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Postby Luziyca » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:34 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:It's not the reason I don't eat McDonald's food. The reason is that they always put onions in my cheeseburgers. I think I have one more reason to avoid the food.

You can request "no pickles, no onions." They do so when requested most of the time. ;)
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:34 pm

Cetacea wrote:my son once came home with a chupachup lolipop (his grandmother bought it). I took it off him so he could eat his dinner and put it in a cup in the cupboard where it was promptly forgotten about. 4 months later we found it again in perfect condition, from that point on I banned chupachups since I agree if bacteria wont eat it than neither should we...

you do realize that would be true for any lollipop provided you kept it dry.
Crystalized sugar is rot proof as long as it is dry. Actually makes great emergency food because of this.
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Postby Asasia » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:36 pm

After seeing "Super size me", I quit eating at McDonald's. So if I wouldn't eat normal food, 100% Hell no for this!
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Postby Ainin » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:37 pm

I would not eat that. But still like my Double Bacon Cheeseburgers.
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Postby Imsogone » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:09 pm

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Not from McDonald's at any rate. It's not like you can't get salad, or parfait from say... EVERYWHERE ELSE! :p


Your prejudice prevents you from enjoying healthful affordable food.
McDonald's is good nutritious honest food and beats its competition all hollow for value.
Liberals kick it around because it represents what they hate: popularity, accessibility, affordability, something that is not trendy clique smart like Whole Foods (who can afford it?).
Let people live life and eat wholesome affordable meals. Stop treating this as if it is some sort of crime.


Why does everyone rag on Whole Foods? Yes, there are some things there that are more expensive than you would find at King Soopers, but there are things that are less expensive, too. I can get eggs at Whole Foods for an average of a$1.00/dozen less than at King Soopers - free range, organic eggs no less. The same holds true for butter - at Whole Foods it's @ $.75 a pound less than elsewhere. The quality of food is, overall, better (though King Soopers is improving. And I've actually discovered that Safeway is, overall, more expensive than Whole Foods. Of course, if you are adamantly against shopping at Whole Foods, you can always shop at Sprouts (same general sort of store but somewhat less expensive).

As for McDonald's, yes, I know they have healthy options on their menu, but you know that most people who eat there aren't opting for the healthy stuff. I've tried their salads, their yogurt parfaits and their apple slices in lieu of french fries. It doesn't taste good - greens are usually wilted, chicken is skimpy and dry, the parfaits are tolerable but the apple slices are mushy and suffering from cold storage syndrome.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:10 pm

Imsogone wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
Your prejudice prevents you from enjoying healthful affordable food.
McDonald's is good nutritious honest food and beats its competition all hollow for value.
Liberals kick it around because it represents what they hate: popularity, accessibility, affordability, something that is not trendy clique smart like Whole Foods (who can afford it?).
Let people live life and eat wholesome affordable meals. Stop treating this as if it is some sort of crime.


Why does everyone rag on Whole Foods?


because most organic foods are neither healthier nor better for the environment?
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Postby Imsogone » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:18 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Imsogone wrote:
Why does everyone rag on Whole Foods?


because most organic foods are neither healthier nor better for the environment?


Some organic foods are neither healthier or better for the environment. If systemic pesticides were used, then organic is healther. If surface pesticides were used on produce that you peel before eating or were grown underground - like potatos - then you really shouldn't buy the organic option. But really, when you're dealing with various chemicals on and in foods that you're feeding to children, organic is a safer option. And, given the issues we are having with antibiotic resistent bacteria, do you want to feed your children meat that's been treated with antibiotics - or meat treated with growth hormone? It is correct to state that organic is not always the best choice, but it is frequently the better choice.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:43 pm

Imsogone wrote:
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because most organic foods are neither healthier nor better for the environment?


Some organic foods are neither healthier or better for the environment. If systemic pesticides were used, then organic is healther. If surface pesticides were used on produce that you peel before eating or were grown underground - like potatos - then you really shouldn't buy the organic option. But really, when you're dealing with various chemicals on and in foods that you're feeding to children, organic is a safer option.

1. all food are chemicals
2. pesticides and fertilizers are still used on organic foods.
3. organic foods require vastly more land to produce, use more water, and require greater shipping and thus more pollution.
organic is not the same thing as sustainable, in fact organic is almost always less sustainable.

And, given the issues we are having with antibiotic resistant bacteria, do you want to feed your children meat that's been treated with antibiotics - or meat treated with growth hormone?

there are plenty that use neither that are not organic.
antibiotics are fine if used for treatment and not spectrum coverage.
growth hormones are harmless, meat already contains large quantities of hormones all of which are broken down in digestion unless the child is a infant, in which case you should not be feeding them cow milk to begin with.
Hormone usage, however, should be discouraged in favor of genetic modification.

irradiation SHOULD be used on foods, and most organic food is already genetically modified. Not to mention that we should be genetically modifying our food further, so we can make it even more sustainable.

It is correct to state that organic is not always the best choice, but it is frequently the better choice.

actually it is rarely the best choice.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:06 pm

Imsogone wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:
Your prejudice prevents you from enjoying healthful affordable food.
McDonald's is good nutritious honest food and beats its competition all hollow for value.
Liberals kick it around because it represents what they hate: popularity, accessibility, affordability, something that is not trendy clique smart like Whole Foods (who can afford it?).
Let people live life and eat wholesome affordable meals. Stop treating this as if it is some sort of crime.


Why does everyone rag on Whole Foods? Yes, there are some things there that are more expensive than you would find at King Soopers, but there are things that are less expensive, too. I can get eggs at Whole Foods for an average of a$1.00/dozen less than at King Soopers - free range, organic eggs no less. The same holds true for butter - at Whole Foods it's @ $.75 a pound less than elsewhere. The quality of food is, overall, better (though King Soopers is improving. And I've actually discovered that Safeway is, overall, more expensive than Whole Foods. Of course, if you are adamantly against shopping at Whole Foods, you can always shop at Sprouts (same general sort of store but somewhat less expensive).

As for McDonald's, yes, I know they have healthy options on their menu, but you know that most people who eat there aren't opting for the healthy stuff. I've tried their salads, their yogurt parfaits and their apple slices in lieu of french fries. It doesn't taste good - greens are usually wilted, chicken is skimpy and dry, the parfaits are tolerable but the apple slices are mushy and suffering from cold storage syndrome.


I went to Safeway and Whole Foods and the prices almost gave me a heart attack. Double to triple for many items I could buy at Aldis. Of course the Aldis was in Indiana and the Safeway/Whole Foods were in San Francisco. Not sure if that makes a big difference or not.

If it does make a big difference than I can't see why anybody making less than $60,000 a year would live in San Francisco.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:07 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
First hamburger had sliced bread:


yes sliced rolls with pine nuts, it was also made in ancient Rome alongside stuffed door mice.

http://www.celtnet.org.uk/recipes/roman/fetch-recipe.php?rid=roman-iscia-omentata


Oh, this goes against what I learned about the first hamburger. Interesting.
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Postby Alimprad » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:10 pm

if absoloutly nothing has changed about due to ageing (and I wasnt a vegetarian) then yes, though its obviously went stale or something so no.
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Postby Aeken » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:14 pm

No! :p

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Postby SaintB » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:40 pm

Well, McDonalds is not where I go when I crave healthy foods anyway.
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Postby Ironrite » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:45 pm

Does it look like the fluffed up ones on TV now. Cuz if so, I will take it.. Sick of these horrible mushed together burgers. Appearance is everything people!
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Postby Dakran » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:46 pm

Asasia wrote:After seeing "Super size me", I quit eating at McDonald's. So if I wouldn't eat normal food, 100% Hell no for this!


I remember watching that in my 6th grade class. After the animation, I swore off Chicken Nuggets. Didn't last long. nomnomnom
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Postby Dracoria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:51 pm

The Emperor Fenix wrote:http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/11/the-burger-lab-revisiting-the-myth-of-the-12-year-old-burger-testing-results.html

This story comes up all the time but, forgive me, doesn't pass the smell test.


I'd always kind of assumed it was something along the lines of the conclusion presented in your link. McDonald's hamburgers are a bit dry as is, and I've encountered rock-hard buns and meat from other sources in the past.

So, yeah, I wouldn't eat a 14 year old sandwich, as even without mold it has likely suffered from bacterial decomposition to some extent prior to total dessication. Not to mention dust and such settling on it. However, I would eat a fresh one.
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:12 am

Sociobiology wrote:
Cetacea wrote:my son once came home with a chupachup lolipop (his grandmother bought it). I took it off him so he could eat his dinner and put it in a cup in the cupboard where it was promptly forgotten about. 4 months later we found it again in perfect condition, from that point on I banned chupachups since I agree if bacteria wont eat it than neither should we...

you do realize that would be true for any lollipop provided you kept it dry.
Crystalized sugar is rot proof as long as it is dry. Actually makes great emergency food because of this.


yes and if it was dry sugar I wouldnt mind. This was a saliva coated lolipop that had been taken out of the mouth of a healthy but grubby 6 year old and then left uncovered in a cupboard.

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Postby Dracoria » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:39 am

Cetacea wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:you do realize that would be true for any lollipop provided you kept it dry.
Crystalized sugar is rot proof as long as it is dry. Actually makes great emergency food because of this.


yes and if it was dry sugar I wouldnt mind. This was a saliva coated lolipop that had been taken out of the mouth of a healthy but grubby 6 year old and then left uncovered in a cupboard.


Even wet sugar like that is likely at too high a concentration to allow mold growth. Probably most bacterial growth as well, though such would be harder to notice.
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Postby Goal » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:04 am

This reminded of an ice-cream i bought once, and was holding for like 40 minutes and it didn't even start melting. And yeah the day was hot. of course it tasted like shit.

Personally i got annoyed by just seeing that, not only because it can't get mold but because it's such a silly stupid thing. Just look at that shitty burger. How thin and pressed it is and that fake looking small bun. It's so annoying how this things have twisted the eating sense out of people on what is actually a good burger.
I remember in my country before this shit came. We had real big buns like the ones you bought from the bakery, and nice thick meaty burgers. Then this shit came from Amurica and threw ten tones of advertizements on TV and everywhere took the customers from the local burger makers and now every youngling thinks this is how burgers taste like.
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Postby Winland » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:15 am

If you are what you eat, then McDonald's burgers should make us invincible, or at least cease aging.
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Postby Ljvonia » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:10 am

The only reason I entered a McDonalds in the last ten years was to take a leak, and it's likely to stay that way.
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Postby DogDoo 7 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:20 am

Goal wrote:This reminded of an ice-cream i bought once, and was holding for like 40 minutes and it didn't even start melting. And yeah the day was hot. of course it tasted like shit.

Personally i got annoyed by just seeing that, not only because it can't get mold but because it's such a silly stupid thing. Just look at that shitty burger. How thin and pressed it is and that fake looking small bun. It's so annoying how this things have twisted the eating sense out of people on what is actually a good burger.
I remember in my country before this shit came. We had real big buns like the ones you bought from the bakery, and nice thick meaty burgers. Then this shit came from Amurica and threw ten tones of advertizements on TV and everywhere took the customers from the local burger makers and now every youngling thinks this is how burgers taste like.


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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:30 am

Goal wrote:This reminded of an ice-cream i bought once, and was holding for like 40 minutes and it didn't even start melting. And yeah the day was hot. of course it tasted like shit.

Personally i got annoyed by just seeing that, not only because it can't get mold but because it's such a silly stupid thing. Just look at that shitty burger. How thin and pressed it is and that fake looking small bun. It's so annoying how this things have twisted the eating sense out of people on what is actually a good burger.
I remember in my country before this shit came. We had real big buns like the ones you bought from the bakery, and nice thick meaty burgers. Then this shit came from Amurica and threw ten tones of advertizements on TV and everywhere took the customers from the local burger makers and now every youngling thinks this is how burgers taste like.

Dude, get off your arse, walk down to your corner shop. Or better yet, walk down to your local pub. Fast food hasn't killed the burger any more than instant coffee killed coffee.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:51 am

Ifreann wrote:I would have eaten it 14 years ago. Not sure why I should be afraid of food that doesn't rot.


in 14 years i have rotted qyuite a bit. i dont want my food ougher than me.
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Postby Dracoria » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:06 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I would have eaten it 14 years ago. Not sure why I should be afraid of food that doesn't rot.


in 14 years i have rotted qyuite a bit. i dont want my food ougher than me.


If you've been rotting, you may need to see a doctor.
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