC we saw in an obituary in the lower left corner of the fifth page of section D of *name of newspaper* that you're in a lesbian relationship. You're fired.
JC: But I told you when you hired me that I was a lesbian.
HR: Yes, but we didn't know you were a LESBIAN.

Imsogone wrote:Job candidate: Hi. I want to apply for a position teaching at this school. For the record I am a lesbian.
HR person: Ok. What area can you teach in?
JC: *name of subject(s)*
HR: You're hired.

*19 years pass*

HR: JC we saw in an obituary in the lower left corner of the fifth page of section D of *name of newspaper* that you're in a lesbian relationship. You're fired.
JC: But I told you when you hired me that I was a lesbian.
HR: Yes, but we didn't know you were a LESBIAN.

Samuraikoku wrote:Well, sadly it is to be expected of Catholic schools.

Once again, they have failed the Emperor.

Untaroicht wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:Source on that? As an atheistic Episcopal, I take mild offense.

One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

Cosara wrote:

Imsogone wrote:Job candidate: Hi. I want to apply for a position teaching at this school. For the record I am a lesbian.
HR person: Ok. What area can you teach in?
JC: *name of subject(s)*
HR: You're hired.

*19 years pass*

HR: JC we saw in an obituary in the lower left corner of the fifth page of section D of *name of newspaper* that you're in a lesbian relationship. You're fired.
JC: But I told you when you hired me that I was a lesbian.
HR: Yes, but we didn't know you were a LESBIAN.

All I can say is that if they knew she was lesbian, they shouldn't have hired her and if she became open about it after getting the job, they should have fired her. Not wait 19 years to do. Anyways, I am glad the the Catholic School finally did it.

Ceannairceach wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

Heh, funny, because nowhere in that scripture does it say that women are explicitly prohibited from being ordained.

Untaroicht wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:Source on that? As an atheistic Episcopal, I take mild offense.

One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

Untaroicht wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:Source on that? As an atheistic Episcopal, I take mild offense.

One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

Cosara wrote:

Thoricia wrote:You know every time I see a story like this I imagine a bunch of religious homophobes standing around a huge hole going "Fuck that don't look near deep enough maybe we should keep digging"

Idiots.

So, you're an idiot for upholding your religious code?

Untaroicht wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:Heh, funny, because nowhere in that scripture does it say that women are explicitly prohibited from being ordained.

It only mention's men, and when they do mention women they are talking about the wives of clergymen.

Ceannairceach wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
It only mention's men, and when they do mention women they are talking about the wives of clergymen.

In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.

Untaroicht wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.

In modern language, not 2000 years ago when the scriptures were written.

Ceannairceach wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
It only mention's men, and when they do mention women they are talking about the wives of clergymen.

In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.

Anachronous Rex wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

And in 1964 the Catholic Church renounced the charge of Deicide against the Jewish people, even though it is specifically warranted in Matthew 27:24-25.

Your point?

The Black Forrest wrote:

Cosara wrote:So, you're an idiot for upholding your religious code?

Well? She worked 19 years for the school. A small blurb in the paper about her mother's death mentioned it. She get's tossed.

So yes that's pretty fucking stupid.

Cosara wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.

Well in the verse he mentioned, I don't think they meant that Aliens couldn't be Priests or Deacons. I think that verse limited the Priesthood to men, though no where (absolutely no where) does it every say that women cannot be in the clergy. It's a matter of placement of the words "men" and "man".

Cosara wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Well? She worked 19 years for the school. A small blurb in the paper about her mother's death mentioned it. She get's tossed.

So yes that's pretty fucking stupid.

I say they should have never hired her in the first place, and am just glad that they fired her.

Untaroicht wrote:

Anachronous Rex wrote:And in 1964 the Catholic Church renounced the charge of Deicide against the Jewish people, even though it is specifically warranted in Matthew 27:24-25.

Your point?

That passage does not mention the jews specifically, it was badly misinterpreted.

When looking at the context of Matthew’s Gospel (specifically, chapters 26 and 27) it is quite obvious that the entire Jewish race was not totally responsible for having Jesus crucified. Matthew 26 and 27 informs the reader that one individual and three distinct groups were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. They are Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus into the hands of the Jewish authorities (Matt. 26:14–16; 47–50); the Jewish leaders. This group was made up of Caiphas the High Priest, the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes. They united to form the Sanhedrin of Jerusalem which tried Jesus on the charge of blasphemy (Matt. 26:47, 57–67; 27:1–2, 5, 18, 25); the Romans, comprised of the Procurator Pontius Pilate who handed Jesus over to be crucified and the Roman soldiers who actually nailed Jesus to the cross (Matt. 27:11–37); the Jewish mob of Jerusalem. Though their role in Matthew 27 seems passive and subordinated under the control and influence of the chief priests and elders, their guilt in the death of Christ cannot be overlooked. They had the opportunity afforded them by Pilate to have Jesus released, but they chose instead a criminal named Barabbas