Where on earth is Miranda going?

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Holy fucking shit he got his damn rights read to him after the public safety exception expired just as it should be. Why is this thread still going on?

Because some people are under the impression that you have to read him his rights AS YOU ARREST HIM NO MATTER WHAT, even if he's bleeding out from a bullet hole in his neck and was subsequently sedated for a few days.

"Do you understand your rights as I have explained them to you?"

"(bubbling noises)"

[Herskerstad]

Would this extend to serial killers, serial rapists, child molesters, jaywalkers or speeders, drug dealers - these all have public safety issues attached? Where is this going to lead?

Most likely it will only re-enforce a fully exercised one, which is treatment of enemy combatants. Jaywalking or speeding does not make one an enemy combatant, blowing up a public square in likely pretext of holy war and resisting arrest with deadly force however does. American citizens can be identified and dealt with as enemy combatants did, and this is not a new concept as it has been somewhat informally practiced ever since WWII in rare occations.

Anyhow he was critically wounded last time I checked and in intensive care, was he ever concious enough to even recive the reading?

[Tekania]

Holy fucking shit he got his damn rights read to him after the public safety exception expired just as it should be. Why is this thread still going on?

Because some people are under the impression that you have to read him his rights AS YOU ARREST HIM NO MATTER WHAT, even if he's bleeding out from a bullet hole in his neck and was subsequently sedated for a few days.

"Do you understand your rights as I have explained them to you?"

"(bubbling noises)"

Two gurgles for yes, one for no.

[Gauthier]

Because some people are under the impression that you have to read him his rights AS YOU ARREST HIM NO MATTER WHAT, even if he's bleeding out from a bullet hole in his neck and was subsequently sedated for a few days.

"Do you understand your rights as I have explained them to you?"

"(bubbling noises)"

Two gurgles for yes, one for no.

One beep on the life support for Yes, two beeps for No.

[Ironrite]

Two gurgles for yes, one for no.

One beep on the life support for Yes, two beeps for No.

That's going in my sig...

[Tekania]

Two gurgles for yes, one for no.

One beep on the life support for Yes, two beeps for No.

I see one fatal flaw in that:

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Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......

[Coccygia]

Your response is utterly irrelevant, as I never said anything of the sort. Try responding to something I did say.

"I can't come up with an argument that counters yours because you're right and I'm wrong."

It's the same petty shit that people pull when they just say "STRAWMANG" or whatever fallacies they can think of. Explain the shit you don't get or what you think is irrelevant. You're saying we shouldn't defend Nazis in court and I'm saying the ACLU is extending the clause in the Const. where it says that everyone is allowed a counsel.

Strawmanning! That's the term I was trying to remember. I have decided I will no longer respond to Strawman responses. Or insults. Adios.

EDIT: Another thing I won't respond to: Self-proclaimed debate victories.

Your response is utterly irrelevant, as I never said anything of the sort. Try responding to something I did say.

Sounds like you are advocating guilty until proven innocent.

See above.

[Galloism]

They haven't read Tsarnaev his Miranda rights because he's flying high on sedatives right now and breathing via a tube, so even if he was conscious, he wouldn't be able to acknowledge that he understood his rights.

They do not intend to read him his rights when he does wake up. BTW he's already been arraigned and charged today, still without Miranda. Yet they say his still has his Miranda rights: he can refuse to talk, and have a lawyer present (who, unless he's just a government stooge, will advise this client to shut up). Which, it seems to me, makes not Mirandizing him not all that useful.

BTW you people who object to the way they shut down Watertown to catch a terrorist who had guns and possibly grenades and bombs...get real.

This would be true... if it were true.

New info:

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -75650157/

Relevant part:

A senior congressional aide said Tsarnaev had asked several times for a lawyer, but that request was ignored since he was being questioned under the public safety exemption to the Miranda rule.

So, failure to read Miranda, denial of right to an attorney, both until a judge arrived and held court in the hospital room. We're off to an amazing start.

[Ifreann]

As you can see, I'm very against terrorists, of course I'm only 15 so what do I know

Very little about the US Constitution would have been my first guess.

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Where on earth is Miranda going?

Wherever she

He. Miranda rights are so called for Ernesto Miranda. Weird that you didn't notice that in reading up about the case...

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Where in the world does the ludicrous idea that only citizens are entitled to due process and other basic protections come from? Whether Tsarnaev is a citizen or not is completely irrelevant.

Wishful thinking is the impression I get.

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They do not intend to read him his rights when he does wake up. BTW he's already been arraigned and charged today, still without Miranda. Yet they say his still has his Miranda rights: he can refuse to talk, and have a lawyer present (who, unless he's just a government stooge, will advise this client to shut up). Which, it seems to me, makes not Mirandizing him not all that useful.

BTW you people who object to the way they shut down Watertown to catch a terrorist who had guns and possibly grenades and bombs...get real.

This would be true... if it were true.

New info:

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -75650157/

Relevant part:

A senior congressional aide said Tsarnaev had asked several times for a lawyer, but that request was ignored since he was being questioned under the public safety exemption to the Miranda rule.

So, failure to read Miranda, denial of right to an attorney, both until a judge arrived and held court in the hospital room. We're off to an amazing start.

Oh lawd, this should make for a fun trial.

[Galloism]

As you can see, I'm very against terrorists, of course I'm only 15 so what do I know

Very little about the US Constitution would have been my first guess.

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Where on earth is Miranda going?

Wherever she

He. Miranda rights are so called for Ernesto Miranda. Weird that you didn't notice that in reading up about the case...

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Where in the world does the ludicrous idea that only citizens are entitled to due process and other basic protections come from? Whether Tsarnaev is a citizen or not is completely irrelevant.

Wishful thinking is the impression I get.

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This would be true... if it were true.

New info:

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -75650157/

Relevant part:



So, failure to read Miranda, denial of right to an attorney, both until a judge arrived and held court in the hospital room. We're off to an amazing start.

Oh lawd, this should make for a fun trial.

What's sad is that, after two days of questioning and denying his right to an attorney, a judge had to show up and read his rights personally, then assign an attorney.

Shit, I was trained to uphold the law and the public when I served, not shit all over it.

I am disappoint.