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Serbia and Kosovo reach EU-brokered landmark accord

Postby The Spiral Future » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:19 pm

Serbia and its former province of Kosovo have reached an EU-brokered accord aimed at normalising relations between the Balkan neighbours.

Under the new deal, Serbs in northern Kosovo will have their own police and appeal court.

Both sides also agreed to not block each other's efforts to seek EU membership.

Kosovo broke away in 2008. While many countries recognise it as an independent country, Serbia does not.

Many minority ethnic Serbs in Kosovo have refused to recognise the authority of the mainly ethnic Albanian government in Pristina, since it unilaterally declared independence five years ago.

Brussels said it would open EU membership talks with Serbia if the country relinquished its de facto control over northern Kosovo.
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Beyond its own police and appeal court, there is none of the autonomy that Serbia had originally been demanding as part of the talks, the BBC's Guy Delaunay reports from the Serbian capital Belgrade.

And there is certainly no recognition of Kosovo's independence by Belgrade, he adds.

However, the agreement should allow both sides to move on with plans for membership of the EU.

Brussels will see it as an important step in normalising relations, which may lead to Serbia getting its much coveted date for the start of EU membership talks, our correspondent says.

The deal was reached after months of tense negotiations between Serbian Prime Minister Ivica Dacic and Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci in Brussels.

"The negotiations have concluded. The text has been initialled by both prime ministers," said the EU's top diplomat, Catherine Ashton, who mediated the talks.

"What we are seeing is a step away from the past and, for both of them, a step closer to Europe."

Meanwhile Mr Thaci said the settlement would help pave the way for both Kosovo and Serbia to join the EU and Nato.

"This agreement will help us heal the wounds of the past if we have the wisdom and the knowledge to implement it in practice," he said.

Earlier this month, Serbia rejected an agreement proposal because the terms did not "guarantee full security and protection of human rights to the Serb people in Kosovo".

Tension between Kosovo's ethnic Albanian majority and remaining ethnic Serbs has led to violence in recent years, notably around customs posts in northern Kosovo.

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Linky : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22222624

Well, peace is always nice and a lack of blocking in regards to the EU means relations won't sour that way. Though actual recognition for Kosovo would be nice.

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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:23 pm

The Spiral Future wrote:Serbia and its former province of Kosovo have reached an EU-brokered accord aimed at normalising relations between the Balkan neighbours.

Finally.
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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:23 pm

Glad to hear it.

Maybe now the hate can abide?
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Postby Petrovsegratsk » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:24 pm

And by Kosovo, you mean the Serbian region currently occupied by angry Albanians who want to take Serbian land from Serbia?

Mmmk.
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Postby Darmen » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:25 pm

Good step in the right direction for both countries. Not sure exactly how well separate police forces will work though.
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Wamitoria wrote:Glad to hear it.

Maybe now the hate can abide?


Don't get ahead of yourself now. Hate lasts a long time, centuries can go by without that vanishing.
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Postby Dulkadar » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:26 pm

Unacceptable, at the very least North Serbia should join back. Else the Als are just going to continue the slow ethnic cleansing

Darmen wrote:Good step in the right direction for both countries. Not sure exactly how well separate police forces will work though.

How it'll work is that the Albies aren't going to be able to burn down Serb villages with impunity anymore
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Darmen wrote:Good step in the right direction for both countries. Not sure exactly how well separate police forces will work though.


As long as they pool evidence and cooperate it should work...will they do that I can't say as yet.
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Wamitoria wrote:Glad to hear it.

Maybe now the hate can abide?


Don't get ahead of yourself now. Hate lasts a long time, centuries can go by without that vanishing.

True.

But the ethnic paranoia in the Balkans is fucking annoying...
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Dulkadar wrote:Unacceptable, at the very least North Serbia should join back. Else the Als are just going to continue the slow ethnic cleansing


Ethnic cleansing?

Why.....may I have evidence?
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Wamitoria wrote:
The Spiral Future wrote:
Don't get ahead of yourself now. Hate lasts a long time, centuries can go by without that vanishing.

True.

But the ethnic paranoia in the Balkans is fucking annoying...


They just need to bare with each others existence, the EU seems to get by doing that.
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The Spiral Future wrote:
Dulkadar wrote:Unacceptable, at the very least North Serbia should join back. Else the Als are just going to continue the slow ethnic cleansing


Ethnic cleansing?

Why.....may I have evidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo
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The Spiral Future wrote:
Dulkadar wrote:Unacceptable, at the very least North Serbia should join back. Else the Als are just going to continue the slow ethnic cleansing


Ethnic cleansing?

Why.....may I have evidence?


Well, an entire region of Serbia was completely overrun by foreigners and the original inhabitants almost completely kicked out, with what few Serbs left in the region in the North.

I'd say that's evidence enough of Albanians trying to create another Albanian state by screwing over the Serbian Slavs.
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Dulkadar wrote:
The Spiral Future wrote:
Ethnic cleansing?

Why.....may I have evidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo


This......while tragic, does not seem to be an organised effort to eliminate the Serbian people. In fact it seems a direct result of wanting independence. Just because it was compared to it doesn't mean it was it.

A more recent example after independence perhaps? An example of ethnic cleansing within Kosovon borders on the Serbian people maybe?
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Petrovsegratsk wrote:
The Spiral Future wrote:
Ethnic cleansing?

Why.....may I have evidence?


Well, an entire region of Serbia was completely overrun by foreigners and the original inhabitants almost completely kicked out, with what few Serbs left in the region in the North.

I'd say that's evidence enough of Albanians trying to create another Albanian state by screwing over the Serbian Slavs.


Well, that would be quite something.....if it was backed up by evidence.
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Postby Camelza » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:34 pm

*sigh* The balkans are such a mess since druze Tito left this world.

..the accord is a good thing if it gets to be respected by both, I hope.

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The Spiral Future wrote:
Petrovsegratsk wrote:
Well, an entire region of Serbia was completely overrun by foreigners and the original inhabitants almost completely kicked out, with what few Serbs left in the region in the North.

I'd say that's evidence enough of Albanians trying to create another Albanian state by screwing over the Serbian Slavs.


Well, that would be quite something.....if it was backed up by evidence.


Years ago Kosovo was populated mainly by Serbs, then an influx of Albanian immigrants come in, and suddenly most of the Serbs MAGICALLY, ARE TRANSPORTED INTO THE NORTHERN PART OF THE REGION, OR OTHER REGIONS OF THE COUNTRY, and even now, they continue to push Serbians out of Serbian land because of their hatred for the Serbians, and South Slavs in general.

Open your God damn eyes, people, a 10 year old could figure this out.
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Postby Dulkadar » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:37 pm

The Spiral Future wrote:


This......while tragic, does not seem to be an organised effort to eliminate the Serbian people. In fact it seems a direct result of wanting independence. Just because it was compared to it doesn't mean it was it.

A more recent example after independence perhaps? An example of ethnic cleansing within Kosovon borders on the Serbian people maybe?

*forcing people out of their homes based on ethnicity*
*Not ethnic cleansing*

Keep on the hatred, but anyway:

More recent example:
http://nsnbc.me/2012/06/28/bloody-thursday-in-kosovo-albanian-mob-and-police-savagely-attacked-serbian-children-and-youth/

Basically all of these lads:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

NATO and police complicity:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/serb-population-face-attacks-in-kosovo-while-nato-watches/5319961
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Postby Scholencia » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:38 pm

Petrovsegratsk wrote:
The Spiral Future wrote:
Well, that would be quite something.....if it was backed up by evidence.


Years ago Kosovo was populated mainly by Serbs, then an influx of Albanian immigrants come in, and suddenly most of the Serbs MAGICALLY, ARE TRANSPORTED INTO THE NORTHERN PART OF THE REGION, OR OTHER REGIONS OF THE COUNTRY, and even now, they continue to push Serbians out of Serbian land because of their hatred for the Serbians, and South Slavs in general.

Open your God damn eyes, people, a 10 year old could figure this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... rld_War_II

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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:39 pm

Yes, the KLA are assholes. Yes, NATO isn't doing everything in its power to protect civilians.

No, that doesn't mean that normalizing relations between Kosovo and Serbia won't stop some of these problems.
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Postby Dulkadar » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:40 pm

Wamitoria wrote:Yes, the KLA are assholes. Yes, NATO isn't doing everything in its power to protect civilians.

No, that doesn't mean that normalizing relations between Kosovo and Serbia won't stop some of these problems.

Yes, Serbia should just smile and nod while their people are being brutalized, eh?
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Postby Petrovsegratsk » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:41 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Petrovsegratsk wrote:
Years ago Kosovo was populated mainly by Serbs, then an influx of Albanian immigrants come in, and suddenly most of the Serbs MAGICALLY, ARE TRANSPORTED INTO THE NORTHERN PART OF THE REGION, OR OTHER REGIONS OF THE COUNTRY, and even now, they continue to push Serbians out of Serbian land because of their hatred for the Serbians, and South Slavs in general.

Open your God damn eyes, people, a 10 year old could figure this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... rld_War_II


I said 'years ago', I never said how many, genius. :palm:
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:42 pm

Serbia is stupid to do this. They are giving up their sovereignty by wanting to join the EU (mistake #1) and they are showing weakness by giving up Kosovo (mistake #2).

They will lose Kosovo, only a matter of time because they are being too weak. Of course the anti-Serbian Christian, Muslim-hugging UN/NATO will be happy with this. This process has been going on for 20 years.

How can nations want to join the EU after seeing the disasters in Cyprus, Greece, and Spain? Not to mention increased immigration by terrorist supporters thanks to a liberal EU decision making panel in Brussels. The EU is not a guarantee to success.
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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:43 pm

Dulkadar wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Yes, the KLA are assholes. Yes, NATO isn't doing everything in its power to protect civilians.

No, that doesn't mean that normalizing relations between Kosovo and Serbia won't stop some of these problems.

Yes, Serbia should just smile and nod while their people are being brutalized, eh?

No. I'm saying that Serbia having diplomatic relations with Kosovo will allow them to put pressure on the Kosovo government to prevent ethnic cleansing and pograms.

Just as well, Serbian areas having their own police forces will definitely deter KLA actions against majority-Serb areas.
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Dulkadar wrote:
The Spiral Future wrote:
This......while tragic, does not seem to be an organised effort to eliminate the Serbian people. In fact it seems a direct result of wanting independence. Just because it was compared to it doesn't mean it was it.

A more recent example after independence perhaps? An example of ethnic cleansing within Kosovon borders on the Serbian people maybe?

*forcing people out of their homes based on ethnicity*
*Not ethnic cleansing*

Keep on the hatred, but anyway:

More recent example:
http://nsnbc.me/2012/06/28/bloody-thursday-in-kosovo-albanian-mob-and-police-savagely-attacked-serbian-children-and-youth/

Basically all of these lads:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

NATO and police complicity:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/serb-population-face-attacks-in-kosovo-while-nato-watches/5319961


Your wikipedia article -

The Kosovo Liberation Army (abbreviated KLA; Albanian: Ushtria Çlirimtare e Kosovës—UÇK) was an ethnic-Albanian paramilitary organization which sought the separation of Kosovo from Yugoslavia during the 1990s.

Its campaign against Yugoslav security forces and ethnic Serbs from Kosovo precipitated a major Yugoslav military crackdown which led to the Kosovo War of 1998–1999. Military intervention by Yugoslav security forces led by Slobodan Milošević and Serb militia within Kosovo in response to diverse operations led by the KLA prompted an exodus of Kosovar Albanians/Serbs and a refugee crisis that eventually caused NATO to intervene militarily in order to stop what was widely identified as an ongoing campaign of ethnic cleansing.[6][7] Later the United Nations International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) legally found that Serbia "use[d] violence and terror to force a significant number of Kosovo Albanians from their homes and across the borders, in order for the state authorities to maintain control over Kosovo... This campaign was conducted by army and Interior Ministry police forces (MUP) under the control of FRY and Serbian authorities, who were responsible for mass expulsions of Kosovo Albanian civilians from their homes, as well as incidents of killings, sexual assault, and the intentional destruction of mosques."[8]

The conflict was ended by an "almost-imposed" negotiated agreement that requested the UN to take over the administration and political process, including local institutional building and determine the final status of the region.

The United States then cultivated diplomatic relationships with the KLA leaders.[9][10] In 1999 the KLA was officially disbanded and their members entered other armed groups such as various Albanian Macedonian rebels,[11] the UCPMB in the Preševo Valley region[2] and UNMIK instituted NGOs within Kosovo such as the Kosovo Protection Corps (in accordance with UNSC resolution 1244 which required the establishment of a civilian emergency protection body to replace the former KLA) and Kosovo Police Force.[12] Some of the Kosovo Liberation Army leadership opted to enter politics, and by taking advantage of the 1999 confusion they still lead the Albanian faction of the partially recognized Kosovar government.[12]

Once again, a racist mob doesn't equate to ethic cleansing, ethic cleansing is an organised effort to drive a population out of a territory. A mob by definition is not organised. I know this mob are a bunch of racists but it still isn't the same thing. Nato's lack of action is deplorable I agree.
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