Former Racists

[The Merchant Republics]

I was never an intentional racist, (my small town white as bread upbringing, does mean for a while I wasn't particularly well-adjusted to other cultures, led to innocent and incidental racism when I was little, (I vividly recall being five and asking my mother why "That man was made out of chocolate." In reference to a black person) But as I recall, it provoked laughs.

Obviously as I grew up and learned about the world, I realized that there were many different races besides white people but I was taught and at heart I always knew those differences were skin-deep.


What I was for quite a long-time, indeed I remained so for the first year that I came to NS, as the Adrian Empire: was a quite virulent homophobe. To the point that I believed in re-education of homosexuals. I can't entirely credit NSG for changing my beliefs, though it definitely played a role, what I can say is that I met people and became exposed to new thoughts that changed me from viewing them as in my own shameful words: "a sinful, unnatural and disgusting phenomenon" to my current position, where I support gay marriage not in spite but also on the basis of my Christian faith.

[Volnotova]

Racism against Jewish people is one of the worst mistakes of the human race. They did nothing wrong, yet they faced people who did everything wrong and blamed it on them. So, yeah, I see why most people used to be racist against the jews.

Jews have been vilified from a lot of nations through out history and not for religious extremism as they are a religious and ethnic group but always for usury and deception.
Same thing in Germany, do you think that the anti-semitism was initiated by Hitler? No, anti-semitism was prevalent during the whole Weimar period, same thing in other European countries at that time and before that.
It is wrong to say that anti-semitism is unfounded but its also wrong to say that every single jew meets these characteristics and should be discriminated against or whatnot.
Also, 'human' is a species, not a race.

Anti-semitism was prevalent nearly everywhere in Europe, including in countries such as France, Poland and the USSR.

[Volnotova]

It's more like If your house gets reappropriated by someone, you think illegitimately, then given to someone else, but you're allowed to keep the basement. Then every so often one of your family members murders one of the new owners and the new owners start getting pissed off by this and start encroaching on your basement and killing your family members.

Of course the analogy is shit but whatever.

So Palestinians firing unguided rockets with no warheads automatically justifies bulldozing homes, airstrikes on children, walling off sections of the country and refusing passage to people who haven't done anything wrong, shooting Muslims for praying, running over Americans with bulldozers etc.

It was a shitty analogy to begin with, I know that. But Israel should never have existed in the first place.

Again, misread the "Former" perhaps?

The actions of a few or even a many do not invalidate an entire category of people.

There are many (Jewish) Israelis that care for the plight of those palestinians suffering from/under the effects of the occupation, some of who I know personally.

And Israel shouldn't have existed? What about the United States? Or the PRC? Or Myanmar? Or Pakistan and India? Or Russia? Or Hungary? Or Sudan? Or Nigeria? Or Ethiopia? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Iran? Or Turkey? Or Serbia? Or many others of the world's 190 undisputed and 16 disputed states (as according to the UN)?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

My father was always Xenophobic, so he influenced my opinion on "race" heavily. I'm not sure if I were quite a "racist" as such, because I was often too young to be hateful in any way.

Generally learning the truth beyond senseless prejudice helped considerably.

[Person012345]

I can find nothing supporting that claim. Care to provide a source?

They fall under laws against inciting discrimination, inciting hatred and calling for violence. I'll give you one simple example: Article 137d, Wetboek van Strafrecht. It's illegal to incite hatred in spoken word, written word or image.

The government has also signed a treaty which forbids all war propaganda and propaganda based on heritage, race or religion that is meant to incite discrimination, hostility or violence. That's the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, article 20, for reference.

If you want a practical example of how those are used, try to look for Hans Janmaat, a former member of Dutch parliament who was convicted several times for saying such things as "we need to put our own citizens first."

But that doesn't ban the swastika. It would ban certain uses of the swastika.

[Yankee Empire]

Because Petain, obviously, banned Swastikas.

European governments are autocracies where random defecting generals have complete authority to ban symbols from use after being defeated in a war.

Yankee, what your saying is either totally non sequitur (totally disconnected point after disconnected point), or fucking insane.

What are you talking about?

[Person012345]

European governments are autocracies where random defecting generals have complete authority to ban symbols from use after being defeated in a war.

Yankee, what your saying is either totally non sequitur (totally disconnected point after disconnected point), or fucking insane.

What are you talking about?

I would ask you the same thing. It's not really my problem if you don't know what non sequitur is.

[Varijnland]

I stopped being racist when I realized that a person is a person and skin colour doesn't mean shit.........

I'm not being 100% truthful, I am still racist against Somalians as I am yet to meet a nice somalian

[Restaured France]

I'm still wondering why people focus so much on racism like if it was the ultimate sin.

As it's turn out, it's seem that it's a sort of shameful psycological sickness that need to be sort out, like a tendency to pedophilia or other skizophrenic disorder.

That really odds that people in homogenious country, such as China, Japan, Korea, or some eastern european, don't complain about racism.
Why ? Cause individual are holded for their personal values and achievement, not for the so call racial prejudice that they have been suffering for hundred years and so on.

If anything, country with multiple ethno-cultural group, are a competition of cry babies to get advantage such as preferable legal treatment or "affirmative action", and other " reversed racism".

We surely did some needed efforts on mutual understanding, but the main population group of a country are the host and they have a legitimate right to decide who is welcome, and who is not.

The whole anti-racism thing exist because the anti-racist, often from the majority groups are turning anti-racism into a core moral value of tolerance.
This is more therefore more important to be "tolerant" and "openminded" and see how people are " after all like us". Than protecting a better environment for our children to live and prosper.

Despite actual facts and studies that certain minorities are law-abiding and calm, and others are more likely to commit crime. One should be equally open and friendly to anyone just in case someone could call the dreaded "R" word
Rather dead than intolerant ?

[Volnotova]

That really odds that people in homogenious country, such as China, Japan, Korea, or some eastern european, don't complain about racism.

Pardon? You know all people in those countries?

I can think of a few instances.

Why ? Cause individual are holded for their personal values and achievement, not for the so call racial prejudice that they have been suffering for hundred years and so on.

¿Qué?

Are you implying that doesn't happen here?

If anything, country with multiple ethno-cultural group, are a competition of cry babies to get advantage such as preferable legal treatment or "affirmative action", and other " reversed racism".

Implied generalisation and... every country is multi ethnic?

We surely did some needed efforts on mutual understanding, but the main population group of a country are the host and they have a legitimate right to decide who is welcome, and who is not.

Yes, the Nazis were right.

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I guess if I am deported due to my ethnicity by members of the "main" population(/ethnic?) group they have the right to do so?

Strange, that doesn't seem to be covered by the Dutch constitution, or any EU law for the matter that I know of. (Nor any UN resolution)

The whole anti-racism thing exist because the anti-racist, often from the majority groups are turning anti-racism into a core moral value of tolerance.

Seems pretty sensible in a way.

This is more therefore more important to be "tolerant" and "openminded" and see how people are " after all like us". Than protecting a better environment for our children to live and prosper.

What are you implying here good sir/(madam)? That certain minorities ought to be purged for the betterment of you society/the dominant ethnic group?

Despite actual facts and studies that certain minorities are law-abiding and calm, and others are more likely to commit crime.

Being of a certain ethnic minority does not make you more likely to commit crime. Correlation =/= causation. Try again.

One should be equally open and friendly to anyone just in case someone could call the dreaded "R" word
Rather dead than intolerant ?

Should? No. I don't see the problem really.

[The Merchant Republics]

I'm still wondering why people focus so much on racism like if it was the ultimate sin.

As it's turn out, it's seem that it's a sort of shameful psycological sickness that need to be sort out, like a tendency to pedophilia or other skizophrenic disorder.

That really odds that people in homogenious country, such as China, Japan, Korea, or some eastern european, don't complain about racism.
Why ? Cause individual are holded for their personal values and achievement, not for the so call racial prejudice that they have been suffering for hundred years and so on.

If anything, country with multiple ethno-cultural group, are a competition of cry babies to get advantage such as preferable legal treatment or "affirmative action", and other " reversed racism".

We surely did some needed efforts on mutual understanding, but the main population group of a country are the host and they have a legitimate right to decide who is welcome, and who is not.

The whole anti-racism thing exist because the anti-racist, often from the majority groups are turning anti-racism into a core moral value of tolerance.
This is more therefore more important to be "tolerant" and "openminded" and see how people are " after all like us". Than protecting a better environment for our children to live and prosper.

Despite actual facts and studies that certain minorities are law-abiding and calm, and others are more likely to commit crime. One should be equally open and friendly to anyone just in case someone could call the dreaded "R" word
Rather dead than intolerant ?

You've obviously never been to Japan.

While Japan is... friendly, they are pretty casually racist against Westerners and other outsiders. Especially Koreans, they are hella racist against Koreans.

Also Eastern Europe valuing individuals? Former Soviet "There is no I, only we" Eastern Europe? What? I mean, they aren't soviet anymore, but culturally they aren't exactly rewarding or supportive of free spirits and individual excellence by nature.

Also, Racism is not a psychological illness, it is at best a treatable pathology. It is no more an illness than any other phobia, there is nothing wrong with the brain of a racist or any other phobic, it's just been filled with stupid. Whether that stupid is "spiders are going to leap in my face and kill me." or "Mexicans are going to leap over our border and steal our jerbs." it remains not a sickness, just a wrong frame of mind.

[Restaured France]

Pardon? You know all people in those countries?

I can think of numerous instances of homegenious country which got way less criminality, and community conflict than multicultural country ?
Regardless of ethnicity would you live in Japan or in Brazil ?

Yes, the Nazis were right.

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I guess if I am deported due to my ethnicity by members of the "main" population(/ethnic?) group they have the right to do so?

Strange, that doesn't seem to be covered by the Dutch constitution, or any EU law for the matter that I know of. (Nor any UN resolution)

What are you implying here good sir/(madam)? That certain minorities ought to be purged for the betterment of you society/the dominant ethnic group?

The usual godwin point.
So now if a bunch of gypsie are going to settle in the public park, or even more tolerant, in your garden backyard. then you are not going to be able to voice your opinon as if they are welcome in your community or not right ?



Just like, choosing the conditions for immigration isn't a part of the job of the governement of a country ?
And please, stop bringing out the Nazi anytime we talk about setting up limitations of right beetwen residents and none-residents. Every single country in the world do that.

Being of a certain ethnic minority does not make you more likely to commit crime. Correlation =/= causation. Try again.

This is sheer empirical data. A somalian minority (as a whole) is statistically more likely to commit crime under a western set of laws than a chinese one. Please find one of the many example.

http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl ... s/5759702/

Should? No. I don't see the problem really.

If you was a women in Oslo, would you equally treat native Norwegian or immigrants offspring in your social relation.
If you don't you are a racist.

You've obviously never been to Japan.

While Japan is... friendly, they are pretty casually racist against Westerners and other outsiders. Especially Koreans, they are hella racist against Koreans.

Also Eastern Europe valuing individuals? Former Soviet "There is no I, only we" Eastern Europe? What? I mean, they aren't soviet anymore, but culturally they aren't exactly rewarding or supportive of free spirits and individual excellence by nature.

Also, Racism is not a psychological illness, it is at best a treatable pathology. It is no more an illness than any other phobia, there is nothing wrong with the brain of a racist or any other phobic, it's just been filled with stupid. Whether that stupid is "spiders are going to leap in my face and kill me." or "Mexicans are going to leap over our border and steal our jerbs." it remains not a sickness, just a wrong frame of mind.

And they are racist and/or xenophobic against outsiders. It's part of their culture. And so ? What is the fundamental impact on their society ? On their economy ?
They rebuilt a society from ash and are in the top edge on several industry. What the matter. Would they have done better if they started opening their border in a already crowded Island to become like England ?

Concerning racism as a whole, it's about turning a mistrust of foreigners into something fundamentally evil. And to be honest i don't see how law abiding and working minority suffer from racism ( The example of success of chinese in Universities )

[Tel]

We have a highly trained team of scientists assigned to finding out what points you're trying to stand by or make.

[Czechanada]

For some reason I read the thread title as: "Flower Racists".

[Nazi Flower Power]

I remmeber on a Fascist Thread about Liberal Degeneration of the mind they had a link to some volunteer worker in Haitis blog, who got Raped by one or a few of the Haitien men down their.

And She had this really weired way of thinking about it, like it was the white mans fault that these black men had the hate in their hearts that they would rape a women who was trying to help them.

And how she Became more loving afterwards to undo this aura of hate.

Fucking crazy.

I'm not saying it justifies Racism, but the Amount of mental gymnastics this woman performed based on here Anti-Racism outlook was ridiculous.

That's not anti-racism. Anti-racism would be saying, "Those men are jerks, but it's them as individuals. It's not because they're black."

Blaming it on white people is racist. Black people are just as responsible for their own fucked up actions as Germans were for the Holocaust and WWII.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Germany isn't the entirity of Europe.

Sure it is! You really need to work on your "thinking like a Nazi" skills!

[Nazi Flower Power]

I'm still wondering why people focus so much on racism like if it was the ultimate sin.

I sometimes wonder that too, but it wasn't what this thread was about.

Despite actual facts and studies that certain minorities are law-abiding and calm, and others are more likely to commit crime. One should be equally open and friendly to anyone just in case someone could call the dreaded "R" word
Rather dead than intolerant ?

Having more criminals in the group does not mean any specific individual within the group has more criminal tendencies. A law-abiding black person is just as law-abiding as a law-abiding white person. Crime statistics don't change that.

[Pope Joan]

Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black was a KKK member.

He said he grew up, met people and learned things.

He went on to become one of the greatest Justices of the 20th Century.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4828849

[Restaured France]

Having more criminals in the group does not mean any specific individual within the group has more criminal tendencies. A law-abiding black person is just as law-abiding as a law-abiding white person. Crime statistics don't change that.

Can you still understand that on empirical data, you don't know if a person is law abiding by looking at him. Unless you take clues based on clothing (Gangsta style vs formal dressing ) and on the reputation of the community. Therefore, crossing a group of chinese, or norwegian tourists is way safter than crossing a group of blacks ghetto men.

The fact that we can't say that without taking a trial for racism doesn't make it less true.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

IOne should be equally open and friendly to anyone just in case someone could call the dreaded "R" word

Indeed, the word "rapscallion" does often bode ill when it is uttered.

[Motappaland]

I'm a black American and I'm also a member of the KKK.

What do?

[United Kingdom of Muffins]

I'm a black American and I'm also a member of the KKK.

What do?

Unplug and then reboot the tower.

[Czechanada]

I user to be distrustful of Polish people, but after meeting some and temporarily working with one, I quite like them now!

I guess you could say that they Polished their image.

[National Socialists of America]

Ha! I instantly thought of this clown when entering this thread.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Having more criminals in the group does not mean any specific individual within the group has more criminal tendencies. A law-abiding black person is just as law-abiding as a law-abiding white person. Crime statistics don't change that.

Can you still understand that on empirical data, you don't know if a person is law abiding by looking at him. Unless you take clues based on clothing (Gangsta style vs formal dressing ) and on the reputation of the community. Therefore, crossing a group of chinese, or norwegian tourists is way safter than crossing a group of blacks ghetto men.

The fact that we can't say that without taking a trial for racism doesn't make it less true.

That's why you get to know people as individuals before you judge them. It doesn't really take very long to start forming an opinion based on a person's BEHAVIOR. Someone might be black and dressed a bit ghetto, but if they are friendly, polite, and not hitting on you right off the bat, then it's no reason to be afraid of them.

Actually, from my experience as a street vendor, the best way to predict who will cause trouble, if you are trying to guess just based on their looks, is their cleanliness. Their race and the style of their clothes are not as reliable. Black guys in clean hoodies are usually decent people who just happen to like that style of clothes.