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Will the British Government ever learn?

Postby Priory Academy USSR » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:32 pm

If you've been following British news recently, or, well, any time over the past few years, you'd have noticed that the British economy is in fairly deep trouble right now. Ever since the recession, it's been struggling to recover and even now it's still floundering around, still struggling to avoid further recession even today.

Many people are attributing this to the harsh austerity measures put in place by the Coalition.

This in itself isn't really news; austerity has been failing since day one. What I want to ask is, why are the Conservatives still pushing through with it?
Nearly 3 years on, and there still seems to be no sign of recovery. The deficit reduction plan isn't working, and neither, it seems, are any other government economic policies. They have me stumped.

NSG? Why is the government going ahead with its failing plan?
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Postby Supremastan » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:38 pm

The truth is it doesn't really matter anymore whether a policy works or not. The decisions of many politicians on the right and the left alike are based more on often centuries old ideologies than what actually works.
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Postby Chestaan » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:39 pm

The Conservatives aren't the best at admitting that they're wrong, even if their policies have screwed the economy.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:41 pm

And of course foreigners and bad weather will be blamed.

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Postby Coccygia » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:42 pm

Supremastan wrote:The truth is it doesn't really matter anymore whether a policy works or not. The decisions of many politicians on the right and the left alike are based more on often centuries old ideologies than what actually works.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:42 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:If you've been following British news recently, or, well, any time over the past few years, you'd have noticed that the British economy is in fairly deep trouble right now. Ever since the recession, it's been struggling to recover and even now it's still floundering around, still struggling to avoid further recession even today.

Many people are attributing this to the harsh austerity measures put in place by the Coalition.

This in itself isn't really news; austerity has been failing since day one. What I want to ask is, why are the Conservatives still pushing through with it?
Nearly 3 years on, and there still seems to be no sign of recovery. The deficit reduction plan isn't working, and neither, it seems, are any other government economic policies. They have me stumped.

NSG? Why is the government going ahead with its failing plan?

Because they don't want to become Greece. It is a well know fact of economics - one might almost say a Law - that when your debt exceeds 90% of your GDP everyone begins speaking Greek and eating spanakopita and drinking retsina and shouting "Hopa!" Really, you can look this up. How silly would people from Manchester and Birmingham and Burton-on-Trent look shouting "Hopa!"?
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:43 pm

Of course, austerity isn't working. It would be one thing if you were just cutting spending, but increasing taxes too? Talk about what not to do...

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Postby Coccygia » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:43 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:If you've been following British news recently, or, well, any time over the past few years, you'd have noticed that the British economy is in fairly deep trouble right now. Ever since the recession, it's been struggling to recover and even now it's still floundering around, still struggling to avoid further recession even today.

Many people are attributing this to the harsh austerity measures put in place by the Coalition.

This in itself isn't really news; austerity has been failing since day one. What I want to ask is, why are the Conservatives still pushing through with it?
Nearly 3 years on, and there still seems to be no sign of recovery. The deficit reduction plan isn't working, and neither, it seems, are any other government economic policies. They have me stumped.

NSG? Why is the government going ahead with its failing plan?

Because they don't want to become Greece. It is a well know fact of economics - one might almost say a Law - that when your debt exceeds 90% of your GDP everyone begins speaking Greek and eating spanakopita and drinking retsina and shouting "Hopa!" Really, you can look this up. How silly would people from Manchester and Birmingham and Burton-on-Trent look shouting "Hopa!"?

On the other hand think what a cute alphabet the UK would have.
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Postby Divair » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:44 pm

Because much like people, governments would rather continue doing something stupid rather than admit a mistake.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:44 pm

Napkiraly wrote:And of course foreigners and bad weather will be blamed.


I thought we were putting all of the blame on the scroungers now?
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:44 pm

Austerity should jsut be abandoned worldwide as a policy. Austerity doesn't achieve shit. It just makes everything worse. Which they then use to justify harsher austerity measures, thus the whole vicious cycle continues.
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Postby Urumgard » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:45 pm

http://labourlist.org/2012/12/some-things-george-osborne-has-said-about-the-aaa-credit-rating/

And now two credit agencies have downgraded the UK's credit rating.
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Postby Cosara » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:45 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:If you've been following British news recently, or, well, any time over the past few years, you'd have noticed that the British economy is in fairly deep trouble right now. Ever since the recession, it's been struggling to recover and even now it's still floundering around, still struggling to avoid further recession even today.

Many people are attributing this to the harsh austerity measures put in place by the Coalition.

This in itself isn't really news; austerity has been failing since day one. What I want to ask is, why are the Conservatives still pushing through with it?
Nearly 3 years on, and there still seems to be no sign of recovery. The deficit reduction plan isn't working, and neither, it seems, are any other government economic policies. They have me stumped.

NSG? Why is the government going ahead with its failing plan?

You only have to change 2 words and cross out 1 sentence, and this about describes the US Economy.
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Postby Forsakia » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:45 pm

You're cherry picking with your sources, iirc for example the rating agencies are complaining about the lack of austerity (government spending has been INCREASING over the past few years). Alongside that even the Labour party acknowledged the need for cuts.
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Postby Churchilland » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:46 pm

If you look at other countries like Greece, Spain and Cyprus then we're doing brilliantly, but notice this, they didn't have austerity until the last minute and now look. Indeed, Austerity isn't brilliant, but It's better than what's happening with those countries...
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:46 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:And of course foreigners and bad weather will be blamed.


I thought we were putting all of the blame on the scroungers now?

The government will go for the trifecta. Scrounger foreigners causing bad weather with their evil foreigner magik caused the economy to not recover.

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Postby The Whispers » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:46 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:NSG? Why is the government going ahead with its failing plan?

Two reasons:

- They know it will absolutely obliterate the Lib Dems' support base in the 2015 election.
- They're terrified that changing course will let the traders loose like Black Wednesday.

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Postby Urumgard » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:46 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:And of course foreigners and bad weather will be blamed.


I thought we were putting all of the blame on the scroungers now?

It's actually mainly because they've inherited a mess which was left by the previous Labour government. Come on guys! :p

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:46 pm

Urumgard wrote:http://labourlist.org/2012/12/some-things-george-osborne-has-said-about-the-aaa-credit-rating/

And now two credit agencies have downgraded the UK's credit rating.
If the convention of individual ministerial responsibility was actually followed, then Gideon should have by all rights resigned.


And, IIRC, Osbourne was originally basing his success in the economy on maintaining the AAA rating. it seems to have backfired now, though.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:47 pm

Napkiraly wrote:

The government will go for the trifecta. Scrounger foreigners causing bad weather with their evil foreigner magik caused the economy to not recover.


Seems legit. Does this mean if we do "Economic recovery dances" the economy will get better?
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:48 pm

Divair wrote:Because much like people, governments would rather continue doing something stupid rather than admit a mistake.

I've always wondered why governments don't admit they done goofed more often. I'd actually be more willing to give them another go if they admitted mistakes and had a plan on what they'd do differently.

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Postby Democratic Koyro » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:48 pm

Urumgard wrote:

It's actually mainly because they've inherited a mess which was left by the previous Labour government. Come on guys! :p


Everything can be blamed on Edward Heath. Everything bad that has ever happened after or indeed before the Heath Premiership.
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Postby Urumgard » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:48 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Urumgard wrote:http://labourlist.org/2012/12/some-things-george-osborne-has-said-about-the-aaa-credit-rating/

And now two credit agencies have downgraded the UK's credit rating.
If the convention of individual ministerial responsibility was actually followed, then Gideon should have by all rights resigned.


And, IIRC, Osbourne was originally basing his success in the economy on maintaining the AAA rating. it seems to have backfired now, though.

"George Osborne has said safeguarding the rating was his “first benchmark” and a “measure of success”. He has also warned that a credit rating downgrade would be “humiliating” and that it is “absolutely essential” that Britain does not have one."

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:48 pm

Forsakia wrote:You're cherry picking with your sources, iirc for example the rating agencies are complaining about the lack of austerity (government spending has been INCREASING over the past few years). Alongside that even the Labour party acknowledged the need for cuts.


I'm not doubting the necessity of some level of cutting. It's simply that the current solution is failing at the moment, yet the Conservatives don't want to admit that and try something different. Why is this?
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Postby Divair » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:49 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Divair wrote:Because much like people, governments would rather continue doing something stupid rather than admit a mistake.

I've always wondered why governments don't admit they done goofed more often. I'd actually be more willing to give them another go if they admitted mistakes and had a plan on what they'd do differently.

Admitting you fucked up is hard enough as an average person, if your entire political career rests upon whether or not you fuck up, it's even harder to admit you fucked up.

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