Why was Hitler REALLY hating Jews?

[Odhinnia]

id like a body count on that 6 million number. Oh wait.. you cant count ashes. where does that number come from anyways.

[The Black Forrest]

Jews were viewed as subhuman because of the various, well documented, they have committed through out history. Along with their documented tendency to be underhanded back stabbers. If one takes an unbiased look at the past and current events, they can see where these people were coming from. A Jew isn't a bad thing, Allanea counts as a Jewish person that is also a somewhat normal guy that I wouldn't want to see gassed. A Zionist, on the other hand, deserves a spot in a mass grave.

Sources?

I don't know if they are still out there, but look to youtube for some of Goebbels propaganda films about Jewish culture.

As I watched them I was surprised at finding myself having negative emotions.

The guy was a fracken master at propaganda.

Have you read Mein Kampf?

[Linker Niederrhein]

I don't know if they are still out there, but look to youtube for some of Goebbels propaganda films about Jewish culture.

As I watched them I was surprised at finding myself having negative emotions.

The guy was a fracken master at propaganda.

Have you read Mein Kampf?

Falling for propaganda doesn't make the propaganda-makers geniuses. It just means that you aren't the brightest child under the sun. Tabloids and assorted TV stations achieve exactly the same.

[Bormanico]

The hate for jews and the vast conspiracy theories were already there before Hitler. All he did was take the bandwaggons driving seat.

Theres a really good book that touches this, The occult roots of Nazism.

[The Black Forrest]

I don't know if they are still out there, but look to youtube for some of Goebbels propaganda films about Jewish culture.

As I watched them I was surprised at finding myself having negative emotions.

The guy was a fracken master at propaganda.

Have you read Mein Kampf?

Falling for propaganda doesn't make the propaganda-makers geniuses. It just means that you aren't the brightest child under the sun. Tabloids and assorted TV stations achieve exactly the same.

Ahh no they are not the same. Before you offer your "opinion" you might want to take a look. Articles about marrying aliens and giving birth to big foot are just a tad different.

Propaganda does work and often rather smart people fall for it all the time. Unless of course you can offer evidence that the average German of the time was a simpleton.....

[Maurepas]

I don't know if they are still out there, but look to youtube for some of Goebbels propaganda films about Jewish culture.

As I watched them I was surprised at finding myself having negative emotions.

The guy was a fracken master at propaganda.

Have you read Mein Kampf?

Falling for propaganda doesn't make the propaganda-makers geniuses. It just means that you aren't the brightest child under the sun. Tabloids and assorted TV stations achieve exactly the same.

Ahh no they are not the same. Before you offer your "opinion" you might want to take a look. Articles about marrying aliens and giving birth to big foot are just a tad different.

Propaganda does work and often rather smart people fall for it all the time. Unless of course you can offer evidence that the average German of the time was a simpleton.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria

[Ralkovia]

Many people would say Adolf Hitler was just crazy and hated Jews. However if yiu think back to Hitlers childhood then you will know that his mother was indeed sick. When she died he found out that his mothers doctor happened to be Jewish. This could of easily caused him To hate Jewish people.

Another reason is that quite frankly he didn't actually hate Jews. Maybe he realized that the German people wanted somebody to blame for all bad things so he chose a minority group which happened to be Jews to blame because nobody would stand up for them and other Germans would think "Oh look he found someone to blame let's join him!"

Therefore Hitler was not just "Crazy" and there was phyciatric reasons. Or like I said he mght of not really hated them and just did it so he could obtain power.

Actually no, he sent a letter to said Jewish doctor thanking him for doing his best to help his mother. The Jewish doctor billed him for all his work which came out to 10% Hitler was angered by this and this might or might not have started the stereotype of Jews to Hitler.

[Bormanico]

Of course Propaganda works. Do you seriously think the German population knew about the exterminations? Most were completely obvlivious. Hitler fed them "They hate our empire" (Sounds familiar?) lines, and the people who didn't know any better ate it up.

Bush citing the terrorrists hated America for its "freedom" is yet another example of modern propaganda which many people ate up.

EDIT: Also, the germans of the time were actually considered among the smartest, more educated of Europe. This was mainly due to their reputation of literature lovers. Funny enough, this was how the anti semitism spread into various areas (religion, politics, mysticism, industry.)

[Linker Niederrhein]

Ahh no they are not the same. Before you offer your "opinion" you might want to take a look. Articles about marrying aliens and giving birth to big foot are just a tad different.

Propaganda does work and often rather smart people fall for it all the time. Unless of course you can offer evidence that the average German of the time was a simpleton.....

Sensationalist tabloids never tell you about the evil of immigrants, then? Never about the endless hordes of pedophiles stalking your children on the street? Never about lazy unemployeds sucking up your taxes or dangerous foreign countries sponsoring terrorism?

Oh wait. They do.

Huh. That's exactly what the nazi propaganda did as well. Who'd have thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria

Win.

[Linker Niederrhein]

Of course Propaganda works. Do you seriously think the German population knew about the exterminations?

Yes, actually. Oh, they didn't wander the gas chambers, obviously. But they saw people in their neighborhood vanish. They got letters from the front, their kids in the SS got holidays from their duty... Word gets around.

Oh, they didn't know the scale of it, not for certain. They could believe, they could tell themselves that those were 'Isolated incidents'. They could look away when the windowless trains rolled past them, knowing that speaking up was akin to a death sentence for themselves, too.

But being completely oblivious? Bullshit.

Personally, I tend to imagine it rather like the reaction of Americans to the accusations of torture et al in the CIA & army. 'Oh, only an isolated incident.' - 'Oh, they were surely guilty of something horrible.' - 'Oh, you're exaggerating.'

It's not on the same scale, of course, but the psychology behind the reactions shown by the common people (tm) ought to be pretty similar, I suspect.

[Bormanico]

Of course Propaganda works. Do you seriously think the German population knew about the exterminations?

Yes, actually. Oh, they didn't wander the gas chambers, obviously. But they saw people in their neighborhood vanish. They got letters from the front, their kids in the SS got holidays from their duty... Word gets around.

Oh, they didn't know the scale of it, not for certain. They could believe, they could tell themselves that those were 'Isolated incidents'. They could look away when the windowless trains rolled past them, knowing that speaking up was akin to a death sentence for themselves, too.

But being completely oblivious? Bullshit.

Personally, I tend to imagine it rather like the reaction of Americans to the accusations of torture et al in the CIA & army. 'Oh, only an isolated incident.' - 'Oh, they were surely guilty of something horrible.' - 'Oh, you're exaggerating.'

It's not on the same scale, of course, but the psychology behind the reactions shown by the common people (tm) ought to be pretty similar, I suspect.

They were far more oblivious than many of us would like to believe. The government had control of everything and could justify any "imprisonment" because they were doing it to everyone, not just the jews.

Also, how were the germans of the time supposed to know jewish people were NOT "evil". Their press, literature, religion and business was filled with anti semitism. It would have taken unbelievable ammount of hindsight in such a (socially) backwards era to abstract from the popular opinion. People just didn't know any better. It's far worse that people believe that the terrorists hate America because of its freedom because theres vast historical evidence of the contrary.

[The Black Forrest]

Ahh no they are not the same. Before you offer your "opinion" you might want to take a look. Articles about marrying aliens and giving birth to big foot are just a tad different.

Propaganda does work and often rather smart people fall for it all the time. Unless of course you can offer evidence that the average German of the time was a simpleton.....

Sensationalist tabloids never tell you about the evil of immigrants, then? Never about the endless hordes of pedophiles stalking your children on the street? Never about lazy unemployeds sucking up your taxes or dangerous foreign countries sponsoring terrorism?

Oh wait. They do.

You can show the supermarket tabloids affect national policy?

Huh. That's exactly what the nazi propaganda did as well. Who'd have thought.

Fascinating. Guess the politicians are wasting money with TV. They should just put their claims in the star.

Sorry; they are not the same.

[Linker Niederrhein]

They were far more oblivious than many of us would like to believe. The government had control of everything and could justify any "imprisonment" because they were doing it to everyone, not just the jews.

Also, how were the germans of the time supposed to know jewish people were NOT "evil". Their press, literature, religion and business was filled with anti semitism. It would have taken unbelievable ammount of hindsight in such a (socially) backwards era to abstract from the popular opinion. People just didn't know any better. It's far worse that people believe that the terrorists hate America because of its freedom because theres vast historical evidence of the contrary.

Oh, I see you're a scholar of Germany, that's why you're so well-informed of its < 10% literacy rate in the 1930s, and the entire 18th and 19th century apparently didn't happen.

in b4 'What's that got to do with anything?', since I've no doubt that you can't resist showing off your lack of a clue and historical context.

[Linker Niederrhein]

You can show the supermarket tabloids affect national policy?

I'm pretty sure that with propaganda, it's the other way around - it doesn't make policy, it justifies policy.

Fascinating. Guess the politicians are wasting money with TV. They should just put their claims in the star.

Sorry; they are not the same.

You're saying that nazi propaganda didn't single out minorities as scapegoats, then?

Source?

[Bormanico]

They were far more oblivious than many of us would like to believe. The government had control of everything and could justify any "imprisonment" because they were doing it to everyone, not just the jews.

Also, how were the germans of the time supposed to know jewish people were NOT "evil". Their press, literature, religion and business was filled with anti semitism. It would have taken unbelievable ammount of hindsight in such a (socially) backwards era to abstract from the popular opinion. People just didn't know any better. It's far worse that people believe that the terrorists hate America because of its freedom because theres vast historical evidence of the contrary.

Oh, I see you're a scholar of Germany, that's why you're so well-informed of its < 10% literacy rate in the 1930s, and the entire 18th and 19th century apparently didn't happen.

in b4 'What's that got to do with anything?', since I've no doubt that you can't resist showing off your lack of a clue and historical context.

Why so dou- err, hostile? I'm no german scholar by any means but everything i've read did portrait the germans as i mentioned. Even if there was <10% in literacy rates that means next to nothing without knowing how other countries were doing. Not only that, if you are right, you are actually proving my point. Way to stab logic in the eye.

[Linker Niederrhein]

Why so dou- err, hostile? I'm no german scholar by any means but everything i've read did portrait the germans as i mentioned. Even if there was <10% in literacy rates that means next to nothing without knowing how other countries were doing. Not only that, if you are right, you are actually proving my point. Way to stab logic in the eye.

Honestly, at this point, I'm just loling. Looks like your literacy is the problem here.

Which, admittedly, explains why you seem to believe in the omnipotence of the media (And hence, propaganda). If you took that post of mine at face value, yeah, I can see you doing the same with Der Stürmer.

[The Black Forrest]

You can show the supermarket tabloids affect national policy?

I'm pretty sure that with propaganda, it's the other way around - it doesn't make policy, it justifies policy.

Fascinating. Guess the politicians are wasting money with TV. They should just put their claims in the star.

Sorry; they are not the same.

You're saying that nazi propaganda didn't single out minorities as scapegoats, then?

Source?

That I don't know. The last one I remember skimming in the line mentioned Jesus in a Potato Chip.

[Bormanico]

Why so dou- err, hostile? I'm no german scholar by any means but everything i've read did portrait the germans as i mentioned. Even if there was <10% in literacy rates that means next to nothing without knowing how other countries were doing. Not only that, if you are right, you are actually proving my point. Way to stab logic in the eye.

Honestly, at this point, I'm just loling. Looks like your literacy is the problem here.

Which, admittedly, explains why you seem to believe in the omnipotence of the media (And hence, propaganda). If you took that post of mine at face value, yeah, I can see you doing the same with Der Stürmer.

Ad hominem attacks and acknowledging the existence of Der Stürmer. You must be an intelectual or some shit. (I'd go with the latter).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

On this subject, there has been a lot of speculation. Why did Hitler hate the Jews so much? Truth of the matter is, I don't think he even stated his reasons. Theories on why include that his mother died of cancer and the doctor who treated her was Jewish. Another one is that this was the race that killed Jesus. Another one states that he feared that the Jews were controlling the economy at the time and he had to stop them.

if hitler were the only one to hate the jews his hatred wouldnt have mattered, no one would have gone along with his genocidal plans.

but europe at the time was very anti-semitic. hatred of the jews was a long standing problem that came to a head in nazi germany.

I know Ash, but since the OP was asking about Hitler only, I just posted some of the theories I've heard that could explain his hatred of the Jews.

Anti-semitism in Europe was a centuries' old problem. Strasbourg, in the 1200s, thousands of Jews were burnt at the stake, blamed for the Black Death that plagued the city. Fast-forward, Spain in the 1400s. Queen Isabella I threw them out of the country (same as the Moors). It was either covert to Catholicism or you would be killed or exiled from Spain. And just like that, there are countless anecdotes (historical ones) that document Europe's intolerance and hatred of the Jews.

[Epicnopolis]

Does it matter how he did it? No.

THE FACT IS HE DID IT.

[Almagarde]

Hitler hated Jews because we needed him to hate Jews...

He was exposed to a black hole weapon so as to exterminate his entire family line and rewrite history so that he was a genocidal nutter. We can prove this because when you exterminate a family line you worlk your way back to the point where you shoot the father in the testicle (or remove the testicle surgically) thus eliminating that future family line...Thus the perpetrator of the crime was the guy who shot him in the testicle.

[Risottia]

Another reason is that quite frankly he didn't actually hate Jews. Maybe he realized that the German people wanted somebody to blame

Do wiki "scapegoat" and "racism".
It's more than a "maybe", you know.

[Risottia]

Anti-semitism in Europe was a centuries' old problem. Strasbourg, in the 1200s, thousands of Jews were burnt at the stake, blamed for the Black Death that plagued the city. Fast-forward, Spain in the 1400s. Queen Isabella I threw them out of the country (same as the Moors). It was either covert to Catholicism or you would be killed or exiled from Spain. And just like that, there are countless anecdotes (historical ones) that document Europe's intolerance and hatred of the Jews.

We could also remember that:
"pogrom" is a Russian word for "a massacre of Jews"
"ghetto" comes from Ghetto (one of the islands Venice is built upon), where Venetian Jews were forced to live, and to stay within after sunset
the Protocols - a faux created by the Tsarist political police
the Dreyfuss case - exposed by many French intellectuals as example of using antisemitism to find a scapegoat
...

Interestingly enough, Germany was one of the less antisemite countries in Europe until the rise of the NSDAP.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Have you read Mein Kampf?

I read the first fifty pages or so before getting bored out of my wits.

I saved it for another day.

[Risottia]

Have you read Mein Kampf?

I read the first fifty pages or so before getting bored out of my wits.

I saved it for another day.

I finished it and I must say I'm surprised that such an evident case of delirium has had so much influence over so many people. Even intelligent people, I mean.
Really, it's just an amount of insane ramblings linked by faulty logic.