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Postby South east asia unification » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:31 pm

am actually i;m not an adlult yet :p but i do agrgee with this kind of child discipline

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Postby South east asia unification » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:32 pm

um actually i'm not an aldult yet :p but i do agrgee with this kind of child discipline

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Postby NERVUN » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:32 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:"Love your kid and don't be the one that hurts them intentionally" was the best advice I ever received. Everyone parents differently and there is no one answer. But that doesn't mean that there aren't guidelines about what is best for kids. For instance, I once saw a mother feeding her 11 month old a plate of french fries. Just no. No no no. Not baby food.


Yes, I can agree french fries was DEFINITELY a bad idea there. Not baby food indeed.

However, in terms of discipline and how you want to raise your kids, it all depends on who you want them to be. And I think loving your children and not harming them or putting them in harm's way is essential. I can tell you that I would, without a doubt, take a bullet for one of my sons if need be. I want to be a good parent and have good children. However, I can't say I know how to raise a child because I have never been a parent myself and I don't plan to until I become financially stable enough to provide for them.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:33 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:"Love your kid and don't be the one that hurts them intentionally" was the best advice I ever received. Everyone parents differently and there is no one answer. But that doesn't mean that there aren't guidelines about what is best for kids. For instance, I once saw a mother feeding her 11 month old a plate of french fries. Just no. No no no. Not baby food.


Yes, I can agree french fries was DEFINITELY a bad idea there. Not baby food indeed.

However, in terms of discipline and how you want to raise your kids, it all depends on who you want them to be. And I think loving your children and not harming them is essential. I can tell you that I would, without a doubt, take a bullet for one of my sons if need be. I want to be a good parent and have good children. However, I can't say I know how to raise a child because I have never been a parent myself.

I understand what you're saying but I also think there is a parenting myth. Like I feel the need in these types of discussions to mention that I am in fact a parent but really my views on parenting haven't changed all that much from the way I am now to the way I was before my kid was born.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:43 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Yes, I can agree french fries was DEFINITELY a bad idea there. Not baby food indeed.

However, in terms of discipline and how you want to raise your kids, it all depends on who you want them to be. And I think loving your children and not harming them is essential. I can tell you that I would, without a doubt, take a bullet for one of my sons if need be. I want to be a good parent and have good children. However, I can't say I know how to raise a child because I have never been a parent myself.

I understand what you're saying but I also think there is a parenting myth. Like I feel the need in these types of discussions to mention that I am in fact a parent but really my views on parenting haven't changed all that much from the way I am now to the way I was before my kid was born.


I suppose you could be right.

I just don't want to fall into hubris and think I know everything about parenting and then I'll confront a situation with my children I won't be able to handle because of it. Better to be humble than boastful in my opinion when it comes to me and the future when I probably will have kids. Trust me, I am far more scared of guiding my children wrong than they being rebellious xD. I can take an unruly bunch, but I wouldn't be able to put up with myself if I raise them wrong.
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Postby NERVUN » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:52 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:I understand what you're saying but I also think there is a parenting myth. Like I feel the need in these types of discussions to mention that I am in fact a parent but really my views on parenting haven't changed all that much from the way I am now to the way I was before my kid was born.


I suppose you could be right.

I just don't want to fall into hubris and think I know everything about parenting and then I'll confront a situation with my children I won't be able to handle because of it. Better to be humble than boastful in my opinion when it comes to me and the future when I probably will have kids. Trust me, I am far more scared of guiding my children wrong than they being rebellious xD. I can take an unruly bunch, but I wouldn't be able to put up with myself if I raise them wrong.

I don't think you'll have much to worry about.
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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:11 am

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
I understand, which is why I don't think being authoritarian and putting them a step back is necessarily a bad thing. You can always explain later why you made the decision, but sometimes you have to make decisions on the fly. My dad knows, he has had to deal with 6 teenagers.

Depends on the situation and the age of the kid. "Because I said so" doesn't work as well with older kids in non-harmful situations.

Yeah but because I say so is typically wrong in more complex situations.What many parents need to realize that doing things their way is only one good(or sometimes even bad) way out of thousand possible solutions.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:16 am

I live in a rather crunchy area, and the hip young parents in our neck of the woods are currently all about Attachment Parenting. This is where you wear your baby in a sling all the time, you co-sleep with the kids in the bed, you breastfeed until the kids are well into toddlerhood or beyond, and you refrain from "forcing" your children to perform manners or other things because it will repress their delicate selves.

For anybody who watches Big Bang Theory, the actress who plays Amy Farrah Fowler is all about this style of parenting: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/ ... ah-fowler/.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:20 am

Bottle wrote:I live in a rather crunchy area, and the hip young parents in our neck of the woods are currently all about Attachment Parenting. This is where you wear your baby in a sling all the time, you co-sleep with the kids in the bed, you breastfeed until the kids are well into toddlerhood or beyond, and you refrain from "forcing" your children to perform manners or other things because it will repress their delicate selves.

For anybody who watches Big Bang Theory, the actress who plays Amy Farrah Fowler is all about this style of parenting: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/ ... ah-fowler/.


Yet another reason not to watch that show.

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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:21 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
It doesn't work. It does imprint a message, but that message is "it's OK to hit people if you're bigger and older than them".


Wrong.

The child is an inferior to the parents, it is their place to obey the more knowledgeable and more intelligent parents.

Seriously? I'm 19 but I am more cultured and more intelligent than the majority of all adults I have ever met.
Yes, I can thank this to my parents but they never treated me as inferior.
You could argue that the parent has experience, but one needs significant intelligence, and wisdom which is not age related at all in my experience, to make sense and learn from experience.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:52 am

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Bottle wrote:I live in a rather crunchy area, and the hip young parents in our neck of the woods are currently all about Attachment Parenting. This is where you wear your baby in a sling all the time, you co-sleep with the kids in the bed, you breastfeed until the kids are well into toddlerhood or beyond, and you refrain from "forcing" your children to perform manners or other things because it will repress their delicate selves.

For anybody who watches Big Bang Theory, the actress who plays Amy Farrah Fowler is all about this style of parenting: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/ ... ah-fowler/.


Yet another reason not to watch that show.

I tried watching it when that actress joined, because I knew from somewhere that she has a Neuroscience PhD and thought that was cool. It turns out that I don't like the show for completely unrelated reasons. But I was further disappointed to learn that the actress is heavily into woo.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:55 am

Bottle wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
Yet another reason not to watch that show.

I tried watching it when that actress joined, because I knew from somewhere that she has a Neuroscience PhD and thought that was cool. It turns out that I don't like the show for completely unrelated reasons. But I was further disappointed to learn that the actress is heavily into woo.

"Woo"?

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Postby Khadgar » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:56 am

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Bottle wrote:I tried watching it when that actress joined, because I knew from somewhere that she has a Neuroscience PhD and thought that was cool. It turns out that I don't like the show for completely unrelated reasons. But I was further disappointed to learn that the actress is heavily into woo.

"Woo"?


James Randi's favorite term to describe your average psuedoscience bullshit. Crystal healing, homeopathy, dousing, ESP, telekinesis, basically anything that has no basis in reality.

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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:57 am

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The Truth and Light wrote:"Woo"?


James Randi's favorite term to describe your average psuedoscience bullshit. Crystal healing, homeopathy, dousing, ESP, telekinesis, basically anything that has no basis in reality.

Oh Jayzus. I can't believe she has a neuroscience PhD yet she's into that crap.

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The Truth and Light wrote:
Bottle wrote:I tried watching it when that actress joined, because I knew from somewhere that she has a Neuroscience PhD and thought that was cool. It turns out that I don't like the show for completely unrelated reasons. But I was further disappointed to learn that the actress is heavily into woo.

"Woo"?

Quackery. Hokum. Homeopathy. Hippy-dippy crap.

Basically the naturalistic fallacy as a lifestyle.
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The Truth and Light wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
James Randi's favorite term to describe your average psuedoscience bullshit. Crystal healing, homeopathy, dousing, ESP, telekinesis, basically anything that has no basis in reality.

Oh Jayzus. I can't believe she has a neuroscience PhD yet she's into that crap.

Sadly, I can.

The majority of the woo-obsessed folks in the USA are more educated than average, because educated people are more inclined to put too much stock in their own intellects. This is what you see from the parents who are quite sure that their Web MD "research" qualifies them to overrule their pediatrician's diagnoses, or the parents who believe their degree from Google University puts them on equal footing with researchers in any field. These parents will typically hold up their degrees in unrelated fields as proof of their intelligence whenever they are challenged on their incorrect beliefs in any particular subject area.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:06 am

Bottle wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Oh Jayzus. I can't believe she has a neuroscience PhD yet she's into that crap.

Sadly, I can.

The majority of the woo-obsessed folks in the USA are more educated than average, because educated people are more inclined to put too much stock in their own intellects. This is what you see from the parents who are quite sure that their Web MD "research" qualifies them to overrule their pediatrician's diagnoses, or the parents who believe their degree from Google University puts them on equal footing with researchers in any field. These parents will typically hold up their degrees in unrelated fields as proof of their intelligence whenever they are challenged on their incorrect beliefs in any particular subject area.

It's funny, because as I was reading your description I automatically thought, yep, I know people just like that.

It still boggles my mind though, the way a person can discard common sense and professional opinions just because this other crap makes them feel better. I think it plays into a sense of narcissism and controlling behavior.

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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:07 am

Bottle wrote:I live in a rather crunchy area, and the hip young parents in our neck of the woods are currently all about Attachment Parenting. This is where you wear your baby in a sling all the time, you co-sleep with the kids in the bed, you breastfeed until the kids are well into toddlerhood or beyond, and you refrain from "forcing" your children to perform manners or other things because it will repress their delicate selves.

For anybody who watches Big Bang Theory, the actress who plays Amy Farrah Fowler is all about this style of parenting: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/ ... ah-fowler/.

I'm into baby wearing, unschooling, and breastfeeding (there are important benefits, and it's also religiously recommended.) but there's a line I draw at co-sleeping and not teaching kids manners.
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Postby Kilobugya » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:11 am

Corporal punishment is not only barbarian and cruel, but is also proven to be non efficient, and to create long-lasting problems in children, including, but not limited to, higher aggressivity and lower ability to prefer a (better) long-term reward to a (smaller) short-term reward.

It should be legally considered what it is : assault. Using physical violence to voluntarily inflict on someone who is weaker just doesn't have any room in any decent, civilized, society.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:12 am

Kilobugya wrote:Corporal punishment is not only barbarian and cruel, but is also proven to be non efficient, and to create long-lasting problems in children, including, but not limited to, higher aggressivity and lower ability to prefer a (better) long-term reward to a (smaller) short-term reward.

It should be legally considered what it is : assault. Using physical violence to voluntarily inflict on someone who is weaker just doesn't have any room in any decent, civilized, society.

This is essentially my opinion.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:48 am

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Bottle wrote:I live in a rather crunchy area, and the hip young parents in our neck of the woods are currently all about Attachment Parenting. This is where you wear your baby in a sling all the time, you co-sleep with the kids in the bed, you breastfeed until the kids are well into toddlerhood or beyond, and you refrain from "forcing" your children to perform manners or other things because it will repress their delicate selves.

For anybody who watches Big Bang Theory, the actress who plays Amy Farrah Fowler is all about this style of parenting: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/ ... ah-fowler/.

I'm into baby wearing, unschooling, and breastfeeding (there are important benefits, and it's also religiously recommended.) but there's a line I draw at co-sleeping and not teaching kids manners.

I think that having a baby and having a life shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
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Postby Spiritwolf » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:17 am

No one is going to tell me I cannot spank my child if I feel it is warranted. That's a FACT. ;)

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Postby Ovisterra » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:19 am

Spiritwolf wrote:No one is going to tell me I cannot spank my child if I feel it is warranted. That's a FACT. ;)


Uh, no, I'm doing it right now, actually. So it's not a fact. You don't have to listen, but saying it's not going to be said is just silly. And wrong.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:10 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:I'm into baby wearing, unschooling, and breastfeeding (there are important benefits, and it's also religiously recommended.) but there's a line I draw at co-sleeping and not teaching kids manners.

I think that having a baby and having a life shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

Yep. Realistically speaking it's virtually always the mother who has to give up her life and career in order to wear/breastfeed/school the offspring, and, well, fuck that. If I wanted to bow to conventional sexism, I would just do it without feeling compelled to paint New Agey crap all over it. At least if you go full-on June Cleaver you don't have to give up eating dairy or wear hemp all the time.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:11 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:No one is going to tell me I cannot spank my child if I feel it is warranted. That's a FACT. ;)

You do not have the unfettered right to hit your child. I encourage you to avoid testing the law on this subject, since you'll probably fuck up your own life in addition to alienating your child.
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