Proletarian Revolution

[Korintar]

When I contemplate the American proletariat, I see Nascar fans.

They wear cowboy hats or truckers' caps, carry a beer around with them everywhere, and never complete a sentence without a "F***".

Sure it's a totally unfair stereotype, but still...

Isn't there enough truth in that picture to make you wonder why anybody would ever dream of recruiting them for any revolution, other than perhaps a fascist one?

They are a bastardization of the old school rednecks, that said the old school rednecks, of which I am sure there are some still around today, are trade unionists and populists through and through. They (the new school rednecks/nascar fans) could be recruited if you explained to them exactly what you wanted to accomplish in terms they can accept and understand. I could accomplish that, as I'm used to such types.

[Pope Joan]

When I contemplate the American proletariat, I see Nascar fans.

They wear cowboy hats or truckers' caps, carry a beer around with them everywhere, and never complete a sentence without a "F***".

Sure it's a totally unfair stereotype, but still...

Isn't there enough truth in that picture to make you wonder why anybody would ever dream of recruiting them for any revolution, other than perhaps a fascist one?

They are a bastardization of the old school rednecks, that said the old school rednecks, of which I am sure there are some still around today, are trade unionists and populists through and through. They (the new school rednecks/nascar fans) could be recruited if you explained to them exactly what you wanted to accomplish in terms they can accept and understand. I could accomplish that, as I'm used to such types.

Good for you.

My wife feels the same way, still optimistic.

She says "I can speak freely about the rednecks, because I are one."

I quote.

Her mom grew up on a farm in Pocahontas County, W VA.

[Pevisopolis]

Was "unitedcomrades.com" ever mentioned? These just may be my old British armchair revolutionary mates from the old Commie forums.

[Pope Joan]

Once on my ballot in a rural industrial town in northwest PA appeared some Labor Party candidates.

I looked up their platform.

Their number one agenda item was to use federal funding to improve the Bessemer blast furnace process.

I held little hope for their success; in order to understand and support them, you not only had to be a worker, but you had to be an engineer.

[Dyakovo]

Dear NSG,

Today I was walking through London and I saw some posters; the infamous picture of Karl Marx and his crazy beard caught my eye. I stopped and looked, expecting it to be nothing more than an extreme socialist pressure group going on another tyrade against capitalism by protesting at their local library. I was right, it was a protest against capitalism, but this group was different. They appear to have done away with the political dialectics and were actually trying to advocate and promote a proletarian revolution.

My response was laughter, but not because I am politically adverse to the Marxist viewpoint. Do people actually think that a social revolution can work? Why do they stand up and promote this ridiculousness? Now, I am what I think is generally viewed as centrist, and I have what I believe to be a realistic understanding of the world. In this understanding, I can NEVER see the complex infrastructure and behavioural programming of a capitalist society suddenly breaking down and becoming all about the 'collective ownership'. How can they not see that a proletarian revolution will cost many of the lives they seek to empower?

Help me understand this NSG.

Because Marxism is all about seizing power, not about helping those poor pitiful proles.

Not really... That is what Leninism & Stalinism were about. There is a difference.

[Pevisopolis]

Dear NSG,

Today I was walking through London and I saw some posters; the infamous picture of Karl Marx and his crazy beard caught my eye. I stopped and looked, expecting it to be nothing more than an extreme socialist pressure group going on another tyrade against capitalism by protesting at their local library. I was right, it was a protest against capitalism, but this group was different. They appear to have done away with the political dialectics and were actually trying to advocate and promote a proletarian revolution.

My response was laughter, but not because I am politically adverse to the Marxist viewpoint. Do people actually think that a social revolution can work? Why do they stand up and promote this ridiculousness? Now, I am what I think is generally viewed as centrist, and I have what I believe to be a realistic understanding of the world. In this understanding, I can NEVER see the complex infrastructure and behavioural programming of a capitalist society suddenly breaking down and becoming all about the 'collective ownership'. How can they not see that a proletarian revolution will cost many of the lives they seek to empower?

Help me understand this NSG.

Because Marxism is all about seizing power, not about helping those poor pitiful proles.

Not really... That is what Leninism & Stalinism were about. There is a difference.

Shh, he's one of those who believes Vanguardism and Authoritarian Leninism actually represent Communism.

[Dyakovo]

Dear NSG,

Today I was walking through London and I saw some posters; the infamous picture of Karl Marx and his crazy beard caught my eye. I stopped and looked, expecting it to be nothing more than an extreme socialist pressure group going on another tyrade against capitalism by protesting at their local library. I was right, it was a protest against capitalism, but this group was different. They appear to have done away with the political dialectics and were actually trying to advocate and promote a proletarian revolution.

My response was laughter, but not because I am politically adverse to the Marxist viewpoint. Do people actually think that a social revolution can work? Why do they stand up and promote this ridiculousness? Now, I am what I think is generally viewed as centrist, and I have what I believe to be a realistic understanding of the world. In this understanding, I can NEVER see the complex infrastructure and behavioural programming of a capitalist society suddenly breaking down and becoming all about the 'collective ownership'. How can they not see that a proletarian revolution will cost many of the lives they seek to empower?

Help me understand this NSG.

Because Marxism is all about seizing power, not about helping those poor pitiful proles.

Not really... That is what Leninism & Stalinism were about. There is a difference.

Shh, he's one of those who believes Vanguardism and Authoritarian Leninism actually represent Communism.

I know... I also realize he isn't going to listen when I say otherwise; felt the need to correct him anyways.

[LOL ANARCHY NUBZ]

The revolution will come along in time. We see the growing socialist tendencies every day in pretty much all western nations.

We are maybe half way to stage 2 of Marx's theory.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

I was walking through London and saw a poster saying 'Hitler was right'.
People put weird posters like these all the time, get over it..

[Grave_n_idle]

Dear NSG,

Today I was walking through London and I saw some posters; the infamous picture of Karl Marx and his crazy beard caught my eye. I stopped and looked, expecting it to be nothing more than an extreme socialist pressure group going on another tyrade against capitalism by protesting at their local library. I was right, it was a protest against capitalism, but this group was different. They appear to have done away with the political dialectics and were actually trying to advocate and promote a proletarian revolution.

My response was laughter, but not because I am politically adverse to the Marxist viewpoint. Do people actually think that a social revolution can work? Why do they stand up and promote this ridiculousness? Now, I am what I think is generally viewed as centrist, and I have what I believe to be a realistic understanding of the world. In this understanding, I can NEVER see the complex infrastructure and behavioural programming of a capitalist society suddenly breaking down and becoming all about the 'collective ownership'. How can they not see that a proletarian revolution will cost many of the lives they seek to empower?

Help me understand this NSG.

There could easily be a proletarian revolution, if enough people were involved.

At the moment, I very strongly doubt enough people would get involved, (especially somewhere like the UK, where it's hard to get people that riled up about anything) although it rather depends on how well the current economic situation resolves itself.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Dear NSG,

Today I was walking through London and I saw some posters; the infamous picture of Karl Marx and his crazy beard caught my eye. I stopped and looked, expecting it to be nothing more than an extreme socialist pressure group going on another tyrade against capitalism by protesting at their local library. I was right, it was a protest against capitalism, but this group was different. They appear to have done away with the political dialectics and were actually trying to advocate and promote a proletarian revolution.

My response was laughter, but not because I am politically adverse to the Marxist viewpoint. Do people actually think that a social revolution can work? Why do they stand up and promote this ridiculousness? Now, I am what I think is generally viewed as centrist, and I have what I believe to be a realistic understanding of the world. In this understanding, I can NEVER see the complex infrastructure and behavioural programming of a capitalist society suddenly breaking down and becoming all about the 'collective ownership'. How can they not see that a proletarian revolution will cost many of the lives they seek to empower?

Help me understand this NSG.

There could easily be a proletarian revolution, if enough people were involved.

At the moment, I very strongly doubt enough people would get involved, (especially somewhere like the UK, where it's hard to get people that riled up about anything) although it rather depends on how well the current economic situation resolves itself.

Especially when most people in the U.K, don't even know what a proletarians are.

[LOL ANARCHY NUBZ]

I was walking through London and saw a poster saying 'Hitler was right'.
People put weird posters like these all the time, get over it..

Well, the BNP are obviously on another election drive

[CornixPes II]

I was walking through London and saw a poster saying 'Hitler was right'.
People put weird posters like these all the time, get over it..

There's no need to be like that, I raised the topic to introduce some debate on the hypothetics of socialst revolution, not as a complaint about posters.

[CornixPes II]

Dear NSG,

Today I was walking through London and I saw some posters; the infamous picture of Karl Marx and his crazy beard caught my eye. I stopped and looked, expecting it to be nothing more than an extreme socialist pressure group going on another tyrade against capitalism by protesting at their local library. I was right, it was a protest against capitalism, but this group was different. They appear to have done away with the political dialectics and were actually trying to advocate and promote a proletarian revolution.

My response was laughter, but not because I am politically adverse to the Marxist viewpoint. Do people actually think that a social revolution can work? Why do they stand up and promote this ridiculousness? Now, I am what I think is generally viewed as centrist, and I have what I believe to be a realistic understanding of the world. In this understanding, I can NEVER see the complex infrastructure and behavioural programming of a capitalist society suddenly breaking down and becoming all about the 'collective ownership'. How can they not see that a proletarian revolution will cost many of the lives they seek to empower?

Help me understand this NSG.

There could easily be a proletarian revolution, if enough people were involved.

At the moment, I very strongly doubt enough people would get involved, (especially somewhere like the UK, where it's hard to get people that riled up about anything) although it rather depends on how well the current economic situation resolves itself.

Especially when most people in the U.K, don't even know what a proletarians are.

And I'm pretty sure there can be a revolution without people knowing the technical names for things. Politics, at the ground level, works in severe black and white - if there was a revolution it would be based on issues not the concept of the proletariat.

[Grave_n_idle]

Dear NSG,

Today I was walking through London and I saw some posters; the infamous picture of Karl Marx and his crazy beard caught my eye. I stopped and looked, expecting it to be nothing more than an extreme socialist pressure group going on another tyrade against capitalism by protesting at their local library. I was right, it was a protest against capitalism, but this group was different. They appear to have done away with the political dialectics and were actually trying to advocate and promote a proletarian revolution.

My response was laughter, but not because I am politically adverse to the Marxist viewpoint. Do people actually think that a social revolution can work? Why do they stand up and promote this ridiculousness? Now, I am what I think is generally viewed as centrist, and I have what I believe to be a realistic understanding of the world. In this understanding, I can NEVER see the complex infrastructure and behavioural programming of a capitalist society suddenly breaking down and becoming all about the 'collective ownership'. How can they not see that a proletarian revolution will cost many of the lives they seek to empower?

Help me understand this NSG.

There could easily be a proletarian revolution, if enough people were involved.

At the moment, I very strongly doubt enough people would get involved, (especially somewhere like the UK, where it's hard to get people that riled up about anything) although it rather depends on how well the current economic situation resolves itself.

Especially when most people in the U.K, don't even know what a proletarians are.

And I'm pretty sure there can be a revolution without people knowing the technical names for things. Politics, at the ground level, works in severe black and white - if there was a revolution it would be based on issues not the concept of the proletariat.

Exactly. People get hungry? Bad stuff happens. Even if not everyone knows what to call it.

[Maurepas]

Didnt Robespierre and the Jacobin Club meet in a Library?