Child Discipline

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Then why do you think you'll make a good parent?

I don't. You said I shouldn't become a teacher.

Fairly certain you can't belt kids in either discipline.

Not in tutoring, that's other people's kids, it's the parents' job to discipline them not mine.

Submission to authority breeds more submission to authority.

Not necessarily, I was raised in a household with a clear hierarchy. Yet, I'm not extremely submissive, and I can be outright rebellious if there is need for it.

You aren't a teacher. You're a tutor.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

No, it's not, but you still have to listen to them and explain why they're wrong. And being "authoritarian" about it isn't the way to go either.

I agree being authoritarian isn't the best method, but sometimes it's a necessary evil to keep some order.

I agree you should give an explanation whenever you can, but I personally would not tolerate being questioned by my own children. I would listen to their concerns, but I would not have them questioning my authority as their father, same as I would not tolerate them questioning their mother's authority on them.

Questioning is a GOOD thing!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Submission to authority breeds more submission to authority.

Depends on how the parents teach them who is valid authority and who isn't.

I was taught to respect authority from my parents, and I do, but my standard of measuring a person's authority over me is based on their competence. In general a person has to be more knowledgeable than I am at whatever I am doing to accept their authority, otherwise I can be quite rebellious.

[Fiscal]

I was spanked, and I will spank my child. I had my hand slapped, and I will slap my child's hand.

'Nuff said for me.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I agree being authoritarian isn't the best method, but sometimes it's a necessary evil to keep some order.

I agree you should give an explanation whenever you can, but I personally would not tolerate being questioned by my own children. I would listen to their concerns, but I would not have them questioning my authority as their father, same as I would not tolerate them questioning their mother's authority on them.

Questioning is a GOOD thing!

SOMETIMES! One thing is questioning unreasonable orders and pointing them out, but another different thing is questioning for the hell of it, which is what I meant by "questioning".

Surely, as a teacher you wouldn't have your students question your authority as a teacher just for the hell of it now would you?

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Questioning is a GOOD thing!

SOMETIMES! One thing is questioning unreasonable orders and pointing them out, but another different thing is questioning for the hell of it.

It shows that they are thinking, and you should always let them express their feelings and thoughts, and then calmly tell them why things are the way they are.

[Frisbeeteria]

well fuck you spelling nazi

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[Zweite Alaje]

I don't. You said I shouldn't become a teacher.


Not in tutoring, that's other people's kids, it's the parents' job to discipline them not mine.


Not necessarily, I was raised in a household with a clear hierarchy. Yet, I'm not extremely submissive, and I can be outright rebellious if there is need for it.

You aren't a teacher. You're a tutor.

Was a tutor. But it is basically teaching.

[Vazdania]

I disagree with violating a child's bodily sovereignty, therefore I disagree with 'beatings.'

I disagree with beatings because they teach them nothing. It just makes them more resilient to beatings and you have to increase the amount of pain each and every time, which is not right and again, it teaches nothing to the child.

It's additive reinforcement.

[Threlizdun]

I was spanked, and I will spank my child. I had my hand slapped, and I will slap my child's hand.

'Nuff said for me.

Yes, you have shown that violence is quite often reciprocal. Good argument against corporal punishment.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

SOMETIMES! One thing is questioning unreasonable orders and pointing them out, but another different thing is questioning for the hell of it.

It shows that they are thinking, and you should always let them express their feelings and thoughts, and then calmly tell them why things are the way they are.

Indeed, children thinking is a good thing, and I am not saying their thoughts are bad, they can think whatever they want.

I mean as in they challenging me openly in front of their siblings. I certainly would not stand for that. If they question a decision of mine that's different than questioning the authority I as a parent have. I can explain why a decision is right, but I won't explain to them what gives me the right to make such a decision.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

You aren't a teacher. You're a tutor.

Was a tutor. But it is basically teaching.

Hahahahahahaha
No it's not
I was a tutor for 4 years, I've taught in high schools, and I've been a professional early education teacher for the past 2 years. Tutoring is not even close to being a teacher.

[Vazdania]

No, it's not, but you still have to listen to them and explain why they're wrong. And being "authoritarian" about it isn't the way to go either.

I agree being authoritarian isn't the best method, but sometimes it's a necessary evil to keep some order.

I agree you should give an explanation whenever you can, but I personally would not tolerate being questioned by my own children. I would listen to their concerns, but I would not have them questioning my authority as their father, same as I would not tolerate them questioning their mother's authority on them.

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why? if they never question your authority then they will never develop into proper adults. ITS NECESSARY FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS TO QUESTION AUTHORITY.

[Zweite Alaje]

SOMETIMES! One thing is questioning unreasonable orders and pointing them out, but another different thing is questioning for the hell of it.

It shows that they are thinking, and you should always let them express their feelings and thoughts, and then calmly tell them why things are the way they are.

They can think without being a smart-mouthed brat.

My parents allowed me to question things, but they taught me when it was appropriate to question.

[Fiscal]

I was spanked, and I will spank my child. I had my hand slapped, and I will slap my child's hand.

'Nuff said for me.

Yes, you have shown that violence is quite often reciprocal. Good argument against corporal punishment.

It's not violence. Violence is backhanding your child down the hall. Violence is knocking your child around for no reason.

Violence does not equal Discipline and vice versa.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

why? if they never question your authority then they will never develop into proper adults. ITS NECESSARY FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS TO QUESTION AUTHORITY.

No, it's not necessary to question your parents' authority.

It is necessary to teach a child to not compromise their morals to any idiot who claims is an "authority". That is different from questioning reasonable authority that doesn't compromise their morals in any way.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Yes, you have shown that violence is quite often reciprocal. Good argument against corporal punishment.

It's not violence. Violence is backhanding your child down the hall. Violence is knocking your child around for no reason.

Violence does not equal Discipline and vice versa.

Purposeful infliction of pain upon a child is always violence.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

why? if they never question your authority then they will never develop into proper adults. ITS NECESSARY FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS TO QUESTION AUTHORITY.

No, it's not necessary to question your parents' authority.

It is necessary to teach a child to not compromise their morals to any idiot who claims is an "authority". That is different from questioning reasonable authority that doesn't compromise their morals in any way.

And who says you are a reasonable authority?

[Vazdania]

why? if they never question your authority then they will never develop into proper adults. ITS NECESSARY FOR CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS TO QUESTION AUTHORITY.

No, it's not necessary to question your parents' authority.

It is necessary to teach a child to not compromise their morals to any idiot who claims is an "authority". That is different from questioning reasonable authority that doesn't compromise their morals in any way.

I entirely disagree.

[Threlizdun]

It shows that they are thinking, and you should always let them express their feelings and thoughts, and then calmly tell them why things are the way they are.

They can think without being a smart-mouthed brat.

My parents allowed me to question things, but they taught me when it was appropriate to question.

The problem is that many parents believe that little to nothing they say is worth questioning and should be accepted as absolute.

[Fiscal]

It's not violence. Violence is backhanding your child down the hall. Violence is knocking your child around for no reason.

Violence does not equal Discipline and vice versa.

Purposeful infliction of pain upon a child is always violence.

Well, I hope you can have a reasonable discussion with your children why it's not ok to spit in mommy's face.

Everybody knows discussions with a 3 year old always work out.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Purposeful infliction of pain upon a child is always violence.

Well, I hope you can have a reasonable discussion with your children why it's not ok to spit in mommy's face.

Everybody knows discussions with a 3 year old always work out.

You're talking to someone who talks things out with 3 year olds for a living.

[NERVUN]

Children rarely have points worth listening to.

Baloney, it might not be worth it to YOU, it is worth everything to them.

I'm not thrilled with listening to non-stop talk about Thomas the Tank Engine, but I also know that if I want my sons to talk to me later on, I better listen NOW.

Disciplining your own child is different than teaching a school subject.

Bullshit. I teach and am a parent, a lot of the methods I use with my junior high school students to keep my classroom in control work with my sons. Actually they work better, they don't have a set of parents to fall back on because I am the parent.

Questioning is a GOOD thing!

SOMETIMES! One thing is questioning unreasonable orders and pointing them out, but another different thing is questioning for the hell of it, which is what I meant by "questioning".

Surely, as a teacher you wouldn't have your students question your authority as a teacher just for the hell of it now would you?

Kids question, 'tis the nature of kids.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Punishments are best when

1) paired with reinforcement for good behavior
2) consistent
3) appropriately harsh
4) objective

Little toddlers won't understand why throwing meatballs in other's hair is bad by rationalizing. A spanking will do. I think that spanking or even the occasional belt is a crime against humanity. But remember the 4 above. Also physical punishment doesn't really work after Piaget's last stage. They just hate you.

[Vazdania]

Punishments are best when

1) paired with reinforcement for good behavior
2) consistent
3) appropriately harsh
4) objective

Little toddlers won't understand why throwing meatballs in other's hair is bad by rationalizing. A spanking will do. I think that spanking or even the occasional belt is a crime against humanity. But remember the 4 above. Also physical punishment doesn't really work after Piaget's last stage. They just hate you.

spankings are inappropriate. A mere "That's bad" in a harsh tone will (likely) do.