Child Discipline

[Galloism]

No, a child in that situation should be heard. I never said they shouldn't be, what I am saying is that it isn't their place to disobey their parents.

Even if the parent requires them to do something that will permanently harm them.

Dad: You're my daughter, but I want to have sex with you and, oh, by the way, bring some of your girlfriends over so I can have sex with them, too.
Daughter: But dad, I don't want to have sex with you. It's wrong, I don't like it. And my friends don't want to have sex with you, either.
Dad: *smacks daughter* how dare you disobay me, I'm your father, you're just stupid kid.

No, Alaje, don't think so.

Throw in an addendum prohibiting the child from talking about the abuse, and parents have immunity.

Speaking about it is disobeying.

[Zweite Alaje]

No, a child in that situation should be heard. I never said they shouldn't be, what I am saying is that it isn't their place to disobey their parents.

Even if the parent requires them to do something that will permanently harm them.

Dad: You're my daughter, but I want to have sex with you and, oh, by the way, bring some of your girlfriends over so I can have sex with them, too.
Daughter: But dad, I don't want to have sex with you. It's wrong, I don't like it. And my friends don't want to have sex with you, either.
Dad: *smacks daughter* how dare you disobay me, I'm your father, you're just stupid kid.

No, Alaje, don't think so.

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, a child in that situation should be heard. I never said they shouldn't be, what I am saying is that it isn't their place to disobey their parents.

Even if the parent requires them to do something that will permanently harm them.

Dad: You're my daughter, but I want to have sex with you and, oh, by the way, bring some of your girlfriends over so I can have sex with them, too.
Daughter: But dad, I don't want to have sex with you. It's wrong, I don't like it. And my friends don't want to have sex with you, either.
Dad: *smacks daughter* how dare you disobey me, I'm your father, you're just a stupid kid.

No, Alaje, don't think so.

To be fair, the vast majority of parents are not the pieces of shit you describe.

EDIT: I know how it was edited before. Sorry for the misunderstanding. And bear with me, playing Resident Evil 6 and trying to type with a messed up keyboard is hard

[New Sapienta]

Even if the parent requires them to do something that will permanently harm them.

Dad: You're my daughter, but I want to have sex with you and, oh, by the way, bring some of your girlfriends over so I can have sex with them, too.
Daughter: But dad, I don't want to have sex with you. It's wrong, I don't like it. And my friends don't want to have sex with you, either.
Dad: *smacks daughter* how dare you disobay me, I'm your father, you're just stupid kid.

No, Alaje, don't think so.

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

You really believe that children should obey commands to be raped?

That is really, really, low.

[Mavorpen]

Why would I do that?

Seriously, I have utterly no reason to believe that if you've done even a remotely competent job at raising your child, they will become an idiotic douchebag that literally screams, "PASSIVE DISCIPLINE IS FOR PUSSIES!"

So again, source that shit.

I'm working on that source, just for you.

Stop lying.

[Imsogone]

Even if the parent requires them to do something that will permanently harm them.

Dad: You're my daughter, but I want to have sex with you and, oh, by the way, bring some of your girlfriends over so I can have sex with them, too.
Daughter: But dad, I don't want to have sex with you. It's wrong, I don't like it. And my friends don't want to have sex with you, either.
Dad: *smacks daughter* how dare you disobay me, I'm your father, you're just stupid kid.

No, Alaje, don't think so.

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

Jeez, you see things in total black and white, don't you. In your world people are permitted to commit crimes against children because the children are allowed no voice at all and any disobedience can be met with a slap or kick or worse.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Even if the parent requires them to do something that will permanently harm them.

Dad: You're my daughter, but I want to have sex with you and, oh, by the way, bring some of your girlfriends over so I can have sex with them, too.
Daughter: But dad, I don't want to have sex with you. It's wrong, I don't like it. And my friends don't want to have sex with you, either.
Dad: *smacks daughter* how dare you disobay me, I'm your father, you're just stupid kid.

No, Alaje, don't think so.

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

*yes*
Children can have valid points and if you don't listen to your children you shouldn't be a parent. Even if a child is wrong, you should listen to what they're saying and think about it and figure out a way to show them why they're wrong.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

Jeez, you see things in total black and white, don't you. In your world people are permitted to commit crimes against children because the children are allowed no voice at all and any disobedience can be met with a slap or kick or worse.

Well, to be fair Imso, like I said, the vast majority of parents would not rape or abuse their children that way. Most parents are decent parents, some are stupid or misguided, but they are not really this bad.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

*yes*
Children can have valid points and if you don't listen to your children you shouldn't be a parent. Even if a child is wrong, you should listen to what they're saying and think about it and figure out a way to show them why they're wrong.

My dad listened to me in a minimal way, but he was authoritarian in his parenting model overall. It was mostly whatever he said went, and it is still true today: whatever he says goes. Then again, he has never told me to do something against the law or anything so I tend to trust his judgement.

I think he did a damn fine job at raising me, since for one I am not out there doing harm to people, but rather making the world a bit of a better place.

Parenting is not a science which you can study. It is mostly an experiment. Mostly, parenting is about guiding the child to be a productive member of society. That is the aim most parents should strive for.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

*yes*
Children can have valid points and if you don't listen to your children you shouldn't be a parent. Even if a child is wrong, you should listen to what they're saying and think about it and figure out a way to show them why they're wrong.

My dad listened to me in a minimal way, but he was authoritarian in his parenting model.

I think he did a damn fine job at raising me, since for one I am not out there doing harm to people, but rather making the world a bit of a better place.

My parents didn't raise me strictly. I was a good kid. Then they started being terrible to me and I hate them for it. It ruined my mind and ambitions and now I'm in therapy thanks to their abuse.

[Dazchan]

Even if the parent requires them to do something that will permanently harm them.

Dad: You're my daughter, but I want to have sex with you and, oh, by the way, bring some of your girlfriends over so I can have sex with them, too.
Daughter: But dad, I don't want to have sex with you. It's wrong, I don't like it. And my friends don't want to have sex with you, either.
Dad: *smacks daughter* how dare you disobay me, I'm your father, you're just stupid kid.

No, Alaje, don't think so.

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

Yes. You listen to their problems, validate them and see if there's a way to work around them, either through compromise or a recognition that sometimes you just have to do things you don't like. It's called raising a child.

[Zweite Alaje]

I'm working on that source, just for you.

Stop lying.

Someone is a pessimist. Why would you assume I'm lying?

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

Jeez, you see things in total black and white, don't you. In your world people are permitted to commit crimes against children because the children are allowed no voice at all and any disobedience can be met with a slap or kick or worse.

Children shouldn't have a "voice" in the same sense as adults, that's why we have parents.

Ok, then we are to listen to a kid when ever something they "don't like" comes up?

*yes*
Children can have valid points and if you don't listen to your children you shouldn't be a parent. Even if a child is wrong, you should listen to what they're saying and think about it and figure out a way to show them why they're wrong.

Children rarely have points worth listening to.

[Imsogone]

Stop lying.

Someone is a pessimist. Why would you assume I'm lying?

Jeez, you see things in total black and white, don't you. In your world people are permitted to commit crimes against children because the children are allowed no voice at all and any disobedience can be met with a slap or kick or worse.

Children shouldn't have a "voice" in the same sense as adults, that's why we have parents.

*yes*
Children can have valid points and if you don't listen to your children you shouldn't be a parent. Even if a child is wrong, you should listen to what they're saying and think about it and figure out a way to show them why they're wrong.

Children rarely have points worth listening to.

Word of advice - don't. ever. have. kids.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My dad listened to me in a minimal way, but he was authoritarian in his parenting model.

I think he did a damn fine job at raising me, since for one I am not out there doing harm to people, but rather making the world a bit of a better place.

My parents didn't raise me strictly. I was a good kid. Then they started being terrible to me and I hate them for it. It ruined my mind and ambitions and now I'm in therapy thanks to their abuse.

My dad had an almost militaristic attitude with us when we were children. Like I said, it was his way or the highway. I don't feel like I was abused, and I tended to be a good kid overall, although I have had this fierce independent streak on me that has gotten me in trouble.

I do not think demanding a child to be a good kid or being authoritarian in certain things is a bad thing. However, one thing is being strict and authoritarian and another thing is being abusive. Also, I agree with you that parents should listen to their children, I know my dad listened to my concerns, but he knew also how to put order in the household.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Stop lying.

Someone is a pessimist. Why would you assume I'm lying?

Jeez, you see things in total black and white, don't you. In your world people are permitted to commit crimes against children because the children are allowed no voice at all and any disobedience can be met with a slap or kick or worse.

Children shouldn't have a "voice" in the same sense as adults, that's why we have parents.

*yes*
Children can have valid points and if you don't listen to your children you shouldn't be a parent. Even if a child is wrong, you should listen to what they're saying and think about it and figure out a way to show them why they're wrong.

Children rarely have points worth listening to.

Never become a parent or teacher. You are bad at it.

[New Sapienta]

Children rarely have points worth listening to.

Absolute and utter bullshit. Most parents who say this had their hypocrisy or some stupid rule challenged, and then when they realized that the kid was right, decided to shut them up by proclaiming their over lordship.

The only way to tell a kid why a rule is in place, is to tell him or her why the their objection is wrong, or if it isn't, why there needs to be the rule anyway.

[Zweite Alaje]

Someone is a pessimist. Why would you assume I'm lying?



Children shouldn't have a "voice" in the same sense as adults, that's why we have parents.


Children rarely have points worth listening to.

Word of advice - don't. ever. have. kids.

I plan on it, as an oldest child, it is my duty.

[Mavorpen]

Stop lying.

Someone is a pessimist. Why would you assume I'm lying?

Because your claim was bullshit.

[New Sapienta]

Word of advice - don't. ever. have. kids.

I plan on it, as an oldest child, it is my duty.

No, it's no ones duty to have kids.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Word of advice - don't. ever. have. kids.

I plan on it, as an oldest child, it is my duty.

How the fuck is having children a duty? No. Having children is a responsibility and you do not know how to do it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Children rarely have points worth listening to.

Absolute and utter bullshit. Most parents who say this had their hypocrisy or some stupid rule challenged, and then when they realized that the kid was right, decided to shut them up by proclaiming their over lordship.

The only way to tell a kid why a rule is in place, is to tell him or her why the their objection is wrong, or if it isn't, why there needs to be the rule anyway.

Sometimes you can't really explain everything to a child because they wouldn't understand it. Sometimes a "I say so" is sufficient.

I know I wouldn't have understood my dad's logic back then about many things. I just thought my dad was a horrible father for what I thought was restricting my freedoms, now that I am older I can see the reasons why he did what he did and I don't blame him for it.

[Imsogone]

Word of advice - don't. ever. have. kids.

I plan on it, as an oldest child, it is my duty.

No, there are already too many screwed up people in the world. It's your duty to keep from contributing more. Repeat don't. ever. have. kids.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I plan on it, as an oldest child, it is my duty.

How the fuck is having children a duty? No. Having children is a responsibility and you do not know how to do it.

Nobody knows how to be a parent until they are on the spot, just to be clear.

[New Sapienta]

Absolute and utter bullshit. Most parents who say this had their hypocrisy or some stupid rule challenged, and then when they realized that the kid was right, decided to shut them up by proclaiming their over lordship.

The only way to tell a kid why a rule is in place, is to tell him or her why the their objection is wrong, or if it isn't, why there needs to be the rule anyway.

Sometimes you can't really explain everything to a child because they wouldn't understand it. Sometimes a "I say so" is sufficient.

I know I wouldn't have understood my dad's logic back then about many things. I just thought my dad was a horrible father for what I thought was restricting my freedoms, now that I am older I can see the reasons why he did what he did and I don't blame him for it.

Well for me, explanations made me realize why things were how they were.

Young kids will suffice or I say so, but, say, ten year olds can have valid complaints, and can actually help you parent them.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Absolute and utter bullshit. Most parents who say this had their hypocrisy or some stupid rule challenged, and then when they realized that the kid was right, decided to shut them up by proclaiming their over lordship.

The only way to tell a kid why a rule is in place, is to tell him or her why the their objection is wrong, or if it isn't, why there needs to be the rule anyway.

Sometimes you can't really explain everything to a child because they wouldn't understand it. Sometimes a "I say so" is sufficient.

I know I wouldn't have understood my dad's logic back then about many things. I just thought my dad was a horrible father for what I thought was restricting my freedoms, now that I am older I can see the reasons why he did what he did and I don't blame him for it.

That's hilarious because I explain everything to the children I teach, age 3 - 5, and they understand and respect that.