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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:54 pm

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Cosara wrote:So, you're an idiot for upholding your religious code? :eyebrow:

So if your Christian your supposed to be against gay people? I guess I read to much into the part about accepting everyone for who they are silly me.

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Postby Cosara » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:54 pm

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The New Earth Coalition wrote:Its a Catholic school, which is obviously not related to the State, but only to the Church. So no one can pull that separation of church and state BS. If she wants to go against God at one of God's schools, she took the risk.

She didn't choose to out herself in her mother's obituary. It was not her that wrote it, it was not her that published it. She was punished for something out of her control.

Yes, and your car insurance rates double if you get into a fender bender. You're point?
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:55 pm

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Are you even reading what I type? IF SHE CAN'T FOLLOW THE RULES, SHE'S GOT TO GO. It's like that for, oh, I don't know, every other job on the face of the planet. Do what your employers want you to do, or leave. it's that simple.


Even if the employer waits 19 years to fire you for an infraction they knew about from the gitgo? That seems a bit - oh, I don't know ... illogical?


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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:55 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:She didn't choose to out herself in her mother's obituary. It was not her that wrote it, it was not her that published it. She was punished for something out of her control.

Yes, and your car insurance rates double if you get into a fender bender. You're point?

I am not a point. It's "your."

Show me where in her contract it said that she could be fired for being outed by someone other than herself.

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Postby Haydenish People » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:56 pm

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Haydenish People wrote:Did I mention I live near Columbus? It's the top story on the local news here, and the petition to give her her job back has 52,000 signatures. By the way, the reason she was fired was ridiculous. She apparently publicized her relationship with her partner in her mother's obituary.

They reasoned she'd literally do anything to grab headlines?

Ohio is fucked up some, isn't it?


Well, Warren G. Harding is from Marion, and we all know what he did...
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Postby Imsogone » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:58 pm

Job candidate: Hi. I want to apply for a position teaching at this school. For the record I am a lesbian.
HR person: Ok. What area can you teach in?
JC: *name of subject(s)*
HR: You're hired.

*19 years pass*

HR: JC we saw in an obituary in the lower left corner of the fifth page of section D of *name of newspaper* that you're in a lesbian relationship. You're fired.
JC: But I told you when you hired me that I was a lesbian.
HR: Yes, but we didn't know you were a LESBIAN.
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Postby Untaroicht » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:00 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:
...the Episcopal Church, who frequently disregard doctrine laid down in sacred holy scripture and replace it with modernized jargon for PR purposes?

Source on that? As an atheistic Episcopal, I take mild offense.


One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.
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Postby Cosara » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:00 pm

Imsogone wrote:Job candidate: Hi. I want to apply for a position teaching at this school. For the record I am a lesbian.
HR person: Ok. What area can you teach in?
JC: *name of subject(s)*
HR: You're hired.

*19 years pass*

HR: JC we saw in an obituary in the lower left corner of the fifth page of section D of *name of newspaper* that you're in a lesbian relationship. You're fired.
JC: But I told you when you hired me that I was a lesbian.
HR: Yes, but we didn't know you were a LESBIAN.

All I can say is that if they knew she was lesbian, they shouldn't have hired her and if she became open about it after getting the job, they should have fired her. Not wait 19 years to do. Anyways, I am glad the the Catholic School finally did it.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:00 pm

Imsogone wrote:Job candidate: Hi. I want to apply for a position teaching at this school. For the record I am a lesbian.
HR person: Ok. What area can you teach in?
JC: *name of subject(s)*
HR: You're hired.

*19 years pass*

HR: JC we saw in an obituary in the lower left corner of the fifth page of section D of *name of newspaper* that you're in a lesbian relationship. You're fired.
JC: But I told you when you hired me that I was a lesbian.
HR: Yes, but we didn't know you were a LESBIAN.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:01 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:Well, sadly it is to be expected of Catholic schools.

Once again, they have failed the Emperor.
That all depends on whether or not the last pope left for a better job in the Galactic Empire. But a Catholic school firing someone who is LGBT does not suprise me at all either. :meh:

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:03 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Source on that? As an atheistic Episcopal, I take mild offense.


One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

Heh, funny, because nowhere in that scripture does it say that women are explicitly prohibited from being ordained.

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Postby Imsogone » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:03 pm

Cosara wrote:
Imsogone wrote:Job candidate: Hi. I want to apply for a position teaching at this school. For the record I am a lesbian.
HR person: Ok. What area can you teach in?
JC: *name of subject(s)*
HR: You're hired.

*19 years pass*

HR: JC we saw in an obituary in the lower left corner of the fifth page of section D of *name of newspaper* that you're in a lesbian relationship. You're fired.
JC: But I told you when you hired me that I was a lesbian.
HR: Yes, but we didn't know you were a LESBIAN.

All I can say is that if they knew she was lesbian, they shouldn't have hired her and if she became open about it after getting the job, they should have fired her. Not wait 19 years to do. Anyways, I am glad the the Catholic School finally did it.


Why? Afraid she might compete with the priests?
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Postby Untaroicht » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:04 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:
One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

Heh, funny, because nowhere in that scripture does it say that women are explicitly prohibited from being ordained.


It only mention's men, and when they do mention women they are talking about the wives of clergymen.
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Postby Cosara » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:04 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Source on that? As an atheistic Episcopal, I take mild offense.


One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

That says that only men can be priests. It says nothing about women being in the clergy.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:04 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Source on that? As an atheistic Episcopal, I take mild offense.


One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

And in 1964 the Catholic Church renounced the charge of Deicide against the Jewish people, even though it is specifically warranted in Matthew 27:24-25.

Your point?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:04 pm

Cosara wrote:
Thoricia wrote:You know every time I see a story like this I imagine a bunch of religious homophobes standing around a huge hole going "Fuck that don't look near deep enough maybe we should keep digging"

Idiots.

So, you're an idiot for upholding your religious code? :eyebrow:


Well? She worked 19 years for the school. A small blurb in the paper about her mother's death mentioned it. She get's tossed.

So yes that's pretty fucking stupid.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:06 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Heh, funny, because nowhere in that scripture does it say that women are explicitly prohibited from being ordained.


It only mention's men, and when they do mention women they are talking about the wives of clergymen.

In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.

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Postby Untaroicht » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:06 pm

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Untaroicht wrote:
It only mention's men, and when they do mention women they are talking about the wives of clergymen.

In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.


In modern language, not 2000 years ago when the scriptures were written.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:08 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.


In modern language, not 2000 years ago when the scriptures were written.

If you read up on your Hagiography, you'll find that many early Church leaders were women.
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Postby Cosara » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:08 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:
It only mention's men, and when they do mention women they are talking about the wives of clergymen.

In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.

Well in the verse he mentioned, I don't think they meant that Aliens couldn't be Priests or Deacons. I think that verse limited the Priesthood to men, though no where (absolutely no where) does it every say that women cannot be in the clergy. It's a matter of placement of the words "men" and "man".
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Postby Untaroicht » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:09 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:
One example is how in Timothy 3:1-13, the scriptures outline the requirements for ordination, and states that only men may be priests or deacons, and yet it is not uncommon in the Episcopal church for there to women in the clergy.

It goes directly against the scriptures.

And in 1964 the Catholic Church renounced the charge of Deicide against the Jewish people, even though it is specifically warranted in Matthew 27:24-25.

Your point?


That passage does not mention the jews specifically, it was badly misinterpreted.

When looking at the context of Matthew’s Gospel (specifically, chapters 26 and 27) it is quite obvious that the entire Jewish race was not totally responsible for having Jesus crucified. Matthew 26 and 27 informs the reader that one individual and three distinct groups were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. They are Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus into the hands of the Jewish authorities (Matt. 26:14–16; 47–50); the Jewish leaders. This group was made up of Caiphas the High Priest, the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes. They united to form the Sanhedrin of Jerusalem which tried Jesus on the charge of blasphemy (Matt. 26:47, 57–67; 27:1–2, 5, 18, 25); the Romans, comprised of the Procurator Pontius Pilate who handed Jesus over to be crucified and the Roman soldiers who actually nailed Jesus to the cross (Matt. 27:11–37); the Jewish mob of Jerusalem. Though their role in Matthew 27 seems passive and subordinated under the control and influence of the chief priests and elders, their guilt in the death of Christ cannot be overlooked. They had the opportunity afforded them by Pilate to have Jesus released, but they chose instead a criminal named Barabbas
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Postby Cosara » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cosara wrote:So, you're an idiot for upholding your religious code? :eyebrow:


Well? She worked 19 years for the school. A small blurb in the paper about her mother's death mentioned it. She get's tossed.

So yes that's pretty fucking stupid.

I say they should have never hired her in the first place, and am just glad that they fired her.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:11 pm

Cosara wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:In modern language, "he" and "men" can be inferred to mean humanity as a whole. So no, the Episcopalian Church is not in violation.

Well in the verse he mentioned, I don't think they meant that Aliens couldn't be Priests or Deacons. I think that verse limited the Priesthood to men, though no where (absolutely no where) does it every say that women cannot be in the clergy. It's a matter of placement of the words "men" and "man".

What the actual fuck?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:13 pm

Cosara wrote:
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Well? She worked 19 years for the school. A small blurb in the paper about her mother's death mentioned it. She get's tossed.

So yes that's pretty fucking stupid.

I say they should have never hired her in the first place, and am just glad that they fired her.


Well after 19 years of students; I doubt any of them caught dagay disease.

I guess for Christians it really doesn't matter how good a teacher you are.

Glad to hear the lessons of love and tolerance are still being taught.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:13 pm

Untaroicht wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:And in 1964 the Catholic Church renounced the charge of Deicide against the Jewish people, even though it is specifically warranted in Matthew 27:24-25.

Your point?


That passage does not mention the jews specifically, it was badly misinterpreted.

When looking at the context of Matthew’s Gospel (specifically, chapters 26 and 27) it is quite obvious that the entire Jewish race was not totally responsible for having Jesus crucified. Matthew 26 and 27 informs the reader that one individual and three distinct groups were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. They are Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus into the hands of the Jewish authorities (Matt. 26:14–16; 47–50); the Jewish leaders. This group was made up of Caiphas the High Priest, the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes. They united to form the Sanhedrin of Jerusalem which tried Jesus on the charge of blasphemy (Matt. 26:47, 57–67; 27:1–2, 5, 18, 25); the Romans, comprised of the Procurator Pontius Pilate who handed Jesus over to be crucified and the Roman soldiers who actually nailed Jesus to the cross (Matt. 27:11–37); the Jewish mob of Jerusalem. Though their role in Matthew 27 seems passive and subordinated under the control and influence of the chief priests and elders, their guilt in the death of Christ cannot be overlooked. They had the opportunity afforded them by Pilate to have Jesus released, but they chose instead a criminal named Barabbas

Ah? So the infallible Catholic Church was wrong for 1600 years?

Good to know.
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