Gay marriages....now what about siblings parents or animals?

[Llamalandia]

The people that say "government out of marriage" are usually the ones who are against certain types of marriage.

I am a LGBT libertarian and I in no way resemble that remark.

I also subscribe to a fairly libertarian mindset and don't really have any problem with gay marriage per se though I can empathize with the slippery slope argument to some extent because I'm definitely against legitimizing incest which I believe one could also construct an equal rights argument for (though I fail to see how in any logical universe gay marriage leads to bestial marriage just doesn't make any sense).

[Dakini]

Why do people insist on having the state fund pointless couples?

Married couples do not get state funding.

In fact, married couples have to pay for all the paperwork.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

The fact that you're not only failing to address any specific points, but using the words "misandryst" and "feminazi" (in addition to your earlier issues) suggests that you are definitely a misogynist.

No i'm merely very pissed off and fully willing to use any and all labels to great effect where appropriate. I don't believe all or even most feminists are FEMINAZIs but I believe when you harp on one specific point that's really rather tangential to the discussion at hand "which is marriage is sacred and divorce is bad" then I start to suspect you're quite hyper sensitive about something. Had I said Oh yeah well in my imagined scenario it could only have been a woman coming on to married man because only women are immoral harlots (or something to that effect) then fine sure the misogynist label would be entirely appropriate but, as I said any gender bias in my scenario was inadvertent at worst and that I would happily correct it upon request. Instead all that's happened is everyone has called me a misogynist and I don't appreciate it and feel quite rightly indignant at the accusation and am lashing out appropriately.

I've only had years of experience with NSG, so my opinion may be pointless, but I know how easy it is to get pissed off when thoughts are flying around like wombats tangled in barbed wire, BUT (and this is just my personal opinion that I don't always follow), I find it is much better to approach these kinds of threads with an open-mind and a relaxed attitude. When you get pissed off your brain overheats and, instead of making a valid point that supports your argument where others might relate, or at the very least respect your opinion, you (and I use "you" in a generalized manner) end up throwing about insults that end up drawing in even more heated responses. Then someone gets the ban hammer, or something... and nobody wants that.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I think this is the name given by some people to women and men who ascribe to feminism

I'm pretty sure it was basically just a "feminists are worse than Hitler" thing. No feminist identifies this way and it's almost never actually applied to anyone especially radical because radical feminists are pretty rare and the term is used pretty liberally.

Sorry, my internet had a conniption fit when I edited the post.

Yeah, I figured. The word "feminazi" is totally fucking meaningless anyway. I mean, it's basically "you're worse than hitler" in a new form.

I think this is the name given by some people to women and men who ascribe to feminism more, militantly? I think.

IN all honesty, what the origin of this is, I don't really know.

That's the entirety of the post, post-edit.

[Individuality-ness]

I think Ruth Limbaugh made it up to insult women who have opinions that didn't fit in with his WASP neoconservative narrative.

Lol its Rush not "Ruth"

I make mistakes, obviously.

but yes I believe that is who originated the term though I'm not certain.

I found it on a Wikipedia page about the term.

Again I have no problem with feminism itself when appropriately critique gender double standards but for the millionth time I was not intentionally trying to imply such standards in my vignette.

Yes you did. You went out of your way to call your scenario girl a nympho and you chose not to give her a name. The "good girl" got a name. The "bad girl" didn't. Why is that, hmm?

Feminazi is a term popularized by radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh and in use since the early 1990s. It is a portmanteau of the nouns feminist and Nazi. The online version of the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines the term as used in a "usually disparaging" manner, to describe "an extreme or militant feminist".[1] The term is used pejoratively[1][2][3][4] by some U.S. conservatives to criticize feminists that they perceive as extreme.[5] from wikipedia.

There we go.

[Llamalandia]

No i'm merely very pissed off and fully willing to use any and all labels to great effect where appropriate.

Are you angry because I challenged your usage of words? Or are you angry that I'm espousing an opinion?

I don't believe all or even most feminists are FEMINAZIs but I believe when you harp on one specific point that's really rather tangential to the discussion at hand "which is marriage is sacred and divorce is bad" then I start to suspect you're quite hyper sensitive about something.

It's called "calling out someone for saying something stupid and offensive". Learn it.

Had I said Oh yeah well in my imagined scenario it could only have been a woman coming on to married man because only women are immoral harlots

Because "nymphomaniac" doesn't mean sex addict at all, hm? *roll*

(or something to that effect) then fine sure the misogynist label would be entirely appropriate

It totally was.

but, as I said any gender bias in my scenario was inadvertent at worst and that I would happily correct it upon request.

Inadvertent? You went out of your way to describe scenario girl as a "nympho". You didn't even bother giving that girl a name.

I can write scenarios too. Unlike you, I do it in a way so that 1. it's gender neutral and 2. I don't shame anyone or otherwise say "oh, that one's obviously a nympho" in my scenarios. Perhaps you should learn how to do that sometime.

Instead all that's happened is everyone has called me a misogynist

You are.

and I don't appreciate it

"WAHH, SOMEONE CALLED ME A MISOGYNIST AND SAID THAT I CAN'T CALL WOMEN NYMPHOS!!!11!!"

and feel quite rightly indignant at the accusation and am lashing out appropriately.

No you're not.

First of all I didn't call all or even any real women a nympho nor would i (unless it was actually true) in real life. Also did you even read the description of FEMINAZI i posted I believe you have been quite extreme in your insistence that I am somehow misogynistic for unintentionally constructing the scenario such that the woman is the "bad guy ( bad gal I guess)".

[Person012345]

Lol its Rush not "Ruth"

I make mistakes, obviously.

By changing his name from "rush" to "ruth" (a feminine name) this is just more proof of your pathological desire to erase men from everything!

[Llamalandia]

Lol its Rush not "Ruth"

I make mistakes, obviously.

but yes I believe that is who originated the term though I'm not certain.

I found it on a Wikipedia page about the term.

Again I have no problem with feminism itself when appropriately critique gender double standards but for the millionth time I was not intentionally trying to imply such standards in my vignette.

Yes you did. You went out of your way to call your scenario girl a nympho and you chose not to give her a name. The "good girl" got a name. The "bad girl" didn't. Why is that, hmm?

Feminazi is a term popularized by radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh and in use since the early 1990s. It is a portmanteau of the nouns feminist and Nazi. The online version of the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines the term as used in a "usually disparaging" manner, to describe "an extreme or militant feminist".[1] The term is used pejoratively[1][2][3][4] by some U.S. conservatives to criticize feminists that they perceive as extreme.[5] from wikipedia.

There we go.

But had the man in the scenario been hitting on a married woman I would have appropriately said that was a total horny dick. It just happened that I constructed the scenario the way I did, if you want me to change i will be happy to make it so the male is bad and the woman is virtuous would that be more to your liking.

[Llamalandia]

I make mistakes, obviously.

By changing his name from "rush" to "ruth" (a feminine name) this is just more proof of your pathological desire to erase men from everything!

no in fairness i believe this was merely a typing error and not some deep seated pathology but that is kinda funny now that you point it out

[AiliailiA]

Lol its Rush not "Ruth" but yes I believe that is who originated the term though I'm not certain. Again I have no problem with feminism itself when appropriately critique gender double standards but for the millionth time I was not intentionally trying to imply such standards in my vignette.

Even the most earnestly-worded denial fails when followed by a wink.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Why do people insist on having the state fund pointless couples?

Married couples do not get state funding.

In fact, married couples have to pay for all the paperwork.

This is quite true. When my husband and I were in the process, we had to pay for the marriage license which was around $50 or so and assorted paperwork ourselves. The state doesn't pay for any of it.

[Llamalandia]

Lol its Rush not "Ruth" but yes I believe that is who originated the term though I'm not certain. Again I have no problem with feminism itself when appropriately critique gender double standards but for the millionth time I was not intentionally trying to imply such standards in my vignette.

Even the most earnestly-worded denial fails when followed by a wink.

Wait you are kidding right its the difference between a shift key for crying out loud.

[Individuality-ness]

Are you angry because I challenged your usage of words? Or are you angry that I'm espousing an opinion?

It's called "calling out someone for saying something stupid and offensive". Learn it.

Because "nymphomaniac" doesn't mean sex addict at all, hm? *roll*

It totally was.

Inadvertent? You went out of your way to describe scenario girl as a "nympho". You didn't even bother giving that girl a name.

I can write scenarios too. Unlike you, I do it in a way so that 1. it's gender neutral and 2. I don't shame anyone or otherwise say "oh, that one's obviously a nympho" in my scenarios. Perhaps you should learn how to do that sometime.

You are.

"WAHH, SOMEONE CALLED ME A MISOGYNIST AND SAID THAT I CAN'T CALL WOMEN NYMPHOS!!!11!!"

No you're not.

First of all I didn't call all or even any real women a nympho nor would i (unless it was actually true) in real life.

Does that matter? Like, at all?

You wrote up a scenario in which your antagonist was described as a cute female nympho. You did it intentionally, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered adding "who is obviously a nympho" to her description. That is misogynistic.

Also did you even read the description of FEMINAZI i posted

I've read it way before you looked it up on Wikipedia. I've also been called a feminazi before by other users on this board because I'm outspoken about my beliefs.

I believe you have been quite extreme in your insistence

So I'm not allowed to call someone out for what I see is inappropriate word choice?

that I am somehow misogynistic for unintentionally constructing the scenario such that the woman is the "bad guy ( bad gal I guess)".

Again, it was more your choice of words (although why were both attempted "cheaters" women, hm?).

Although it would have been better had you used "person A" and "person B", rather than "cute girl' and "married man" as the speakers, as that would have been more gender neutral.

[Individuality-ness]

I make mistakes, obviously.


I found it on a Wikipedia page about the term.


Yes you did. You went out of your way to call your scenario girl a nympho and you chose not to give her a name. The "good girl" got a name. The "bad girl" didn't. Why is that, hmm?


There we go.

But had the man in the scenario been hitting on a married woman I would have appropriately said that was a total horny dick. It just happened that I constructed the scenario the way I did, if you want me to change i will be happy to make it so the male is bad and the woman is virtuous would that be more to your liking.

No, I would rather you remove the "obviously a nympho" remark in your post at the very least.

[Llamalandia]

Married couples do not get state funding.

In fact, married couples have to pay for all the paperwork.

This is quite true. When my husband and I were in the process, we had to pay for the marriage license which was around $50 or so and assorted paperwork ourselves. The state doesn't pay for any of it.

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

[Pillea]

This is quite true. When my husband and I were in the process, we had to pay for the marriage license which was around $50 or so and assorted paperwork ourselves. The state doesn't pay for any of it.

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

And as I've inquired for the third time now, why not?
What do you have against divorce?

[Anachronous Rex]

This is quite true. When my husband and I were in the process, we had to pay for the marriage license which was around $50 or so and assorted paperwork ourselves. The state doesn't pay for any of it.

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

What exactly is it about divorce that makes it the most terrible of all possible outcomes, in your mind?

Because I have you down as honestly advocating the near total destruction of marriage, just to prevent divorce... something which, frankly, isn't that bad.

[Llamalandia]

But had the man in the scenario been hitting on a married woman I would have appropriately said that was a total horny dick. It just happened that I constructed the scenario the way I did, if you want me to change i will be happy to make it so the male is bad and the woman is virtuous would that be more to your liking.

No, I would rather you remove the "obviously a nympho" remark in your post at the very least.

Done. It now reads as "a bit of a nympho extremely horny" happy now. Can we stop calling each other names friend?

[Individuality-ness]

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

What exactly is it about divorce that makes it the most terrible of all possible outcomes, in your mind?

Because I have you down as honestly advocating the near total destruction of marriage, just to prevent divorce... something which, frankly, isn't that bad.

Divorce doesn't even affect anyone outside the immediate family anyhow. It's not my business if some stranger decides to divorce their spouse. It's not my business if a friend gets a divorce. It doesn't even affect me in any significant way (if at all).

[Grainne Ni Malley]

This is quite true. When my husband and I were in the process, we had to pay for the marriage license which was around $50 or so and assorted paperwork ourselves. The state doesn't pay for any of it.

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

Why shouldn't a couple be allowed to divorce? It is not ideal for a marriage to fall apart and both parties should put all their effort into saving a marriage if at all possible, but when a marriage completely fails there is nothing worse than being forced to stay together. That's how people get murdered, you know.

Also, the price of $50 is not the point, the point is that the state didn't pay it. The couple did.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This is quite true. When my husband and I were in the process, we had to pay for the marriage license which was around $50 or so and assorted paperwork ourselves. The state doesn't pay for any of it.

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

Ok, I must ask because your English is confusing but, do you think I can infer from you saying 'useless couples' or however the fuck you worded that, as 'divorced'?

[Individuality-ness]

No, I would rather you remove the "obviously a nympho" remark in your post at the very least.

Done. It now reads as "a bit of a nympho extremely horny" happy now. Can we stop calling each other names friend?

I wish you had just removed it, instead of replacing it with something else that implies that the speaker is desperate for sex, but that's at least acceptable.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

Why shouldn't a couple be allowed to divorce? It is not ideal for a marriage to fall apart and both parties should put all their effort into saving a marriage if at all possible, but when a marriage completely fails there is nothing worse than being forced to stay together. That's how people get murdered, you know.

Also, the price of $50 is not the point, the point is that the state didn't pay it. The couple did.

And then of course, there's this very valid question.

[Llamalandia]

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

What exactly is it about divorce that makes it the most terrible of all possible outcomes, in your mind?

Because I have you down as honestly advocating the near total destruction of marriage, just to prevent divorce... something which, frankly, isn't that bad.

I'm not entirely sure but as a child I always figured if my parents tried to divorce I would totally flip out either run way from home or something. Also I believe now that it weakens the institution of marriage for those who do it in what I believe is the historically correct way (i.e. staying married until death).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes but my whole point is you shouldn't even have been allowed to divorce at all in first place! and $50 bucks and some paper work is hardly a high (or even nearly commensurate) price to pay.

Why shouldn't a couple be allowed to divorce? It is not ideal for a marriage to fall apart and both parties should put all their effort into saving a marriage if at all possible, but when a marriage completely fails there is nothing worse than being forced to stay together. That's how people get murdered, you know.

Also, the price of $50 is not the point, the point is that the state didn't pay it. The couple did.

Exactly. It is not the price, but that the state didn't fund anything. The cost came out, however small, from the couple's pockets.