To All Who Hate Obama Personaly

[Dyakovo]

Ok, no policies. Personally.

Start with this

Throw in his refusal to wear the flag pin until the inauguration.

Oh god, a president that isn't a nationalist jerkoff. How terrible.

It's disrespectful. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. A president that idolizes communist revolutionaries. That's worrisome.

Proof of him idolizing communist revolutionaries?

[Dyakovo]

In his own words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDTluWDUBEY

It seems he really only said he wanted to distance himself from the Establishment when he was younger, whats the BFD? I mean unless you love the Establishment, Sibirsky. Honestly if he wasn't anti-establishment as a youngster I would be concerned, myself.

He is a Marxist. Half his administration, combined with those words from his book prove it.

How is someone who is center-right a marxist?

[Krazniastan]

How is someone who is center-right a marxist?

Obama portraying himself as a centrist is one of the most successful propaganda campaigns in the past 50 years. . .

[Takaram]

How is someone who is center-right a marxist?

Obama portraying himself as a centrist is one of the most successful propaganda campaigns in the past 50 years. . .

Well, he obviously hasn't pulled the wool over your eyes. Please, enlighten us, or great political guru.

[Dyakovo]

How is someone who is center-right a marxist?

Obama portraying himself as a centrist is one of the most successful propaganda campaigns in the past 50 years. . .

Based on how he has voted while in the senate he is center-right. You and Sibirsky apparently aren't terribly familiar with the tenets of Marxism.

[Gauthier]

How is someone who is center-right a marxist?

Obama portraying himself as a centrist is one of the most successful propaganda campaigns in the past 50 years. . .

Based on how he has voted while in the senate he is center-right. You and Sibirsky apparently aren't terribly familiar with the tenets of Marxism.

Randroids not familiar with Marxism? Shocker.

[Krazniastan]

Well, he obviously hasn't pulled the wool over your eyes. Please, enlighten us, or great political guru.

Why bother? You'll dismiss any point I try to make, and then make some attempt to belittle me in an attempt to make yourself appear superior.

[Goath]

Well, he obviously hasn't pulled the wool over your eyes. Please, enlighten us, or great political guru.

Why bother? You'll dismiss any point I try to make, and then make some attempt to belittle me in an attempt to make yourself appear superior.

Then you're just making shit up because you don't like President Obama.

No, please, make a point- show us how Obama, who's voting record we can all see, is a Marxist.

[Takaram]

Well, he obviously hasn't pulled the wool over your eyes. Please, enlighten us, or great political guru.

Why bother? You'll dismiss any point I try to make, and then make some attempt to belittle me in an attempt to make yourself appear superior.

In other words you don't have any arguments, so you are attempting to brush it off as a futile effort while at the same time attempting to belittle me. I'm hurt, truely.

[Krazniastan]

Based on how he has voted while in the senate he is center-right.

its called the 'safe road'. Most Junior Senators do something similar.

You and Sibirsky apparently aren't terribly familiar with the tenets of Marxism.

Apparently your definition differs from mine, oh great expert. Enlighten me. I could use the laugh. . .

[Bavin]

Based on how he has voted while in the senate he is center-right.

its called the 'safe road'. Most Junior Senators do something similar.

You and Sibirsky apparently aren't terribly familiar with the tenets of Marxism.

Apparently your definition differs from mine, oh great expert. Enlighten me. I could use the laugh. . .[/quote]
Would this constitute a flame/flamebait?

[Goath]

Based on how he has voted while in the senate he is center-right.

its called the 'safe road'. Most Junior Senators do something similar.

You and Sibirsky apparently aren't terribly familiar with the tenets of Marxism.

Apparently your definition differs from mine, oh great expert. Enlighten me. I could use the laugh. . .

A very simple definition of Marxism is:

the system of economic and political thought developed by Karl Marx, along with Friedrich Engels, esp. the doctrine that the state throughout history has been a device for the exploitation of the masses by a dominant class, that class struggle has been the main agency of historical change, and that the capitalist system, containing from the first the seeds of its own decay, will inevitably, after the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, be superseded by a socialist order and a classless society.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marxism

Please, tell me, which part of that philosophy does the President of the United States partake in? To be a Marxist he'd have to actively support each element...and I wonder where you heard him talk about his desire for a violent overthrow of the government by the works followed by a temporary dictatorship before the onset of nationalize everything...

Oh? You mean the president hasn't ever said he wanted to do any of those things? oh...then how is he a marxist?

[Dyakovo]

Based on how he has voted while in the senate he is center-right.

its called the 'safe road'. Most Junior Senators do something similar.

You and Sibirsky apparently aren't terribly familiar with the tenets of Marxism.

Apparently your definition differs from mine, oh great expert. Enlighten me. I could use the laugh. . .

I'm hardly an expert on Marx, although I have at least read some of his works.

Here though are the three main tenets of Marxism:
1. The dialectical and materialist concept of history — Humankind's history is fundamentally that of the struggle between social classes. The productive capacity of society is the foundation of society, and as this capacity increases over time the social relations of production, class relations, evolve through this struggle of the classes and pass through definite stages (primitive communism, slavery, feudalism, capitalism). The legal, political, ideological and other aspects (ex. art) of society are derived from these production relations as is the consciousness of the individuals of which the society is composed.
2. The critique of capitalism — In capitalist society, an economic minority (the bourgeoisie) dominate and exploit the working class (proletariat) majority. Marx uncovered the interworkings of capitalist exploitation, the specific way in which unpaid labor (surplus value) is extracted from the working class labor theory of value, extending and critiquing the work of earlier political economists value. Although the production process is socialized, ownership remains in the hand of the bourgeosie. This forms the fundamental contradiction of capitalist society. Without the elimination of the fetter of the private ownership of the means of production, human society is unable to achieve further development.
3. Advocacy of proletarian revolution — In order to overcome the fetters of private property the working class must seize political power internationally through a social revolution and expropriate the capitalist classes around the world and place the productive capacities of society into collective ownership. Upon this material foundation classes would be abolished and the material basis for all forms of inequality between humankind would dissolve.

[Bunyippie]

Well, he obviously hasn't pulled the wool over your eyes. Please, enlighten us, or great political guru.

Why bother? You'll dismiss any point I try to make, and then make some attempt to belittle me in an attempt to make yourself appear superior.

from the way you are using that word, me thinks you know not what marxism is. Go read the communist manifesto and then come back and try again.

[Gauthier]

Well, he obviously hasn't pulled the wool over your eyes. Please, enlighten us, or great political guru.

Why bother? You'll dismiss any point I try to make, and then make some attempt to belittle me in an attempt to make yourself appear superior.

from the way you are using that word, me thinks you know not what marxism is. Go read the communist manifesto and then come back and try again.

He probably has the Theme Park version of Communism in mind, where everyone dresses up in red and brown furs and calls everyone "Comrade".

[Bavin]

Well, he obviously hasn't pulled the wool over your eyes. Please, enlighten us, or great political guru.

Why bother? You'll dismiss any point I try to make, and then make some attempt to belittle me in an attempt to make yourself appear superior.

from the way you are using that word, me thinks you know not what marxism is. Go read the communist manifesto and then come back and try again.

He probably has the Theme Park version of Communism in mind, where everyone dresses up in red and brown furs and calls everyone "Comrade.

I would pay to go there. I can see it already, Marxi Land! Over here is the Dueling Coaster, with Trotsky and Stalin, and over there is the Lenin Shot-Tower, and over there...

[Gauthier]

Well, he obviously hasn't pulled the wool over your eyes. Please, enlighten us, or great political guru.

Why bother? You'll dismiss any point I try to make, and then make some attempt to belittle me in an attempt to make yourself appear superior.

from the way you are using that word, me thinks you know not what marxism is. Go read the communist manifesto and then come back and try again.

He probably has the Theme Park version of Communism in mind, where everyone dresses up in red and brown furs and calls everyone "Comrade.

I would pay to go there. I can see it already, Marxi Land! Over here is the Dueling Coaster, with Trotsky and Stalin, and over there is the Lenin Shot-Tower, and over there...

And don't forget the daily Parade through Red Square!

[Island sodor]

HA you people will never understand, LONG LIVE COMRADE OBAMA!!!

[Dyakovo]

HA you people will never understand, LONG LIVE COMRADE OBAMA!!!

[Bavin]

HA you people will never understand, LONG LIVE COMRADE OBAMA!!!

Gah! My computer problems must have erased my collection of threadbombs! To Google!

[Krazniastan]

I just realized I haven't made the claim that Obama is a marxist in this thread. . . . (Its late, and Alcohol has been involved. . . )

So could someone, pray tell, explain to me why I'm under attack for a comparison I haven't made?

[Dyakovo]

I just realized I haven't made the claim that Obama is a marxist in this thread. . . .

True, you haven't done so directly, but you did imply it.

[Soyut]

I don;t like Obama. He doubled the national debt. He banned flavored cigarettes, which is a very fascist thing to do, i.e. forcing his system of values on other people. Plus I think his healthcare plan is retarded, but I won't get into that. And please do not label me a republican just because I don't like Obama. He is much better than Bush.

[Bavin]

I don;t like Obama. He doubled the national debt. He banned flavored cigarettes, which is a very fascist thing to do, i.e. forcing his system of values on other people. Plus I think his healthcare plan is retarded, but I won't get into that. And please do not label me a republican just because I don't like Obama. He is much better than Bush.

*proceeds to label*

Source on the debt claim?

[Bunyippie]

I don;t like Obama. He doubled the national debt. He banned flavored cigarettes, which is a very fascist thing to do, i.e. forcing his system of values on other people. Plus I think his healthcare plan is retarded, but I won't get into that. And please do not label me a republican just because I don't like Obama. He is much better than Bush.

A. He didn't double it, most of that came from Bush
2. he didn't, he gave the FDA power to regulate what goes into your cigs, like rat poison, and the FDA is looking into it to stop it from being marketed to kids.